mr_engineer

It's just not smart to find something wrong with a competing company who's as big or bigger than you. The smarter thing to do is to make friends with the few big players in your industry and to collectively target the smaller companies, defame them with way bigger marketing-campaigns than theirs and most especially, target anti-vaxxers. That way, everyone's rich and happy and powerful. For a Russian or Chinese company to do what you're saying, they would have to have nationalistic motivations that are bigger than money. And, I don't think that's the case.

Ultimately, money is what rules these people. It's not even nationalism. And they don't want to piss off the West too much either, they want to be seen as the good guys in their country too.

This reality about science, that it's primarily about survival of the scientists and not about truth, is what made me leave research. Scientists are very, very corruptible people. Heck, you just have to pay off the editor of the right journal and the entire journal will be biased in your favor! I was depressed for a long time after seeing this reality about science. Which is why I'm so passionate about changing science-education, where I advocate that students think for themselves. When you stop being dogmatic as a scientist, you will have a conscience that stops you from being corruptible and blindly defending your conditioning from your education.

They prioritize the image of the product over petty competition. They can form an oligopoly in the marketplace, that's mutually beneficial to everyone. And, if they're not divided, they can launch a full-scale war on anti-vaxxers together!

Alright. So, I'm going to tell you why I'm not taking 'the science' at face-value. I've spent 3 years of my life as a science-researcher. Day 1, lesson 1 of research is that science is not the absolute fact. It is created by researchers, in fact. As a researcher, your job is to prove a certain hypothesis 'true'. And, to gather the evidence in its favor. This is what you get paid for, this is your 'work'. Now, in a world where Pfizer sponsors everything, Pfizer is only going to pay researchers to gather pro-vax evidence!! Anti-vax research will not get paid. And, those people who speak out against the vax, are suppressed by the vax-companies. Their credibility is destroyed and they're labelled 'quacks' and 'conspiracy-theorists' by the government, who the vax-companies have lobbied. My request to all of you is to not act ignorant to these realities. Some you knew, some you had a hunch for and I'm probably confirming for you. So, what is the actual truth here? The full truth is that if there are ten anti-vax data-points and one pro-vax data-point, the Pfizer scientist will only focus on the one pro-vax data-point and have a blind-spot for the ten anti-vax data-points. So, 'the science' will be pro-vax, even though the truth may be the opposite! And, the reasons for the lack of this data may not be that it's not accessible, it could very well be a lack of funding by a corrupt establishment. Either way, this possibility, coupled with the taking away of democracy, should raise doubts. Their stats. They will only publish pro-vax stats and discredit anti-vax stats. Money is prior to science in today's world. And, the 'discrediting' happens purely by appeals to authority, which is deeply corrupt in and of itself.

Mob-mentality begets mob-mentality from the other side. You don't know these things would've happened, because they didn't happen. When they come up with a trick to destroy democracy, you should be skeptical of what they're saying. Because there are very real payoffs to them to destroy democracy. I'm talking about what actually happened, not an imagined scenario that you 'prevented'. Maybe the cure was worse than the disease.

Enforce masks if you want. But, social-distancing should not have been forced. That's anti-democratic. Again, you have the right to socially distance if you want. Feel free to isolate yourself! Forcing others to do it is a sin.

My point is that you don't get to justify this and say that you're for democracy. The reality is that the average person is so invisible to the elite of the first-world that the elite is just unreachable through any medium. Outright protesting is the only way to do it. In fact, the people should have the right to collapse the government through peaceful protesting and sloganeering, when the government attacks their body-sovereignty. And the government is so unreachable, the power-disparity is so huge, that genuine checks and balances are absolutely out of the question. Lobbying is an open secret, revolving-doors are an open secret. People should be able to take a stand when it affects them. Especially their health. No 'experts' should have the right to dictate terms to you. The government is answerable to the people, not to 'experts'.

Say, there's an authoritarian, psychopathic leader who wants to control and take over the world. Would they say 'I want to take away protest-rights' explicitly in this world, where people have been educated into believing that they live in a democracy?! No, right?! They would invent a crisis, they would take on the role of 'saving the world from this crisis' and they would ask the world to give up some freedoms in return. This has been steadily happening throughout history. Up until this point, where they attacked our right to protest. They got their police lap-dogs to violently crack down on peaceful protests. Like the Nazis who were 'just following orders'. Not realizing what they're doing to democracy.

A democracy, by definition, is a government that's by the people, of the people and for the people. The people in charge get their position knowing fully well that it's 'by the people', meaning, they're democratically elected representatives by the people. Now, how are they taken out of office in a democracy?! Peaceful protests. You abuse your power, the people say 'We oppose you, resign now'. Entire governments collapse like this. This is how it's supposed to work!! Government is supposed to yield to the will of the people, the people are acknowledged to have the right to do this in a democracy. And, when people gather together, band together and speak unanimously, that's it. Protest is a constitutional right in a democracy. But, if you are able to trick the people into agreeing to outlaw protest, you're not a democratically elected leader anymore. You're there by fiat, by force. By trickery and by gaslighting. This is an abuse of power, it's psychological manipulation. It's a psy-op, in fact. Now, the woke people may agree with the content of the actions. But, it is very unprincipled and low-integrity to want to change the structure of the system to get your way. It's cheating, from the perspective of someone who values democracy. And it sets a bad precedent, a new low in politics in general. Don't be so serious in your partisanship, that you destroy democracy in the process. The right is also guilty of this, but you are also guilty of this. And, it would be wise of you to figure this out for yourself before pointing fingers at others.

