mr_engineer

More appropriately, they kill themselves cuz they're lonely. And the reason for that is that other people are narcissistic. Every individual is responsible for their own life and can change it, of course. But, if we're looking at collective issues, you have to look at macro-patterns to change those.

'Creepy' is just a swear-word. It doesn't have any real consequences. But, narcissism has actual negative consequences for society. Even religion couldn't weed them out of the gene-pool.

All of this is BS. It's not 'good feedback', it's not even intellectually honest. It's just a swear-word. If this were the case, religion would teach men how to not be creepy. It would be a sin, in religious terms. But, it's not. It's a really recent gossip-term that has no meaning.

Men kill themselves over this shit. Just admit that you're a narcissist and you don't give a shit, and you're being hypocritical when you accuse others of not having empathy. It's fine, it doesn't make you abnormally dysfunctional, just normally dysfunctional.

I'll tell you. Depending on the country, either he'd be beheaded, or thrashed to death by the mob of simps. If he escapes in single piece, his employer will get to know about the police case (because some simp will call the police on him) and his career ruined for good. Possible jail-time and possible court-time. Yeah.

Let's say, she made something up. 'He touched my ass' or something. What would happen? 'Believe all women', right?!

@Princess Arabia Let's consider the thought experiment that I posed in my last comment. What do you think would happen to the man in question?

Let's do a thought experiment. Take a woman you know to a public setting, have her stand beside a man, then, in 2 minutes, have her point a finger at him and yell 'CREEP!!' Watch what happens.

Doesn't apply to what I'm saying. A better analogy is 'I finally deciphered the idea of 'shit''.

I'm not worried about getting laid. The debate is important, though, cuz it makes more people see the truth. It raises our level of consciousness, collectively. At what point do we stop thinking with our dicks and take a stand for what's right? At what point, do we stop being simps and stop selling out to dysfunctional, manipulative women?! Do you want a woman who loves you or fears you? (Love is the opposite of fear. Love is 'pulling the other closer', fear is 'pushing the other away'.) And why do we enable women's fearful behavior, instead of reassuring them that there's nothing to be scared of?

You have the right to feel like punching someone in the face. But, do you have the right to act on that impulse and actually punch someone? I don't think so. But, the issue here isn't that they have the right to feel 'creeped out'. The issue here is that women react to this feeling by involving authorities and that the simps in the position of authority take the opportunity to take down a guy hitting on her and they 'take action' against you as a result. They abuse their power because the 'damsel in distress' involved them. First of all, it is a right. In fact, if you want to get laid, you have to approach. Then why do the simps in power take action against you if a woman calls you 'creepy'? It's called 'educating women about the rights they do have vs the rights they don't have'. And for good reason, it's not that now you get to turn feminist and you get to give women the license to throw every guy in jail. The court of law is chock-full of simps who rule in favor of women in divorce-situations. The difference is that slut-shaming is seen as a reality, but creep-shaming is not seen as a reality. You, who are giving me this lecture about 'how society works' and 'you should conform to society' - what are you doing to make society better? If the answer is 'nothing', you're just talking like a conservative fart who is defending dysfunctional norms. My vote goes to putting an end to dysfunctionality. What logical fallacies?

Buddy, I'm not saying that others shouldn't swear. I'm clarifying which words actually mean something and which words are just swear-words that mean nothing.

No, that's not the reason I posted it. The reason I posted it, is that I thought that it's something really serious, that 'maybe it is something that I'm doing wrong'. Then, when I really looked into it, it turned out to just be a swear-word! Do you take it seriously when someone swears at you? I don't. This is the point of disagreement. That everyone believes that it actually means something, when it doesn't.

Are you telling me, that being a lead in a Latin dance should take no prep on your side? All of the problems you listed are a result of lack of prep. You do the prep, you do the homework, you're set.

That's not the issue at hand here. The issue at hand is - how do you find a woman who can communicate properly? This word of 'creepy' is too common of a term to use and they throw it around willy-nilly. And, when you look into it, it's nothing, it's just a swear-word.

