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I believe all of the sports you mentioned let's even include WWE to that, can become art to display high-level mastery , respect, class and obviously self-control. But sadly we only have what we have, soulless, fame-hunting, money-digging athletes, mostly. so in a way, it is a learning progress for them too. Personally, I watch some of the big fights to watch their growth, their backstory and to observe what the market has.

Watching porn feels like torture to me. And I am not even talking about it in the ethical context. When you think about their drama, traumas, backstories, acting pressure, social pressure, and financial struggles, meaningless sex and masturbation lose their value.

this is the point I am trying to make, your message is contradictory when I say something to you about how to do X or how X functions, you say but i don't exist, so i can't do it. then you say something about Y and how it works, and you are saying this is how i should do it, and suddenly I begin to exist? so , either you believe you don't exist but I do. or you believe I don't exist but you do. and the last possibility is that you are not even aware of the contradiction within what you say. I think it is the third one. who is gonna let go of everything?! because you said i don't even exist...

you just want a new reality. And you want it so intensely from your core that dictates every action of yours. But it is dangerous, you can't rip up every structure you have, structure is how you function, you have to build and repair while you are destroying useless parts. You don't care about anything? are you sure? except the drive within you that drills for the removal of structures to open up the "reality", which is so definite, impossible to stop... let me correct it for you, "new reality". other than that , it is your heart, not my business, except your if heart wants and leads to what i say. i am here.

That sounds nice.

What i mean is why is this deep desire inside of you to see the "reality", what is the core motivation of you, do you want to make a big change in this world, or you don't care whether you die or live, you just want to get rid your current paradigm?

Why do you want to remove all the structures?

that doesn't mean anything related to my point, just because some things are unfolding and influencing your life doesn't mean you can't unfold things.

you silly dUCK , that is want he wants. try to read the context instead of projecting your memorized nonsense, what else i can expect from a "scholar" anyways. HA.

it is like scratching your left ear with your right hand, I mean if you are okay with it, and consciously doing it, go for it. it can have benefits, but if you feel like you are losing control of your actions , that is bad.

Sacrificing one's life to stop the murder of newborn children , stopping a genocide of a nation with their streets filled with dismembered organs, and it is with his own consent, who are you to think you have the right to judge?

Your mind is not the one that does not stop drilling, it is you who does not want to stop drilling. because you will it is your mind who does it. and you hate it.

He is a hero. and there is literally nothing you can say that can change that. Not all of them. only good ones who can be considered as heroes.

Are you saying mentally ill people can not be heroes ? you are projecting.

Hero.

@James123Make an effort to actually understand my points, because you didn't even understand anything at the core I was pointing to. I am assuming you are a follower of OSHO, so, you probably don't even believe in "effort". because there is no one to make an effort, correct? if so, let me know , so i can adjust my responses.

We will always have different contradicting ideas, and even though I think this forum is filled with so many delusional people, I still think there is great potential shining from here. And English is not our main language (I assume for James ), we sometimes acquire different words to point out the same things, and it can become tiresome to get a good understanding of what the other person is trying to say.

1) You can't claim something can not exist absolutely just because you are not aware of it, because you have limited understanding right now. you can't even prove it. 2) Cognition is evident self-awareness that needs no learning for healthy humans. Even if I was born in a cave I would know I was self-aware if I was healthy. 3)No. I understand your point, you think we can consider every single idea as false or true all together and it doesn't matter from God's perspective. But it is wrong. Let's say I designed a simple game where I have an apple and an orange on the table. I claim that this game of mine has one simple goal: to win, one must simply switch the positions of the apple and the orange. That's it. From the absolute perspective, if anyone wants to win MY game, they have to follow my goal. Otherwise, it wouldn't be winning my game, but only fulfilling a fantasy in their own mind. So, from the absolute perspective, if that person wants to figure out the TRUTH of how to win my game, they have to follow my rule. Therefore, there is an idea that is absolutely true, because it exists within the contextual subjective territory which is limited to the scope of my rules. So, from the absolute perspective, if someone wants to win my subjective game, that is the absolutely true path.

How does a baby learn a thought without even knowing what a thought is in the first place? = cognition Before thoughts, there was cognition. even though i still don't understand what you mean by illusion, let me go along with you. You have personal preferences that means you like certain things and you don't like certain things, but the important thing is what you like and dislike can change over thought activity, for example if you believe an idea that makes you happy and like certain things, can be easily gone once you realize that idea was false in the first place. And similarly delusional thoughts might lead you to seek supportive thoughts for itself. From internal or external.

if my thoughts literally meant nothing for you , you wouldn't even understood what I said. So you probably are not talking in literal sense. nor in general. so I am assuming rather than "thoughts" in general, only certain type of thoughts mean nothing to you, correct? Because you seem to care a lot about your own thoughts... or thoughts from others that support your thoughts...

thoughts carry meaning, what do they mean to you? what kind of illusion carries useful meaning?

I don't get your point at all. are you saying all thoughts are fake? and meaningless? functionless? evolutionary error ? if so, you are delusional.

What does that even mean? thoughts have function , some thoughts might be illusory if they are based on delusion. do not generalize it to all thoughts.

And what is the biggest illusion you are referring to? Are you referring to thoughts as illusions?

What is your point? Are you trying to say everything including thoughts are gathered from external?