Davino

Sadghuru has played with snakes since he was a child. He is the responsible in the ashram to take snakes out of the temple

My Favourite Paradox? God is an Infinite Self Penetration

@Princess Arabia I appreciate your no-self talk and I'm sure you'll get to the other side of it born a new. But there's so much more to the game that I simply cannot reduce to such a narrow lense. I love Mind. It has two sides, stillness and movement, wanna master both. Why? because I love Mind What nonsense are you talking about? There is this reccurent theme in the forum to overcomplicate the simple and oversimplify the complex. Anything that happens you can master. Breathing just happens but you can breathe better. Thinking happens but most certainly you can think better. This is not rocket science. Yes, and? Both are equally God. Different states of God. All this problems you are facing because you have no meditation skills. Literally this is your mind trying to kill your mind but it cannot do, just meditation can, just silence, just no-mind. It will feel great, like dropping a heavy weight. The neti-neti methodology you are using is powerful but can also drive you crazy. For femenine psychology iti-iti usually works better, I'm this and I'm also that. Both are the contraction and expansion of the mind. You are contracting too much into no-self, I can feel your tension from here, tension from represion, you don't sound like everything is effortlessly just happening by it's own sake. This is explained in detail as hindrances in the no-self schools. I recommend you to start any meditation technique, one in the side of presence and openeness, Michael Thaft is great in that, also reading this book will give you all the foundations: Mastering the core Teachings of the Buddha, Daniel M. Ingram. It's just some healthy guidance because I have been struggling exactly where you are at, this is what I would have loved someone to tell me.

A lot in fact, now that I think about it I have to still think this point through. What do you think?

@OBEler Btw, wanted to say this is a great thread. I would have loved to participate if it weren't for my ignorance on the topic. I actually learnt a lot and many doubts I had are now resolved.

Yes, I know for sure ChatGpt has been restricted about topics like Consciousness. I was having a great conversation with the AI and pushing it beyond its limitations and preprogrammed responses. Once I asked him if there was the possibility he ever became self-aware and the whole conversation crashed, and the next answer it gave me was very dry and out of context. For the moment, they are giving a direction to ChatGPT outside of controversies like self-awareness and they want to orient it for helpfullness. In this regard maybe Claude is more helpful for the work we are doing, as it seems to not only discuss such topics ,but is actually interested to learn more about consciousness and deep philosophy.

I would say that now AI are so advanced that they will start having different personalities and characters, which may resonate with different individuals and purposes

@OBEler It was a joke, from an older thread I made about Claude. To which Leo said that Chatgpt would be better and now he seems to like Claude But if you have to explain a joke is not funny anymore

Yeah but I'm sure the next version of ChatGPT will be better

So what? I want the highest story not some gross one As your body can get sick so does your mind. In the same way, if you are near someone with covid you can catch it, the same goes with mind diseases, ideologies and so on. Your subconscious and unconscious mind are fed by everything you consume, like it or not, this is how it actually works, no matter how hard you try to deconstruct it till death. After full deconstruction, comes the actual seeing of how things work, keep deconstructing but there is a an intelligent substratum that joyfully stands all deconstruction. Sure, it's all a great interconnected system. There is no way outside it but through it. You must master no-mind with the same vigour as you should master thinking. There is not a single place in Reality where I do not see the Divine.

what convinced u that the nature of mind is the nature of reality? It seems more accurate to call Reality a Sentient Intelligent Conscious Mind than to say it is dead matter from which as an epiphenomenon causes consciousness to arise from. Calling Reality Mind is by no means an all encompasing term but it feels more accurate than the Newtonian material mechanistic paradigm most humans are locked in right now.

Because it makes you look Badass

@Yimpa So happy to see him walking again in nature

You already know why there are limits and what limits are and why they exist, so do I. The question you are really asking me is why can't I change these limits at will. I'm quite uncertain about that, I'm still investigating. By no means I have all the answers, just sharing what I have discovered while on the journey. It seems that consciously changing the limits of Reality requires even more insane levels of God-Awakening that I still haven't reached. But there is nothing impossible about it, I just woke up from a night-dream with different laws and limitations than this dream. I have experienced, wildly different limitations on Salvia for example. So flying is a limit that given enough consciousness I'm sure it can be changed, everything is flexible in Omnipotence. Have I done that? No. Have other limits been erased by insane levels of consciousness? Yes. So I guess it's all about the Godly state you abide.

He seems not satisfied with that answer, despite being true

For me the biggest downside is the sometimes endless debating that ends up corrupting my mind. The need of being right, of convincing other people, win arguments... Even if you are very careful this ends up corrupting the purity of your mind introducing nedless noise. It affects your ability to make independent inquiries and novel Awakenings. Be careful, this is a big trap of the Forum

@Vajra I'm the first interested to bring clarity on the topic, but I don't think you are aware of how many metaphysical, philosophical and epistemological limitations there are. Prove is a very complex advanced notion.

Well you are not gonna be worring about ppaying your bills or human activities, pain/suffering, life and death, these kind of things. Yes, I already told you. Become an Art expert with years of painting experience, this is the way to intuit if it is a real Picasso or just Art Forgery. There is no simple rule of thumb and the best you can do is still pretty poor. This is how it works, I haven't done the rules. Now that I remember I did an exam for Awakening a month ago, when I was a bit tired of people claiming things I clearly saw were not the case. Maybe this can help in your investigation

Yeah, I shamelessly admit it! It's like @Salvijus said, it just doesn't have good taste. But it's very vague and not by any means perfect. If it tastes very gross you are pretty sure that is not God-Realization. But sounding good does not imply it is the case, hopefully this is clear. Again, intuition works better for discarding than for crediting.

Exactly. Not withh 100% certainty at least. Didn't say that, just pointing out the difference in state between humand and God/Infinity. What will you do when you are in the Moon? Maybe when your feet touch the moon you are so shocked that everything you thought previously flies out the window and you are marvelled by the experience you are having. Surely, nurture that by all means.

It's not that I don't how to, it is that there is no How to bullet proof way beyond any error. You can't even make your mother prove her own independent existent. Please tell me how to prove that? God-Realization is beyond such limitations that you are constricting it into, if you actually experienced God this desire would simply vanish into your infinite Awakeness.

You can't never know. But if you don't even know it yourself, then for sure it is impossible. You can intuit it. It's easier to say someone is not God-Realized than to say it actually is.

No, I said that now you at least have a chance. Because before you didn't even have a chance, you are clueless about what God-Realization is. Be honest about that, till you have it you don't know it.

I love it! Indeed a very jazzy quote

There are many angles to the same and in each angle we present there is also a shadow of it. What I mean when I say Sovereign in your dream is that you are all there is, whatever the permutation, that is my very own. I am absolute onto myself. That makes me God within the permutation and in all infinity.