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I do agree, ethics don't objectively exist. But I'd rather live in an ethical society than an un-ethical on. These made up ethics can give us an idea on how to conduct society so that all benefits

I agree with you here. I know we are talking about societies, but do you think this line of thinking is the same when it comes to individuals? So in a sense being stage red and stage orange SD is very much necessary. It all depends on the end results.

Yep your completely right, I was to a large extent. But if someone can jump into green culture just through indoctrination, doesn't it mean that the overall progression of SD is wrong? Serious question, because this is probably what really confuses me about SD. Also, now would I have to go through stage green again? I realized the negatives of having the green attitude already. idk how to progress. Yes maybe I am missing a lot.

America gained most of its power through deception, the amount of damage the US as caused is (for example: middle east, India) is insane. Easily one of the most unethical nations in my opinion. After conducting some research, I have found that Scandinavian countries are known for their high ethical standards. However, they are not as powerful as countries like the US or China. In my opinion, a country's power is important because it determines its ability to defend itself against potential aggressors. For example, if China were to target a Scandinavian country, it would likely be able to easily overpower it due to the disparity in power.

@Leo Gura I personally can't relate with spiral dynamics. It feels as though most people are just mixed, and for me personally I think I was green before orange. which shouldn't happen as per what SD says.

I am eager to comprehend the negative effects of manipulating others and the potential repercussions. I am not sure why Leo believes this is crucial. I feel uninformed about this topic, but I wish to gain knowledge on the subject (desperately almost cuz I am confused).

What about creating spectacular performances using pogo stick, in the most creative way? Same with chess, I mean there are so many ways to win a game, you dedicating your life to chess could be developing a unique play style. Starting a chess academy.. I really don't understand where your coming from. I can definitely see how a simple game like chess could be fascinating so someone.

What do you mean, what if it is part of their life purpose?

yea your right. I want to fix this issue as soon as possible.

I just had a realization, but it doesn't make sense. I feel as though deep down inside I have resistance against being successful. It is as though the reason why I’m not successful is because I kinda enjoy being not successful. I just began learning to code and this is not the first time I planned to do it, I said to my self that this time I am going to learn how to code, then I somewhat for some reason caught myself feeling comforted to the idea of possibly failing. It’s as if I like being the guy that keeps trying then failing, it is as if I’m tricking myself. I suddenly felt as if I would be out of place if I didn't fail. It is as if I secretly want to fail. Super weird, really strange. But very clear. Suuper weird, I'm very weirded out. It just happened. What does this mean?

Thanks. Yes, I feel as if I do like to hold on to failure. I just realised I might be somewhat afraid of success. I realise how I am kind of my own enemy. This is soo weird to me, I'm amazed. When I was younger I think I developed this sort of mindset, now I almost feel like I want to try and not succeed. I think I feel comfort about crying about it later. It amazes me still.

Maybe consider building a skill around mathematics. For example, you can learn to code and go into AI. AI programming needs calculus and linear algebra. This way you can use your love your math to not only improve the world but you can make a living. Bro trust, your love for math isn't to waste because not many people love math. I myself am learning to love math slowly. So its pretty killer. Additionally check this out:

Is it possible for a sociopath like Andrew Tate to be enlightened? This is a direct response to Leo's most recent video about Andrew Tate. What really changed my mind about him is the fact that he pimped out his own girlfriend and was heartless enough to exploit them through fake tax reforms. Like I can't even imagine how sociopathic you have to be. I didn't even think his actions were so fucked, I had to really visualize myself in his position to realize how heartless you must be to pimp out your own girl. Can a sociopath like Andrew Tate ever get enlightened or follow spirituality? It seems to me that psychopaths and sociopaths literally cannot go into spirituality as they are biologically wired in such a way where they just can't empathize with anyone. Is there anyone in this forum who is or knows someone who is sociopathic and follows spirituality? A direct question to Leo and people more experienced : If you had to try, how would you begin to introduce a sociopath into spirituality?

