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(AI transcribed post from an audio contemplation) There is a truth about spiritual development that very few are willing to articulate plainly. Many people enter the spiritual path with an implicit assumption: that if they do everything correctly — meditate diligently, attend long retreats, practice yoga rigorously, explore psychedelics responsibly, dedicate years to contemplation and inquiry, become a full time monk — they will eventually reach the highest states of consciousness. They assume the path is meritocratic and universally attainable at its summit. But after years of observation and dialogue with serious practitioners, a difficult conclusion emerges: It is extraordinarily rare to reach the highest states of consciousness — whether as stable baseline realizations or as insane peak states — unless one possesses exceptional, perhaps extreme, innate endowment. In blunt terms: unless one is, in that domain, a genetic outlier. The Spiritual Domain Is Not Exempt We accept biological inequality in nearly every other domain without protest. Consider athletics. No matter how disciplined you are, no matter how optimized your training, nutrition, recovery, or psychology, you will not outrun Usain Bolt. The gap is not merely effort-based; it is structural. It is encoded in muscle fiber composition, tendon elasticity, neural firing rates, biomechanics — variables largely determined before conscious striving begins. The same applies in mathematics, music, physics, or art. When one studies the true geniuses — those who revolutionize a field — one finds not merely diligence but profound structural asymmetry: cognitive architecture, perceptual sensitivity, creative intuition, memory bandwidth, abstraction capacity... Why, then, should spirituality and mysticism be exempt? --- The Myth of Equal Attainability Many practitioners believe they can reach the level of Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ, or Muhammad if only they practice hard and intelligently enough. But consider what is being claimed. To reach (definition of terms excluded): Serious baseline Awareness Peak Awakenings into a facet of Awakening Peak Awakenings into many facets and in conjunction Holistic Awakenings across all facets. Infinity Consciousness Realization of infinities for Infinity Breakthrough into God-consciousness and God-Mode And from there, further God Facet and Infinity Awakenings Even a single authentic awakening of those is already a huge blessing. A few partial awakenings on limited facets are already extremely rare. Totalized realization across all axes? That is vanishingly rare. Imagine to realise Infinity and God... And yet many assume it is simply a matter of human mechanical effort. --- The Uncomfortable Implication This conclusion is discouraging. It suggests that many sincere practitioners — even those dedicating thousands of hours to meditation, retreats, yoga, inquiry, psychedelics — may never reach the highest conceivable states in comparison with other gifted individuals. Not because they failed. But because the organism/manifestation has limits. Genetic limits. Neurological limits. Structural limits. The same way no amount of training will turn a very good runner into an Olympic record holder, the gap is quantum, no amount of practice may turn an average nervous system into a vehicle for absolute consciousness, an avatar. Let me ground this in something concrete. Recently, I spoke with someone who, by any reasonable metric, could be called a spiritual prodigy — what I've been calling a “genetic freak.” He described having solipsistic awakenings at the age of two. At two! Before doctrine. Before philosophy. Before influence. Before language was fully formed. Throughout childhood and adolescence, he did not need to be introduced to spirituality. He did not “discover” it. He was already living it. He would wake up in the middle of the night to meditate. To pray. To contemplate God. Not because a teacher instructed him. Not because a book inspired him. Not because a forum persuaded him. Because it was intrinsic. That difference matters. The Metric of Origin One of the simplest diagnostics you propose is this: If spirituality came to you from the outside — from a teacher, from religion, from philosophy, from a figure like Leo Gura, from a book, from psychedelics — then by definition, it was not native to your earliest structure of consciousness. If, from the very first moment of self-awareness, your primary orientation was toward truth, God, metaphysics, infinity — then something structurally unusual was present from the beginning. This is not about superiority. It is about origin and understanding the truth. Some people discover the path. Others are the path from the moment awareness crystallizes. That distinction is not trivial... --- The Deeper Paradox And yet, paradoxically, this truth does not invalidate practice. It reframes it. Spiritual work may not be about reaching the maximal conceivable state. It may not be about becoming a once-in-history outlier of consciousness. It may instead be about: Doing your absolute best and bending as much as possible all limitations in the way for higher and more complete consciousness (or whatever your spiritual goals or approach may be) In fact, one might argue that the mature stage of spiritual development includes accepting limits — including the limits of genetics, embodiment, and this particular manifestation. There may be states of consciousness that are simply inaccessible to this organism. And that, too, is part of the truth. --- End Don't fall into false equivalence. Some are born already touching the sky — their first breath a question about God, their childhood a meditation, their nervous system intrinsically tuned to infinity. Others must carve their way upward through discipline, study, psychedelics, years of relentless refinement — and still may not reach Holistic Awakenings, Infinite Consciousness or God. This is the structure of reality. Consciousness, like every domain of existence, expresses itself through gradients of capacity. There are prodigies of spirit just as there are prodigies of mind and body. To deny this is sentimentality. To resent it is immaturity. Your task was never to become the best but to be your best — completely, honestly, without self-deception — whether it rises ten feet or touches the infinite sky. And that, too as for all Infinity, is God. I'll leave with this quote: "Even when you struggle to realise God, you're God"

