mr_engineer

People who are 'for democracy' should have become suspicious of the narrative when the protests were outlawed. And, from that point on, they should not have become the police foot-soldiers for an authoritarian regime. In terms of censorship, in terms of bureaucracy, in terms of vax-mandates. They should have said 'No, government, we will not do your bidding, because our principles of democracy matter more to us than survival. We will not let you become authoritarian. We will rely on herd-immunity, which also gets destroyed by lockdowns, we will not buy your social-distancing narrative.' If you're genuinely for democracy, that is. This is what the anti-vaxxers did. Through everything, through all of the tyranny and oppression. They fought for democracy while the woke people fought to kill it. By all means, if you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want to social-distance, social-distance. If you want to get the vax, get the vax. But, the government should lose all rights to govern you if they outlaw protests.

Yupp. The woke people went full SJW on people who didn't want to wear masks, who wanted to breathe freely and who wanted to keep their bodily autonomy. The mistake they made is that they thought they were supporting 'democracy', except that the fact that protests were outlawed meant that democracy was thrown out the window. And they ended up supporting an authoritarian regime. It was unconscious behavior in a pattern. But, this is the actual reality of what they did.

Yupp.

Practical reality.

@something_else Then why did they mandate the vax just because their favorite government said so?! Why did they go with the social-credit health-system?! Woke people will do that, if it gets them their way. And, this also translates to economics. The government destroyed small businesses in the pandemic by using lockdowns, and the woke commies supported that!! Because they're commies. And they want the government to have more and more power and 'hold businesses accountable for social justice'. So, when the vax came along, they just followed the same pattern. Because the government is always on your side, right?! Because they're the 'democrats'. And, we also have social-credit freedom of speech now. Pro-vax people get to talk, anti-vax people get censored. And, on the economic side, you don't get to have a job if you're not jabbed. Why does the government get to dictate what you do for a living, if it's ethical?! Break this pattern.

@Devin Everyone follows the West, really. That's how underdeveloped countries work. They just have less developed and more authoritarian ethics. But, the West has more authoritarian systems, because the governments in the West have way better and way more wide-spread tech.

@something_else I'm telling you one last time, stop looking at theory and start looking at the practical reality. The silicon-valley types will say 'they're woke' in theory, but in practice, they're capitalists. Ditch the theory, look at the practical reality of what the woke people do. 'Social justice' is a very loose, abstract concept. The way SJWs go about doing their thing, is very communist! 'We're the have-nots, you're the haves, so you have to compromise for us'.

The government is getting its way because of the woke people. The conservative side is being reasonably conservative with a vax that got developed oddly quickly and got rolled out under emergency acts, that give the companies indiscriminate power to put in whatever cheap substance they get into the vax to get a quick profit. It's because people like Leo censor reasonable discussion on issues like body-sovereignty, that the government gets their way. Own your sins, Leo!!

All communism is not wokeism, but all wokeism is communism. This is wokeism. For all of you asking about 'how is this a social-justice issue?!' This is how!! 'It's a societal problem'. The collective becomes more important than the individual and the individual has to sacrifice themselves completely for the 'collective'. Because body-sovereignty is as fundamental of a human right as human rights get. Do your part and shut up. If you care so much about this, get your vax and shut the fuck up. Is that clear?!

If there were a vaccine that insulated you from accidents, I would most definitely fight for my right to speed. Even if it got me into an accident! If I get into an accident and you're vaccinated against it, it's none of your business. To take away people's rights and body-sovereignty like this, is to treat them like children. Even if you see them as 'less evolved', they're adults and they have rights. If you take them away, you will see more insurrection-like incidents.

Leo has not seen the scientific-establishment from the inside. He doesn't know how deeply corrupt and biased it is. I have done scientific-research for 3 years. That's why I take 'the science' with a grain of salt, not as dogma. Fine, it's a solid justification for how the woke mob behaved. But, this doesn't make the behavior right, right?! Take your vaccine and shut up. Don't force others to take it. And let people say whatever they want about your vaccine. Consumerism 101, reviews are everything. The point of 'science' is to question it. As a researcher, I give people the right to question 'the science', because I don't hold it as dogma. And I do not advocate for it. It kills so much creativity and discovery-potential in science and tech. If you don't do this, it becomes the 'ministry of truth' as said in Orwell's 1984.

@something_else Again, you're talking about it in theory, in terms of ideas. I'm talking about it in practice, in terms of what they did. Please, apply your concepts to reality, see what it amounts to and then see how others perceive those actions.

How dare they support mandates?! You can sell it to me if you want to. But, if I don't want it and you're vaccinated, who gave you the right to force it?! To not have the vax is a huge taboo, socially. And you won't be allowed anywhere without it. Not on flights, not at work, not in government-buildings. That's pretty intolerant!

