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Come on It's okay man, no worries. I am truly not interested in any type of guru/practice anymore, because it becomes such an unhealthy "relationship" where you can't even ask pinpoint questions to the person you are watching online and get some answers. IMO this type of relationship leads to more dangerous dogmas. So, why would I want to apply a practice, before even get the logic of it prior to it?

lol, I was seeking but not anymore since you don't allow my point to get across. anyway, I wish you all the best.

You are coping buddy. I can see through your attempts to rationalize, deny, or avoid the real problem here.

Just because we are aware of this "space", doesn't mean we are entitled to know what it is. You are theorizing about it as well. You are the one who is attributing 'imaginary' qualities to the space that we both experience right now. In your experience, you don't know whether that "space" is God or not. But the good news is maybe your theory is right! And yes, I stopped meditating and watching gurus years ago. I don't like it anymore.

This is where you assume that consciousness in the background is infinite. However, there is no evidence for your claim; it could be a finite or ephemeral phenomenon. I simply mean that "God consciousness" and human consciousness could be separate things. I was trying to get to the core evolutionary causality that creates a 'mind,' and what this 'mind' is. Since you didn't answer twice, let's leave it at that.

I don't know, I didn't think that far. Maybe the subtlest, most dense, and vastest layer of existence could be that. Ofc this is pure speculation. We store information because I think it is the only evolutionary trajectory for conscious control to emerge.

It seems like your explanation of the mind is kinda similar to my understanding of "finite consciousness", which I equated to the mind. You didn't answer my questions, these are important to understand if there are infinite amount of consciousness or not. 1)Why don't you perceive your consciousness as infinite right now? 2)According to the order you mentioned, how does Consciousness cause/create the mind?

So in summary, you are saying that there is a Universal Infinite consciousness, there is no such thing as human consciousness. A human being consists only of the mind, brain, and body. Then how come we perceive the infinitely powerful consciousness as partial/finite? When we say mind, we underestimate awareness, because if you can notice the feeling in your foot, this awareness needs a definition beyond the mind, or we need to define the mind as neural activity in the whole body, not only in the brain. According to the order you mentioned, how does Consciousness cause/create the mind?

@Dodo I don't know what you are talking about, Are you claiming that there is no finite consciousness and the brain acts as a receiver of the infinite consciousness?

A subject can be an object, an object can be a subject. We are objects and subjects. Our consciousness is subject and object. At the natural, at ease state of consciousness, you don't have to do any action or effort to recognize you exist. You simply know you exist by recognizing you being conscious with your consciousness without any effort. The whole notion of "looks for itself and turns around" is a mistake, because it can't look at itself that way, because that would make it two, instead, consciousness is recognizing itself as the result. How consciousness occurs is the mystery, my view is neural activity starts to use its own outputs as inputs, so it forms connections to itself, when this becomes as vast as enough, as complex as enough, as fast as enough, then consciousness slowly emerges. Why does it form connections to itself? you might ask, for evolutionary purposes, because there is no greater path than this because it will allow more possibilities via conscious control. meaning it is the only evolutionary trajectory. When I say mind, I mean cognition, not thoughts. You somehow put a distinction between mind and consciousness. But for me, they are very very similar, so it is hard for me to deny the possibility of them being the same thing. When I say I have consciousness or I am conscious, these words/thoughts have nothing to do with natural cognition of awareness, I don't need to think to be aware. And in my opinion, I am not consciousness, I claim to have consciousness. I don't get your point, on one hand, I think you imply you are conscious during deep sleep, on the other hand, you say you are not conscious during deep sleep. Being conscious of nothing means you are not conscious.

What are you aware of in deep sleep? While dreaming you are awake to a certain extent. But in deep sleep, there is almost nothing. 99% of your awareness is gone, maybe there are times when it is 100% in anesthesia or something.

Why not? I have been following Leo and Forum for at least 3 years, Weirdly enough even though I disagree with the most fundamental points, I agree with a lot of other things. I don't know what you mean. I meant conscious people are doing a test on another unconscious person who is in deep sleep. I don't think we should just accept that the information is "stored" in an external being/format. Yes God might store it, in Islam there is Lawh-i Mahfouz, Hinduism and Buddism are influenced by "Akashic Records" , if I am not wrong in Judaism and Christianity there is the Book of Life. They might be right.

You have literally zero evidence for your claim, while I have many studies and tests supporting my claim. I think most likely the mind is the consciousness, or consciousness is the conscious part of the mind, not sure. "consciousness cannot be perceived"... you are obviously confused, right? Knowing that you are conscious is you recognizing your consciousness with your consciousness. I don't care about enlightenment at all and I don't know what it is. Also if it's not an experience, there is nothing to chase.

You are not aware when you are in deep sleep. Except for basic functions that are necessary in deep sleep that is receptible to discern danger or something important etc, Your consciousness will not process anything else. If you yell at someone who is in deep sleep, the sound wave intensity will trigger an unconscious chain of reaction that will wake the person up by activating the consciousness again. That is not a conscious process, a completely automatic, analog, unconscious one. When you wake up, you don't necessarily need to know that you had a dream, because you might have forgotten. But you know you slept well, and assume you were in deep sleep, because of the lack of counter-evidence. You reflect back and assume, that was a a deep sleep, you never say I am in deep sleep right now.

We are neither finite consciousness, nor infinite consciousness. We have consciousness along with many unconscious biomechanisms. If we were consciousness, when we are in deep sleep, do we cease to exist? Do we say, I got shut down? No, because many functions of us are still working when we are in deep sleep. Only our consciousness gets shut down temporarily.

When you say "everything is consciousness", it is as meaningless as saying everything is air, water, electricity, or energy. Just like how religions claim man is made out of soil or water, it is not literally the case. We are not Soilman, and we are not Waterman, We contain certain aspects from the soil, and from water, we are a biological entity with many different components. Similarly, we are not the finite consciousness, NOR we are the infinite consciousness. Consciousness is part of us along with many unconscious bio mechanisms. If you were consciousness, when you are in deep sleep, do you cease to exist? Do you say, I got shut down? No, because many functions of you still working when you are in deep sleep. Only your consciousness gets shut down temporarly.

All is consciousness?! A rock is consciousness?! What kinda of consciousness, can't even be aware of itself or anything else at all?

I understand that you feel the urge to protect how you view your own idol, but sadly you don't even know your own idol. harsh reality.

He precisely and purposefully didn't claim to be God within that quote, There is nothing contradictory to what I said. I did. Just like how you measure the start and end of an ocean under a hurricane. With enough intelligence.

As far as I understand after half an hour, he thinks understanding God is impossible. Such reverse-engineered rhetorical language usually doesn't come from a healthy constructive mind, but I think it is not wrong, and IMO its purpose is to reveal the blind believers, and truth seekers. and what does that have to do with what I said?

Where does an ocean start and where does it end in a hurricane with intense rain? Do you want to measure something that is constantly expanding or contracting? I never said we can measure it. I said it is measurable.

They might not have assumed you have innate abilities, They might have acknowledged your natural ease with learning new things or taking risks. Not everyone has the luxury of learning new things to risk their already fragile cognition.

Human consciousness is finite, you are neither omnipotent nor omniscient. The literal definition of finite is something that is limited and measurable.

Why wouldn't finite consciousness occupy space and time? In my opinion since it is finite, it has to have a localization, and the most dense/active parts of it are within the brain.

Are you referring to boundaries as if they are not mistakes but features that enrich life by being contrast? If so, I agree. if not, I can't even relate or understand.