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I completely forgot about him. Yea that's crazy. Like I said, I will try to debate, but I want to understand these issues for myself aswell.

@Leo Gura Ok I will go through Vaush and Destiny. Are there any specific books or documentaries that you recommend maybe? btw thanks man, I'm very tired of being politically oblivious.

Another thing is, we are teenagers. A lot of people I see going into the nazi movement are really young, I hope they grow out of it.

Okay I will look through destiny's work. I hope I can dismantle my close friend's dogma's, were different races and were best friends. Best person I know when it comes to actually being a friend, super kind and reliable. I know its sounds so weird but Im serious. At the least, I want to be able respond with well articulated responses, so it doesn't seem like I am on board with some of their ideas.

I know it might sound disempowering but even these questions (free will etc) have to be asked when doing serious philosophical investigation. And your right in many cases it leads to armchair philosophy which is why I said its required to be pragmatic in this case so you can actually put your life together and " put bread on your table and feed your kids" regardless of what the truth is.

I can think of two ways where chasing success requires you to let go of truth. When trying to achieve something difficult, near impossible, statistically unlikely, it seems that you have to hold on to self-belief no matter how delusional it seems. The reason I consider this letting go of truth is because if you were to do an honest assessment of whether or not you'll be successful the answer will be statistically no, and you'll derail yourself. Believing that you are the maker of your life and taking full responsibility of the results you get in life is needed for mass success. If you were to look at it truthfully however, there are so many things that just aren't under your control. Bottom line - You have to be somewhat PRAGMATIC to be successful. Pragmatism is not aligned with truth. Ps. I have no large experience dealing with success. I am writing this based on my experience listening to successful people. Please discuss.

Leo wrote a blog about pragmatism. Just because something works doesn't mean it's true. It's one of his best blogs. What Im not trying to say that truth isn't useful, I am saying that when trying to be successful you often must prioritize achieving success over investigating truth. Take the black and white example of Free Will: A pragmatist might say: "Who cares whether free will is real or not? Just assume you have it, it feels like you do, and it gets the job done, so go with it". To be fair, that's the right approach when trying to succeed. You can't be doing serious philisophical inquiry and build an amazing business at the same time. Its difficult. Reality isn't trivial. To understand it takes a long fucking time. So yes truth takes a back seat because giving a fuck about truth is just not resourceful in some cases. https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-trap-of-pragmatism Hope you get what I mean, if I misunderstood you let me know

Lot of things have happened since the last journal entry. I had an insightful meeting with therapist I tried concerta I realise that some of my “ambition” or need to prove others wrong is actually source of great pain for me. It hasn’t even helped me be any more productive. It’s just hate that I feel. I feel like it’s a source of great immaturity. This underlying desire to become better than people, prove people wrong is very strong and is the main reason I am in self-development. lookint back it hasn’t even led me to more progress, I just hate more, feel horrible. This is the first time I’m considering tackling this desire. It’s the reason I’m in self development, but I suspect it’s also one of my biggest constraints in actually developing. Edit: I feel that feeling right now. It's very very strong. I can see why I keep it there, it's so overpowering. I am not sure I can get rid of it I will be honest. edit 2: If I was focused I would capitalize on this feeling

Conditional. If you have health issues it's hard to be happy. I have seen this with people I love in my life (+Leo also addresses this). That's not to say you can't learn ways to be happy. I am very sure that people can develop some emotional mastery to help them become more happy more consistently. But if some conditions are not met, like having good health etc etc it's much harder to be happy. No apologies needed post makes sense. Welcome to the forum, we're happy you are here.

Does this work? How should you do this?

Perfectly described. Im surprised you took the time to understand the ideology well.

@NoSelfSelf I disagree with this. Or maybe I just din't understand this part of Leo's teaching. But 100% accountability can be dangerous. I had some traumatic experiences as a child, and for the longest time, I blamed myself for the experiences I went through. I told myself that I was responsible, that I shouldn't have associated with the people I did, that I should have enforced boundaries. This self blame just caused me infinite pain. In the end what helped me was recognizing that I was the victim in that circumstance, I was a child, I couldn't possibly know any better. If it was a younger child going through the same thing I wouldn't hold him responsible that's retarded, he's a kid he cant know better. I was a victim, and admitting that brought peace. And saying "you shouldn't blame yourself but you should take responsibility" seems to me to be just word games. Blaming someone is holding someone accountable for a result. It's the same shit. When someone betrays your trust, blaming yourself for it seems to be even more counterproductive.

wdym go back to the 1960s and reincarnate.