And communism is authoritarianism. In practice, not in theory. People lose property-rights, people get social credit for giving up body-sovereignty, the state gets absolute power to inject whatever the hell they want in the name of a 'vaccine' and they have emergency-authorization, aka you can't sue them if they choose to deliberately harm you through the vax. (I'm not saying they did, I'm saying that this is a prelude to something worse in the future)

I found it very important to inform you that your censorship of dissent towards what's being done is a support towards authoritarianism, not democracy. This is your Life-Purpose, this is the impact you're having on the world. You are destroying democracy with your own two hands by supporting authoritarianism. Is this what you want for the future generation?! Do you want them to live in a world where the state controls everything and they get to do nothing outside the rules? What if a Trump-figure gets power in that world?!

The woke people blindly supported their governments in the lockdowns and vax-mandates. And, they supported the violent, authoritarian crushing of protests for people's bodily autonomy to not get the vax in the face of vax-mandates. Why?! Because their favorite politicians were able to characterize the counter-movements as 'right-wing' and that's a big swear-word in woke culture. Also, never ever forget how they used social-media to censor dissent. And how the woke people turned 'conspiracy-theory' into a bad word, following the footsteps of the CIA. The world will not forget your sins, woke mob. In theory. In practice, wokeism is communism. In theory. And that's the far-right you're describing. In reality, right-wingers are just normal people who want normal things, like a family, religion, work, money, national identity.

You think they see the election as 'democratic'?! And they're going 'Oh, but we don't accept democracy, cuz we're fascists, so let's storm the democracy'?! Or, are they thinking 'the other side cheated, because communism is something that most people won't go with'?!

Tell me, then - why would they feel the need to escalate, if they saw the election as 'democratic'?!

You're assuming the existence of a 'democracy' when you say that. What you're forgetting, is that the world's leaders threw it out of the window in the pandemic. No 'election' is going to be seen as legitimate from this point on, because peaceful protesting doesn't work to collapse governments or to get any point across. Would you call what's happening in Sri Lanka a 'tantrum' too?! Or, do they have legitimate reasons to overthrow their fascist government for destroying them?!

Look harder, then.

This psychologically manipulates people into creating more and more edge-cases for the acceptability of authoritarianism. And, when people accept authoritarianism in more and more contexts, this gives them a free pass to take over everything. And those protests were violently crushed. Peaceful protests were met with brute-force. Never ever forget what they did to democracy when they did that. This is a destruction of democracy. The democratic way to deal with it was to sit down and have a proper conversation about it. My point is that you keep mentioning that 'wokeism is for democracy'. And I'm disproving what you're saying. This is not democracy at all, it's authoritarianism. The fact that the woke people are for authoritarianism when it's time to choose between authoritarianism and democracy, doesn't bode well for the future, I can tell you that much. Because humanity has a lot of upcoming problems, like AI, climate-change, more pandemics, WWIII, to name a tiny few. The battle for democracy is going to continue through those crises too.

They did outlaw protests in most countries during the pandemic. No social gatherings allowed. Look at what they did in Australia, Canada, the US, France. I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong. Because I know you're going to make a special case for the pandemic. What I'm saying is that this destroys democracy. What you're defending is not a democracy anymore, it's an authoritarian regime.

That is correct for business. But, politics is a pure, pure, pure power-grab. Politicians advance because of how well they manipulate the masses. The problem with politics and government is that once a Trump-figure is in power, there are no checks and balances. Because all of the checks and balances are under him! If a politician decides 'I want to destroy the event-management industry, because I'd like to push for more online events, it promotes what Mark Zuckerberg, the guy paying me billions wants', they can just enforce lockdowns! They can indiscriminately abuse their power and put pressure on the police, who are their lap-dogs, to ignore their corruption. If a common person has a little bit of psychedelic/weed on them, they go to jail for years. (Heck, even breathing freely is a crime at this point. They want to partially restrict our breath by enforcing masks.) But, if a politician invades an entire country for wrong reasons, they roam free! And, of course, buying the media is an age-old textbook trick they use to manipulate the masses' perceptions. Outlawing peaceful protests is just cold. That is where democracy flies out the window and we're into authoritarianism now. This was the one trust-factor that democratic politicians held. And, they've broken it in the pandemic. This makes it so they lose the right to the monopoly on violence. The point of protests is to be able to interact with them in a non-violent way. But, looks like they don't understand non-violence anymore. And they want to shut down non-violent communication. Fine, then. Be prepared for more insurrection-like situations happening!

And, becoming big takes only one thing - decisiveness. We keep assuming that the 'big guys' actually deserve to be there, because they're so much better than the plebes, in terms of character. They're not. They're just more decisive. The key to becoming big, is decisiveness. And to decide that corrupt people don't belong there!!

The problem the right has with the left isn't that they don't agree with what the left says in theory, the SJW-talk. They simply don't buy it, because the left's actions don't align with the words the left says. They say they're 'for equality', and they destroy men's lives for it. (MeToo) They say they're 'against racism', and they actively hate on white people. (BLM-riots) They say they're 'for LGBT', and they actively hate on straight people! (Backlash against the straight-pride parade) This is the real problem. No real solution to the social-justice issues will come out of this, until the people on the left truly walk their talk.