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I can agree with some of this statement although I'm not sure on its overall sentiment. Yes I agree that most of of us live waking life within a dream like state, and almost as many of us live our sleep States in lazy blackness. If the goal is awareness during the waking state than the phenomena of lucid dreaming would seem to be its counter part during the sleep state. We can mix the two and speak of their seamlessness only in vaugeries since most, if not all, would lack the discipline to achieve such a state even if it were the goal. The occurance of awareness during the sleep state is as a phenomena, definitely not a myth. It is completely achievable and anyone who disputes it's occurance can only be arguing their inexperience. Anyone who has experienced a super lucid dream, one in which percieved volition is attained through the accumulation of awareness can begin to see that which may be a truly seamless existence.

This is not as damning as it reads and I believe I regret less than it may convey, but thank you for the kind response. Quite beautiful.

BuI find one of the most enjoyable aspects of dreaming to be the ability to drop subject object differentiation. It goes beyond whether your experiencing in the first or third person, you are quite literally the entire substrate or dreamscape. Every dream character is you, the ground is you. This can be focused on within a lucid dream very convincingly, it is more amazing than I can describe with words. As far as dream symbols and analysis I am a firm believer that no one besides yourself can effectively interpret your dreams and that dream dictionaries are not worth the paper they are printed on. Losing lucidity or waking up upon its outset is a huge stumbling block for every new oneronaut. It is such a rush to finally achieve that the excitement just wakes you up, this took me a long time to get over. Once you get used to entering into lucidity it's becomes less shocking and all the stabilizing methods that you read about during waking life come back to you. Maintaining awareness, or lucidity, is also a huge challenge, almost as hard as maintaining awareness during the waking state. But the 2 compliment each other and are intact exactly the same thing. It is for this reason I would say the dream practice is completely worth the effort and should not be seen as a separate part of your training but as a continuation of your day. Where ever you find awareness sleep or not you gain the opportunity to explore.

I understand that what I see and percieve are not untouched, and I understand that the handling of such input occurs to me before I have an opportunity to react to it. And I understand that at my best moments I am not reacting to it but living through it. And then I can breathe. But of course it is there ready to shape all that enter, and again every face begins to hate me. Every word begins to wish my death. Trees conspire to crush me. I used to shy away, now I can only smile and assure all outside , worry not, I am almost undone.

Taking a dump? Was that necessary? I suppose if we drop all filters it flies, but when taken with the context of my question does it relàte at all. Should I be offended by reference to your stinky brown shit? Does it stink more than I deserve? Does a quick name drop of Allan Watts" or something like that " anawer the actual question to the validity of these forums at large? And who might I ask are " we" Do you speak for more than yourself? Do you have that right here? If so I think I might be done. And you all might rejoice. Which is fine Alone

I have just posted a response within a forum topic on lucid dreaming. This is the first time I have ever posted to a public forum. And while I notice the context of such a medium, and realize the awesome jolt of ego I just experienced through the posting of my very own opinion upon a specific topic, I can't help but wonder about the personal ego gratification involved. Could I be undoing what I seek? Is this gratification delitarious? Will I be thrown from the opportunity to know by the powers that be?

Lucidity has become my life over the past year, you could say my ego's playground. If you are really interested In quick results I suggest checking out Stephen laberge as he is the father of Western lucidity induction technique. From here there is an extensive trail that can be followed backward through history thousands of years. Tibetan dreàm yoga would be an example, and a current resource in this would be B. Allen Wallace. Do not make the mistake of underestimating lucidity, or shall I say awareness within the sleeping state as just an opportunity for some fun. To cheapen it to this would be to lessen what is in actuality a great portion of your time on this earth, the sleeping state. But to to become aware of the time we waiste is of utmost importance. To dream as life, and to live as dream uninterrupted would be my goal.