So, if I break a social-norm, she, like a good little defender of that norm, will use a swear-word to 'punish me'? Why should I want to deal with someone manipulative like that? Keep in mind that I'm not talking about doing something criminally wrong here, there are legal consequences for that.

But LEEEOOO, being 'creepy' is not a decision someone makes to begin with. It's something that other people choose to call you because you trigger some feelings in them. They're going to call you that no matter what you do. So, why bother?! All 'creepy' is, is a swear-word.

There are women who will call you 'creepy' when you be yourself. This doesn't solve the problem of women calling you 'creepy' and having their simps come after you. That's not the real question here. Because 'being creepy' is not a decision you made to begin with. Rather, the label of 'creepy' is a label that other people put on you, because they feel a certain way and they blame you for that feeling. What's your responsibility, is to not be a criminal and to respect consent.

Fine, all of you are perfect, I'm a piece of shit. You happy now?

The fact that you're posting here, refutes your own logic.

No, that's not a sign that I don't look within. I don't have to believe that the entire outside world is perfect to 'look within'. In fact, you have to know the problems with the world to know what to adapt to and what impact to have. Fine, I'm the biggest loser on the planet. Not only am I a loser, I'm insane and I'm making everything up, I'm essentially lying. You happy now?! A 'crab' is food for meat-eaters, not for everyone. Also, 'crab in a bucket', metaphorically means, naysayers. People telling you to not be yourself because 'women don't like that'.

I'm actually interested in what's a crime and what's not a crime. Because the simps in power try to criminalize stuff that's not a crime, only to feed their own ego. Both of these sentences are kinda contradictory, don't you think? On the one hand, you say that it weeds out bad reproductive choices. Meaning, it would weed out the guys who are lazy, unproductive losers, who have no money. (Because money is what has survival-value in today's world) On the other hand, what you're saying is that pick-up, or changing your social behavior to match what women think is 'normal' (meaning, smiling when she makes eye-contact, opening the door for her, etc.), can manipulate whether she feels creeped out by you or not, just like that. If actual survival-wisdom were getting conveyed to her through this emotional response, a PUA would not be able to manipulate the emotional response to his end, right?! Meaning, it would not be a response to a behavior, it would be a response to an actual incompatibility, right?!

The choice to dance with you or not has nothing serious behind it. If I were in your position, I would not really care about that. The important thing you have to focus on, is chemistry. So, when you go in there, you figure out how the dance-night is organized, what the schedule is. Meaning, you map out the dance-floor and you pick a location to dance. Then, you look at all the women and you think about who you like and why. Meaning, you evaluate your chances of creating chemistry with them. I don't care if all of this thinking means that you're the last guy standing without a partner, this is what you do. Then, you take your shot with that specific woman, after negotiating the logistic obstacles. If you're feeling nervous, you do some 'warm-up' dancing with whoever you can get. Then, if you catch her alone, you approach her immediately and 'sweep her off her feet'. Doing that takes some prep, and I suggest you do that before going for it. And, check if there are problematic patterns in your dancing. For example, I've noticed that a lot of guys struggle to let go of their partner's hand when the dance-step says so, because of their own psychological issues. Or, you may like how a certain woman looks when she dances with someone else, but you'll be scared to approach her yourself. You have to work on patterns like these on your own time, because they will keep you from embodying your masculinity on the dance-floor.

What's wrong with wanting to solve external problems? If you can see that I'm hiding from something and that something is 'within me', you might as well just tell me what that 'something' is. This is the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever seen in my entire life. If they were living the life that you're describing, they would not be liking posts of Instagram-models and commenting needy comments there. Do you know how much money OnlyFans girls make from simps?! On a serious note, why do you want to commodify women? You talk about women as if they're food items. Why enable this mentality?!

@mmKay The problem with this definition is that it mixes up behaviors that are criminal and behaviors that are not criminal, that result from bad game and lack of social-calibration. Or, even just flat out narcissism, but you're fundamentally a good person who doesn't want to hurt someone. (It is possible to be a narcissist who follows a morality of non-violence.) The whole point of this idea is to demonize male sexuality and to project all of your issues with sex, onto men. There is no constructive reason to have this word be a part of dating discourse and it should be eliminated.