This year one of my objectives is to experiment heavily with Nootropics and see if they work and which ones work best. So final decisions will be made at the end of this year, now I'm just testing things out. I've always had lots of problems swallowing pills, but I just saw how that could be very problematic, negatively impacting my life and I'm so glad in the last month I've been able to swallow that pill! Okay so straight to the point, first I'll list the substances I've been taking for about 10 days. Basic ones: Complete multivitamin and mineral Omega-3 Creatine Turmeric+Probiotics Nootropics: NAC (800mg) Rhodiola Rosea Uridine NAD Phosphatidylserine Lion's Mane (+Reishi) (+Cordyceps) Brain Complex pill (Bacopa Monnieri, Ginkgo Biloba, Coline, Ginseng, L-Tyrosine) Brain focus pill (Taurina, L-tirosina, L-theanine, 200 mg of caffeine) Huperzine A Pyrazolam Armodafinil To wine down: Magnesium Bisglycinate L-Tryptophan Valerian GABA (Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid) Triphala Blueprint I'm following (although I always listen to my body and consciousness, adjusting it to every day): Initial conclusion: Absolutely amazing. I wanted to try substances that would give me a permanent/stable change in the way my mind works. This combo has proven to work very nicely. I work a lot during the week and need to stay at my best even when I can't get as much sleep as I'd like to. These substances allow me to do that and moreover raise to levels of intelligence and physical performance I would have never imagined possible. I'll explain in later posts on this thread more in detail how each one has worked for me or even not much. As well as dangerous interactions between these supplements to consider. Overall very happy, as I made such a strong investment but it's definitely paying off. My intuitions were right that to tap into higher cognitive developmental stages, nootropics would be instrumental, in the same way psychedelics are for higher Awakenings.

@Ziran Watch Leo's two episodes on States of Consciousness is everything and The many facets of Awakening to gain deeper clarity on the topic. I'm sorry I can't explicitly explain it all to you now

Exactly! As long as that is acknowledged

This NOT about genetics. This about LIMITS. Contemplate on the nature of limits.

There's a infinity of different high and complete states of consciousness, like a singularity breaking through in every direction and dimension while simultaneous collapsing into every direction and dimension for Infinity mirroring itself into more Absolute Infinities. So it's not like there's one conception, there's Infinite Abundance, the doubt is how far you'll reach compared to others.

Yes you have a good point that we don't know the limit so we should just assume there aren't and shoot to the moon. The harsh truth comes when you see someone directly born in the moon and they are shooting for another Galaxy.

@theleelajoker My point is that every individual is born with a different infinite possibility space

But what if that were the truth? That some truths are unfindable because you're a human and not an alien or a spider or a fifth dimensional being or who knows what. Contemplate you'll never know how it feels like to be a woman, have breasts, pussy, the period, being pregnant, giving birth, giving milk to your child... You'll absolutely never know the inner truths of that, unless maybe you die from this form and somehow be in another form with other limitations.

It's okey brother, thanks for the honesty. Hope you get a good night's sleep today, you deserve it There are certain principles, but even speaking generally there are people who've tried many meditation and yoga techniques and after many experimentation took the ones that worked for them and practiced 8h+ every day, trying new practices, everything they could find under the sun, done a shit tone of psychedelics as well but they don't ever reach the Awakening Leo or other mystics talk about. This is the life story of million of seekers in human history. The proof is that there's only one christ, a thousand Christian saints and billions of Christian over the centuries. I've seen very devoted hard-working spiritual people die without a proper awakening, I was having them when I was a kid spontaneously, it's such an injustice. Gifted spiritual people don't know what they have till they talk to many sincere people along the path and then they find a few genetic freaks and see, okay now that makes sense. So the methodology I have for you is talk with as many spiritual people you can via call so you can see your faces and interact with hundreds of people, ask them about their life, their path. You'll see the asymmetry one effortlessly gets into Infinity consciousness others took them decades but they reached, others never and heavily frustrated for they know and intuit the higher truths and Awakenings.

@theleelajoker Prove me that everyone can reach the States of Consciousness I'm talking about. I just don't buy it, I've seen people doing everything right and they haven't reached. I've seen people just getting there by virtue of being born. It's simply denial to not see this truth. All the teachers and mystics you follow are extremely gifted, that's the reason why so few of their students reach even close to their spiritual heights. If what you say where to be true, then everyone would reach and we know this is not the case. You've been sold a fantasy and in case you're a genetic freak, which could probably be, then you seriously seriously underestimate how much you owe to the starting position you were given.

It's already a superb indicator There's different degrees of truth orientation and predisposition You can reach to inimaginable levels by will, but there are many levels to this game and some are reserved and it's a harsh truth I know I'm not gonna reach the best baseline consciousness state to ever exist, I'm just not spiritually wired for that. And I gotta bite that bullet. In a way you gotta find your zone of excellence within spirituality, in my case it's peak consciousness and that's what I like and I'm fulfilled being.

