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@Leo Gura Relative no?

Then it almost seems like there is no truth whatsoever though no? Like in science its super easy because we all have pretty much the same experience of the physical world (atleast when we describe it), therefore its easier to fundamentally say this is right or wrong. In spirituality it seems to be different, its almost as if you can never know if your right.

@Thought Art Thanks! The stage that I am at I'll have a set of beliefs and conclusions. This makes sense.

What about until then?

@ZGROPIUS No I don't, the problem is I need to have some conclusions in order to function in life.

@ZGROPIUS What do you mean, like I should rather be just someone exploring perspectives rather than trying to find conclusions?

Why do you say that? Do you disagree with anything Leo says?

@OBEler I a still in high-school, I can't be taking that shit now ahaha. Probably later on though.

I got score 16. What I didn't like about the test is that majority of the time my answer wasn't any of the ones available. What I thought was interesting is the graphed scores, as I felt it was surprisingly accurate (although maybe I am biased). I would expect myself to be pretty entitled but I rally don't like exploiting people.

I am curious to know whether it is possible to create a society that operates on ethical principles and values, yet still remains competitive with those that do not prioritize ethics. This is important to consider as it raises questions about the trade-offs between moral integrity and success in today's globalized and highly interconnected world. Is it possible to achieve both, or do we have to sacrifice one for the other? China's use of the Belt and Road Initiative to lay debt traps for other countries raises concerns about the potential for these nations to become dependent on China. Can a society that prioritizes ethics and fair labor practices still achieve the level of influence and power that China has attained through unethical means?

@Rafael Thundercat Interesting

yea this makes sense to me. Then why should there be an incentive to rise to a SD stage that is higher than the environment your dropped in? Why does it makes sense to be stage green in a stage orange society? Like I would imagine, a stage green president wont survive in a predominantly stage orange politics. In a sense, aren't you trapped in an SD stage through surroundings? btw thanks for replying.

I do agree, ethics don't objectively exist. But I'd rather live in an ethical society than an un-ethical on. These made up ethics can give us an idea on how to conduct society so that all benefits

I agree with you here. I know we are talking about societies, but do you think this line of thinking is the same when it comes to individuals? So in a sense being stage red and stage orange SD is very much necessary. It all depends on the end results.

Yep your completely right, I was to a large extent. But if someone can jump into green culture just through indoctrination, doesn't it mean that the overall progression of SD is wrong? Serious question, because this is probably what really confuses me about SD. Also, now would I have to go through stage green again? I realized the negatives of having the green attitude already. idk how to progress. Yes maybe I am missing a lot.

America gained most of its power through deception, the amount of damage the US as caused is (for example: middle east, India) is insane. Easily one of the most unethical nations in my opinion. After conducting some research, I have found that Scandinavian countries are known for their high ethical standards. However, they are not as powerful as countries like the US or China. In my opinion, a country's power is important because it determines its ability to defend itself against potential aggressors. For example, if China were to target a Scandinavian country, it would likely be able to easily overpower it due to the disparity in power.

@Leo Gura I personally can't relate with spiral dynamics. It feels as though most people are just mixed, and for me personally I think I was green before orange. which shouldn't happen as per what SD says.

I am eager to comprehend the negative effects of manipulating others and the potential repercussions. I am not sure why Leo believes this is crucial. I feel uninformed about this topic, but I wish to gain knowledge on the subject (desperately almost cuz I am confused).

What about creating spectacular performances using pogo stick, in the most creative way? Same with chess, I mean there are so many ways to win a game, you dedicating your life to chess could be developing a unique play style. Starting a chess academy.. I really don't understand where your coming from. I can definitely see how a simple game like chess could be fascinating so someone.

What do you mean, what if it is part of their life purpose?

yea your right. I want to fix this issue as soon as possible.

I just had a realization, but it doesn't make sense. I feel as though deep down inside I have resistance against being successful. It is as though the reason why I’m not successful is because I kinda enjoy being not successful. I just began learning to code and this is not the first time I planned to do it, I said to my self that this time I am going to learn how to code, then I somewhat for some reason caught myself feeling comforted to the idea of possibly failing. It’s as if I like being the guy that keeps trying then failing, it is as if I’m tricking myself. I suddenly felt as if I would be out of place if I didn't fail. It is as if I secretly want to fail. Super weird, really strange. But very clear. Suuper weird, I'm very weirded out. It just happened. What does this mean?

Thanks. Yes, I feel as if I do like to hold on to failure. I just realised I might be somewhat afraid of success. I realise how I am kind of my own enemy. This is soo weird to me, I'm amazed. When I was younger I think I developed this sort of mindset, now I almost feel like I want to try and not succeed. I think I feel comfort about crying about it later. It amazes me still.

Maybe consider building a skill around mathematics. For example, you can learn to code and go into AI. AI programming needs calculus and linear algebra. This way you can use your love your math to not only improve the world but you can make a living. Bro trust, your love for math isn't to waste because not many people love math. I myself am learning to love math slowly. So its pretty killer. Additionally check this out:

Is it possible for a sociopath like Andrew Tate to be enlightened? This is a direct response to Leo's most recent video about Andrew Tate. What really changed my mind about him is the fact that he pimped out his own girlfriend and was heartless enough to exploit them through fake tax reforms. Like I can't even imagine how sociopathic you have to be. I didn't even think his actions were so fucked, I had to really visualize myself in his position to realize how heartless you must be to pimp out your own girl. Can a sociopath like Andrew Tate ever get enlightened or follow spirituality? It seems to me that psychopaths and sociopaths literally cannot go into spirituality as they are biologically wired in such a way where they just can't empathize with anyone. Is there anyone in this forum who is or knows someone who is sociopathic and follows spirituality? A direct question to Leo and people more experienced : If you had to try, how would you begin to introduce a sociopath into spirituality?