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This is a serious question, I don't understand the cost to manipulation and controlling people. @Leo Gura teaches that one should get rid of any manipulative behavior they might have. He says there is this huge cost to manipulating or controlling someone, and that there is a reason why low integrity people that manipulate are relatively less successful than higher integrity leaders that don't manipulate. For the record, most successful leaders are pretty darn manipulative. Also how can you even live life without manipulation? Isn't Leo's videos simply just a form of manipulation? I mean pretty much anything is manipulation no? Someone please clarify this for me

Wait but I remember when you said that you literally became earth. Isn't that proof against Solipsism?

I really hope I can get to that point. Do you have a video on this topic (dangers of manipulation)? If so, please tell me which one.

In the past I was super honest with everyone and was easy to manipulate, ended up getting controlled by my closest friend. I trusted him. He took a lot from me at the time. He definitely was happier than I was at the end of it. Even now, probably more fulfilled, even if he is a big ego prick. When you talk about the dangers of manipulation and control, it often resonates strongly with me because my personal experience has shown that those who manipulate and control and have large egos and come out of situations feeling fulfilled and much happier. In the end I am the one who gets fucked. Your right about fear, I'm scared as shit to feal that pain again. I don't even know what to do. I keep listening to your shit for hope but then reality wakes me the fuck up again. Every time. All around me, the honest people are sad and weak while the evil fuckers that are willing to pimp out their own girlfriends smile the most. I think we can agree that some level of manipulation as a leader is necessary, but I understand what you mean. Most times you even think to "manipulate" someone is for selfish intent, not a higher cause. Anyway thanks.

But why? What's the cost? I I don't mean to be an asshole by repeating the question, I actually don't understand what is the "cost" to controlling others.

@Gesundheit2 What would you define as being integrous? Telling the truth, or tell what you believe to be true?

@Juan I would say anything that you do change someones behavior is manipulation. So pretty much anything is manipulation.

@Leo Gura I understand that. But aren't there some circumstances where manipulation would have a net positive impact? If your a leader in a country, I think it is not only ok but needed to carefully manipulate your followers to achieve a better more sustainable future. Even hardcore manipulation. If it results in better quality of life, what is the problem? For example: If I were Nigerian, I would view the use of manipulation to gain power as justifiable if the goal is to push away foreign commercial companies like Shell and empower the local population.

The video by Leo on Andrew Tate was okay, it got the job done for me but I think it could've been a lot better. Even though Leo said the video wasn't meant to tear Tate down, he ended up trashing him throughout the whole thing. Some of the things he said weren't even accurate which made his arguments not as strong. If he had talked about the issues without being so biased and not calling Tate names like "scumbag", I think a lot more people would have believed what he had to say. The video by Leo on Andrew Tate had some valuable points and changed my perspective, but it may not have been successful in convincing Tate's fans as it seemed like a combination of education and slandering Tate. To improve the effectiveness of the video, I think Leo should have: Discussed the dangers of Andrew Tate's mindset without using personal attacks, such as calling him a "scumbag". The example of Tate's own statements about pimping out his girlfriend was a powerful point, but he should have avoided all other arguments against Tate as they are more controversial and unclear. When trying to get a point across to Tate's fans, it's crucial to make sure you have your facts straight and that there are no weak points in your accusations against Tate, because they tend to look for ways to dismiss your entire message if you give them an opening. Included more detail on the advice he provided for young people, specifically about traps and critical thinking, which would have helped viewers understand and apply the advice better. I feel like he should have summarized the Advice for young people video. Should have kept the video shorter, no more than an hour and a half, to keep the audience engaged and prevent information overload. No teenager Tate fan will watch a three hour video. This is my constructive criticism for @Leo Gura , I am seriously asking you to look at what I am saying here.

Bro I thought that as-well but let me ask you this, would you be able in ANY circumstance, to ask your girlfriend (who you respect) to jerk off in front of a camera to men online? Then proceed to trick your girlfriend who works for you by asking her to sign fake tax forms so you can take more money than you initially promised. Like bro, would you do this if you actually respected her. There's a lot of things we simply don't know about Tate, but what I wrote above is what he self admittedly does. This shows his character. This shows he doesn't give a fuck about the woman working under him. That is signs of being a sociopath.

Alright. But Leo, if you were to attempt helping a psychopath realize truth (forget Tate, I'm asking in General), how would you do this?