No amount of steroids will make you run faster than Usain Bolt with steroids But certainly much faster than what you could do by any other means

Thanks I wish I had more time to share all my insights with the quality they deserve Of course, everything is at the mercy of God As it has been given it can be taken away

Imagine thinking I haven't already read the quote, contemplated and integrated it years ago

In a way, nothing finite truly satisfies, for satisfaction and dissatisfaction cocreate each other. This comes with the insight that there's everything in life and so it must be, the only choice is to continuously refine the whole spectrum but the spectrum always exists, that's the nature and beauty of reality and contrast.

Yes but less if done correctly. With a teacher you have his awakening, the transmission and the interpretation of the communication. Moreover, you have different consciousness, psyches, personalities, gender, historical and cultural times, genetics, and so on. With yourself, you cook it to your own taste. And of course, you only reach to being self-taught, once you have exhausted others teachings, this I thought came without saying. My point was to proceed further with real spirituality, in the same way that Mozart learnt to a certain point from other and then had to carve a new pathway of music, self-taught, of course. Now people can arrive to that level and real music begins when continuing further. Deluded. In the same way, imagine you spent your whole life thinking someone is deluded, not knowing the difference. What does that leave you with? Moreover, it may be the case that teachers are a complex intermingle of truth and falsehood and that one needs to develop the ability to dissect and extract the truth from every perspective like a surgeon removes a tumor and studies the beating of the heart crack open. I know, I've spent many years deeply studying mystics from around the world from all ages, putting to test their techniques and pointers. I've presented you in this thread with my methodology to judge the quality of teachers after my extensive work. I'm curious to know what is your methodology and then maybe we can contrast and learn from each other. Probably you just go by vibes and validation of your own unconscious axioms of what reality is, you have not done enough work to invent your own framework, check mechanisms, error correction, bias correction, to study a new teacher. For example, I see a new teacher X and I know how to proceed, I've done it hundreds of times, you just go with vibes, it's just casual work for you but you go on trying to lecture me when I've just traversed the space to exhaustion, but when I do so you accuse me of bragging, hence the paradigm lock. Otherwise, I'm curious to know what is your methodology and then maybe we can contrast and learn from each other. You see the first example isn't even yours, it's from Peter Ralston, how do I know that? Mmm... You haven't exhausted teachers hence you cannot go beyond them, they are like anchors in your mind. While the one who has freed his mind, learns the truth from everyone and has a groundless mind. If you go to search a diamond you don't care to swim in a river of shit, others just see the river of shit and say why get dirty for the possibility of maybe finding a gem, hence they are satisfied with silver. The mystics takes a deep plunge and may only find shit, but when a gem appears, it's rare and no one will understand nor go through the process of cleaning their psyche and crowning the jewel. That's the methodology I follow after exhausting the first layer of investigation with a teacher. That's also what I'm doing with you now, I've already gotten the first layer gold after years listening to you and now I'm getting a deep plunge into your consciousness and psyche to see if there is any gem in there.

All teachers are limited at end the of the day, don't follow mystics but what mystics follow. After a threshold, spirituality must be self-taught, that's the beginning of real spirituality.

He def would benefit from outsourcing more stuff. He loves to do it all himself to his taste, but at his stage you can't be micromanaging everything cause it's gonna be a bottle neck. It's like wanting to be both a CEO and a technician, there's a trade-off in being so complete.

Leo, why do you often say you're going to do something and then it doesn't happen? This is not an attack and I don't want any explanations. I just cannot help but observe over the years this pattern of making a promise and then not delivering. For example, you've posted on the Corruption of... series, but then have not finished the deconstructing Rationality series which you said would be delivered in a row and I'm skeptical of how many chapters will be done on the corruption series. Still again this is just a local, limited and only a trigger of a metapoint on this lack of integrity and cornering yourself in future actions that don't materialize. Give it another introspective chain of thoughts because I'm puzzled you haven't polished this already.

Why?

If you fight with your thoughts you've already lost If you resist them you're entangled In the same way you ignore a distant street sound Ignore thoughts Let them be You just don't care If you find yourself lost again in thoughts Ignore again If you find thoughts about how the meditation is going or how to improve it. Ignore again Finally ignore ignoring as well And rest Awake and Free

Everything is alive at different degrees, everything is consciousness at different states and spaces. Your experience right now is not material, it's a phenomenology, meaning sensations, a soup of consciousness divinely harmonized. Be aware that this world/moment is made out of Pure Consciousness, then you're Awake. Realize this present experience is a manifestation of Pure Infinity, making Reality totally boundless (no edges/end) and groundless (ungraspable/self-evident). Awake into higher and more complete orders of Infinity, Consciousness, Love, Truth, Perfection, strange-loops, and so on so forth. Then by the self-touch of Divine grace, One may be blessed to be God-Conscious or enter into God-Mode. Here words lack description, it's hard to walk, hard to take the next breath, God's Immense Presence Saturates all of Reality. One is God, nothingness is God, All is God; God and only God, for Infinity.

I experience strong tolerance when vaping DMT on a vape, every hit takes more substance to reach the same state. I've been checking the scientific literature and this doesn't seem to be the case for most people. Do you experience DMT tolerance when redosing? In multiple days in a row there's no tolerance for me, but on the point of redosing I do feel it very substantially.