cosmic fool

I know you asked for Leo, but hoping my insights are useful and can bring some peace. The fantastical realms of DMT, of bread crumbs and "playing the game", eternal hide and seek, and God realization as your post describes it, are not the final realizations one can have (I realize that this can be a loaded phrase...wink ). The fantastic realms and bliss are convincing because of exactly that, they are fantastic and unbelievably blissful. Some would say they are the pinnacle of human experience, in a sense I am inclined to agree. In short, you are still in relative reality, there is still a some-thing (even if it is God) experiencing some-thing else. Things can be reduced further from here This is nice to know, because you don't have to carry whatever burden comes to you from these moments of God realization. These spooks to your ego, unless cultivating more experiences in God-realization leads you to eventually put these ideas down and move on, or allows your body/mind/consciousness to expand to allow for growth, you don't have to put yourself through these trials if you would prefer not to. You'll see, you can have many of these experiences (whether voluntarily or involuntarily) but ultimately you'll be left unsatisfied, and asking "is there more?" - practically speaking, involuntarily insights might be your spirit yearning for growth. It can be speaking to your earnestness, and maybe some potential. I can't condone the use of drugs, but growth is typically a good thing - don't get in the way of your own growth by doing things you know are counter to your growing The goal in spirituality is to move that meter stick we call "identity" further and further back. With God realization, you realize and focus on the fact of your consciousness, but this consciousness rests on an identity, mistakenly thinking "I am God, I am the single thing, only thing, all things, everywhere." But there is nothing that holds this identity, the identity we think these particular thoughts are happening to does not really exist. There is really only consciousness, removed from any sense of it thinking "I am God" or anyone owning it You must continue moving that meter stick back until all subject-object experience and relativity (not reality, don't misread me) dissolves. Ramana would say that your "I" sense, the feeling of I goes into and dissolves in the heart. Buddha would say you are extinguished, like a candle. How do you do this? You continue studying, reading insights into enlightenment, you study and read and learn and apply all that you can. Follow an established path, find a teacher. My own recent insights have emphasized the importance of developing the virtuous qualities that Buddhism extols - honestly it is an excellent path if you ever consider it The journey ends when it has ended, so you will keep making discoveries and removing layers of the identity until you are finished. Finally, be mindful about where the 'fantastic' sort of thoughts can lead - if it is time to hang up the phone, hang up the phone, don't unnecessarily pursue the realizations via drugs if you don't have to (not sure how much/often you are using). The 'fantastic' thoughts can be a bit ungrounding if pursued too far or in the wrong context and that could mean extra suffering for you and for anyone else who would have to deal with the fallout. God realizations (especially with drugs, but not always) can lead to some wackiness, no worries, stay calm and stay safe

Great post, thanks for sharing Are you familiar with Steven Norquist's essay on enlightenment? I've been all over the place with god realization experiences, but I had my first real taste of no self while reading his essay. It was freaky I'm at an interesting point on my journey, for so long I've been all into chakras and healing, then "enlightenment" (peak experiences) and God realization, life is a game, life is a cosmic joke, etc etc. I was on that track for so long Even now I sit here and I think, oh please let God realization be the real end. It can't be true that the final truth is abiding in no self.. Anywho. No self contrasts so supremely with every other teaching I've devoted myself too. I'm learning what words describe it so I can read more about it... I'm also looking again at teachers that I had put aside as being too weak sauce cause it wasn't dripping in cosmic God realized bliss lol.. like Adyashanti, Jed McKenna is enlightened too Have you "crossed over" permanently yourself? It IS the freakiest thing and I struggle. Adya seemed mostly fine with it but Jed and even Steven describe all of the difficulties with letting go, Steven wrote a small book called Haunted Universe about his experience, and McKenna even calls no-self enlightenment a boobyprize You describe it very well. Although, I also wonder if the linked Leo videos are more helpful or harmful for realizing no self, I get the impression that even though he's describing a big empty space, that maybe that space has a little "self" in there somewhere. He's also steered clear of no self teachings since Here's Steven Norquist's essay if you haven't seen it http://hauntedpress.net/What_is_Enlightenment.html Other essays http://hauntedpress.net/Essays_other_writings.html Best wishes

Hello there! My first post on actualized.org. What an honor and distinction for you, lol . Thanks for having me! Yes I believe there are teachers and teachings out there that talk directly about God realization First that comes to mind is Meher Baba https://everipedia.org/God-realization_(Meher_Baba) He directly speaks to how the non-God realized state is the result of imagination “The universe is the outcome of imagination. Then why try to acquire knowledge of the imaginative universe instead of plumbing the depths of your real Self?” “What is the meaning of God-Realization? It means to become one with God. By thinking and imagining, one can never become one with God. Union is possible only after the death of thoughts and imagination — the mind must die..." https://meherspiritualuniversity.org/108sayings.html "This whole universe, with all its vastness, grandeur and beauty, is nothing but sheer imagination." "The existence of this whole phenomenal world is all due to your mind. It all exists because your mind works. Once the mind stops, the world of phenomena ceases to be" I didn't really select many quotes from this site, but it contains many, many references to imagination, infinity, God, soul etc. Be careful, anyone reaching for God realization, **don't hurt yourself** that is not what is required http://www.meherbabadnyana.net/life_eternal/Book_One/Creation.htm I hope this is helpful to you. That last site was really blowing me away.