@trenton thanks for response! Cool how you had experience with this and found that radicalization actually doesn't help you. I think it's a bit more difficult when a close friend betrays you but I get it.

Thank you for the reply. So from what you said, intention for finding truth is the main weapon against radicalization. So there's no easy way, you have to feel the cuts of betrayal and still try to find truth. About the long distance thing: Yea I can see what you are saying. I miswrote slightly my message, this person who I was talking about wasn't saying like long distance relationship, he meant that you'll get cheated on if you have to travel for two months for work or something. That's why I thought it was a bit excessive.

This is an amazing list. thank you for the value you are providing. I didn't think of the importance of setting healthy boundaries at all. This is like a preventative step almost. I can see by the effort you put on this post. I appreciate it. And thank you!

@Jacob Morres thanks for the response. I just spoke to a friend, one thing that might help with this is get an experience that counteracts the bad experience. Likee if you got abused by a black guy, your less likely to be racist cuz u already have black friends that prove to you that black people are nice. But that's kind of difficult to do with relationships because to try that out you have to prepare to make yourself vulnerable again. and if your not prepared to be vulnerable, you'll just be toxic and not have a good relationship.

I think there two key problems that you are trying to solve. 1. People have need for purpose and community, and often get that through organized religion/ideology. You basically want to create the "best ideology possible" wherein helps people live a great life. You want to achieve this by adding pillars like self improvement and best science. 2. You believe not all people are going to develop themselves into higher developmental stages, and will innevitably fall into ideology. So your solution is to give them an ideology that will cause less hard and most progress. Rebutalls. Firstly Creating the "best" ideology is already incredibly tricky. How do you even know what the best science is? Deciding what is the "best" way to do anything is not trivial and takes a lot of work. The best spiritual teachers in the world debate over what is the best way to achieve spiritual mastery. The best scientists disagree with each other on how to do the best science. I'm illustrating these examples because it shows how difficult it would be to find the best way to do things. People won't be encouraged to reflect on their beliefs and shame other people who try. This would actually be destructive. YES, I think people can develop into higher developmental stages, because it is already happening. A lot of the world is stage orange whereas before it was stage blue. We can move up collectively. it just takes a fuck ton a time and mass education, not ideology. And for the record, Leo is right by saying that's how Islam is. Most hardcore islamists believe that their way of doing things are the most developed and correct. Most islamic people believe that Islam is a "encompassing ideology on how to live your life based on science, rationality, spirituality, psychology, philosophy, self improvement". The Quran has lessons on how to behave, and organize society aswell as face lifes challenges. People believe it's right. We need people to be more self reflecting and go away from ideology. It is possible I believe. Maybe not any time soon though.

One thing I will take Leo's word for is his advice on tackling any challenge in life. You don't need to know "how to do something", just that you have the desire to do it. The passion and the ambition will help you uncover how.

I studied for my math test for two weeks straight. Yesterday I wrote it and I failed for sure. I'm kind of numb to failure. I dislike it, but like damn. I hope I succeed more this year man. I won't quit but I hope it pays off. I hope contemplating so much pays off, I hope watching all these videos pay off, I hope all my actions pay off. I've been in self improvement for a while. I hope it pays off.

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deadass. Also coo video you shared, kinda opens my eyes. Female game defenitly exists.

very nice post. This is something I was thinking about a lot in the past but in the context of friendships. Some earlier parts of my life, I was friends with some very narcissistic people. He normalized toxic behavior for me and made me think that it was necessary to have good "cool" friend group. I never became that manipulative in that sense simply because I wasn't that good at it, but it made me think that if I were to be more manipulative, I could have all the friends I want. Later on I realized that's all bullshit. That's sooo bullshit. It's such a retarded and unnececaruly strenuous way to think about frienships. Be nice guy, develop humor and charisma. With some good luck, you can get some very high quality and good friends. Thanks for this post, the way you write makes it seem like there is some parallel between my experience with friends and yours with relationships.

@undeather bin a while crocodile since I've seen you here welcome back dawg

@EdgeGod900 your right about validating for yourself. Bit lazy and scared to actually try that's why il be real. Can you tell me about situations where it worked for you? (how it activated dormant craziness ahahaha). Also, I were to experiment right away, how do I know im doing it right.