Social gatherings not allowed, protests not allowed. Peaceful protest is a fundamental right of a citizen of every democracy. When you outlaw that, you're saying 'We will not have a peaceful conversation, we will only talk to you in terms of brute-force'. Authoritarianism 101. Should make anyone suspicious of the narrative.

People who are 'for democracy' should have become suspicious of the narrative when the protests were outlawed. And, from that point on, they should not have become the police foot-soldiers for an authoritarian regime. In terms of censorship, in terms of bureaucracy, in terms of vax-mandates. They should have said 'No, government, we will not do your bidding, because our principles of democracy matter more to us than survival. We will not let you become authoritarian. We will rely on herd-immunity, which also gets destroyed by lockdowns, we will not buy your social-distancing narrative.' If you're genuinely for democracy, that is. This is what the anti-vaxxers did. Through everything, through all of the tyranny and oppression. They fought for democracy while the woke people fought to kill it. By all means, if you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want to social-distance, social-distance. If you want to get the vax, get the vax. But, the government should lose all rights to govern you if they outlaw protests.

Yupp. The woke people went full SJW on people who didn't want to wear masks, who wanted to breathe freely and who wanted to keep their bodily autonomy. The mistake they made is that they thought they were supporting 'democracy', except that the fact that protests were outlawed meant that democracy was thrown out the window. And they ended up supporting an authoritarian regime. It was unconscious behavior in a pattern. But, this is the actual reality of what they did.

Yupp.

Practical reality.

@something_else Then why did they mandate the vax just because their favorite government said so?! Why did they go with the social-credit health-system?! Woke people will do that, if it gets them their way. And, this also translates to economics. The government destroyed small businesses in the pandemic by using lockdowns, and the woke commies supported that!! Because they're commies. And they want the government to have more and more power and 'hold businesses accountable for social justice'. So, when the vax came along, they just followed the same pattern. Because the government is always on your side, right?! Because they're the 'democrats'. And, we also have social-credit freedom of speech now. Pro-vax people get to talk, anti-vax people get censored. And, on the economic side, you don't get to have a job if you're not jabbed. Why does the government get to dictate what you do for a living, if it's ethical?! Break this pattern.

@Devin Everyone follows the West, really. That's how underdeveloped countries work. They just have less developed and more authoritarian ethics. But, the West has more authoritarian systems, because the governments in the West have way better and way more wide-spread tech.

@something_else I'm telling you one last time, stop looking at theory and start looking at the practical reality. The silicon-valley types will say 'they're woke' in theory, but in practice, they're capitalists. Ditch the theory, look at the practical reality of what the woke people do. 'Social justice' is a very loose, abstract concept. The way SJWs go about doing their thing, is very communist! 'We're the have-nots, you're the haves, so you have to compromise for us'.

The government is getting its way because of the woke people. The conservative side is being reasonably conservative with a vax that got developed oddly quickly and got rolled out under emergency acts, that give the companies indiscriminate power to put in whatever cheap substance they get into the vax to get a quick profit. It's because people like Leo censor reasonable discussion on issues like body-sovereignty, that the government gets their way. Own your sins, Leo!!

All communism is not wokeism, but all wokeism is communism. This is wokeism. For all of you asking about 'how is this a social-justice issue?!' This is how!! 'It's a societal problem'. The collective becomes more important than the individual and the individual has to sacrifice themselves completely for the 'collective'. Because body-sovereignty is as fundamental of a human right as human rights get. Do your part and shut up. If you care so much about this, get your vax and shut the fuck up. Is that clear?!

If there were a vaccine that insulated you from accidents, I would most definitely fight for my right to speed. Even if it got me into an accident! If I get into an accident and you're vaccinated against it, it's none of your business. To take away people's rights and body-sovereignty like this, is to treat them like children. Even if you see them as 'less evolved', they're adults and they have rights. If you take them away, you will see more insurrection-like incidents.

Leo has not seen the scientific-establishment from the inside. He doesn't know how deeply corrupt and biased it is. I have done scientific-research for 3 years. That's why I take 'the science' with a grain of salt, not as dogma. Fine, it's a solid justification for how the woke mob behaved. But, this doesn't make the behavior right, right?! Take your vaccine and shut up. Don't force others to take it. And let people say whatever they want about your vaccine. Consumerism 101, reviews are everything. The point of 'science' is to question it. As a researcher, I give people the right to question 'the science', because I don't hold it as dogma. And I do not advocate for it. It kills so much creativity and discovery-potential in science and tech. If you don't do this, it becomes the 'ministry of truth' as said in Orwell's 1984.

@something_else Again, you're talking about it in theory, in terms of ideas. I'm talking about it in practice, in terms of what they did. Please, apply your concepts to reality, see what it amounts to and then see how others perceive those actions.

How dare they support mandates?! You can sell it to me if you want to. But, if I don't want it and you're vaccinated, who gave you the right to force it?! To not have the vax is a huge taboo, socially. And you won't be allowed anywhere without it. Not on flights, not at work, not in government-buildings. That's pretty intolerant!

And communism is authoritarianism. In practice, not in theory. People lose property-rights, people get social credit for giving up body-sovereignty, the state gets absolute power to inject whatever the hell they want in the name of a 'vaccine' and they have emergency-authorization, aka you can't sue them if they choose to deliberately harm you through the vax. (I'm not saying they did, I'm saying that this is a prelude to something worse in the future)