Anton Rogachevski

When an ex-hamas man debates for Israel better than Israel. Counter his points, if you are such pro debaters. The saddest part of it all is that the hope for peace between Israel and Palestine diminished greatly because of 7.10 and the aftermath, but if you only hope for peace when it's easy, you are not really for peace. I guess peace can be very challenging sometimes. It came to the unfortunate point where if you say peace, you are immediately judged for being too left wing. Sad very sad. But I didn't lose hope, and I hope you didn't either.

Illegal building from both sides are demolished.

Yes and it was occupied by Jordan too, but you don't seem to have trouble with that. You just don't like us, and considering all the antisemitism in the world, I'm not even surprised.

But it's not Jordan, but considered part of the palestinian state. You see what's the trouble? There was no claim to the land, and therefore it's legal status is under dispute. In order for the occupation to be illegal the occupier has to refuse peace offers but we signed the Oslo Accords and PLO too, which means they agreed to our presence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

@Raze UN is notoriously biased against us and is considered by many to be antisemitic. Until 67 it was in the hands of Jordan. Why didn't they make it a palestinian state? In order for the occupation to be legal they have to offer them self determination.

Expanding along side PA expansion. I'm no expert in the legal sphere, but those lands are under dispute from what I know (C Areas) which means that they don't belong to either side legally.

@Raze Maybe that would have happened if not for 7.10, which was detrimental for their agenda. https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-foreign-aid-gaza-strip-611b2b90c3a211f21185d59f4fae6a90 Hamas likes all the aid because it means they can save their money for rockets and instead of spending it on infrastructure. The blockade purpose is to prevent militarization, which wouldn't be a problem if the IDF stayed there.

That's one of the reasons for 7.10 They hated that all the world saw that Israel is normal and good, and not evil like they want to imagine. Let's not forget that the "blockade" is also from the egyptian side.

Bc hamas was stealing all the money and buying rockets.

@Raze Until 7.10 the blockade was gradually being lifted giving more permits and fishing areas. As we can see it didn't help. The hateful genocidal attack was a religious one, that's why it's called the El Aksa flood. You can't negotiate with terrorists, their whole existence depends on you being an enemy, and if there's no enemy there's no purpose for them to exist.

@Raze IDF left Gaza and painfully expelled Gush Katif, which resulted in Hamas gaining authority and making the lives of Palestinians miserable. They got so much money from Qatar, but it all went to rockets to shoot at civilians. The people of Gaza are killed and tortured by Hamas. Is that actually what tou want to happen in Yehudia Samaria? (It's a fact that 80% support Hamas and they will be elected) Half a million of Israelis live here peacefully along side the Palestinians.

They never wanted us and opposed violently from day one, they refused all deals which involved any part of land given to us. It's a part of Hamas' amendment to erase us from existence. 67' deal was viable in 67', but no deal is ever viable forever. Of course they regret it! Because every time they refuse the next deal gets worse and worse. I'm sorry but I think it's stubbornness, xenophobia and plain stupidity on their part. Israel is full of left wing activists and peace organisation working to solve this. Gay Palestinians get asylum in Israel. When palestinians get a work permit they feel safe to walk in any part of Israel, but an Israeli can't even enter a palestinian village without fear. (There are many cases where Israelis were killed that way) There's no value for human life for them. Sinnuar said to his dentist in prison in one meeting that he would be ok with tens of thousands of palestinians die for his cause. That's exactly what happened - That was the plan! You ignored my question: why doesn't hamas surrender? So much pain and suffering could have been avoided so simply. The meta problem with your arguments is that you don't offer solutions, but only condemn us. But what the fuck can we do now? What would you do if you were the Israeli government? Extreme shia Islam, extreme homophobia, violent segregation of women and the glorification of death are baked into their culture: https://photos.app.goo.gl/DmyAgMNmQ3RkgbuC7

Can't think of one part more relevant than another here.

This debate is newb level, just listen to some pro level Destiny debates. He's a liberal but somehow he sees that Israel is not entirely wrong here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_kjk5zeE8&t=9499s&pp=ygUORGVzdGlueSBpc3JhZWw%3D

@Leo Gura History is a science. After this is over there should be an investigation to decide that. I'm not informed enough to make any intelligible statements.

Yes a very "good" treatment - shooting rockets, exploding buses, kidnaping babies and decapitating people. (Did I miss anything?) Also the "good" way in which they treat women and gay people. Do you know that they murder women freely for "respect" of the family.

This is gaslighting, saying that all my thoughts are nonsensical. Please elaborate on where you think I'm wrong. Stop looking for the devil outside, you are the devil! Face it, stop trying to justify yourself by not minding your own business.

Your racist mind can't fathom that jewish people can be from many ethnicities. My grandfather was a jew from Poland that fought in the second world war against the Nazis.

We should have two states, and I'm very hopeful the Palestinian Authority will one day be the Palestinian government that can thrive side by side with us, it'a already almost the case, only takes a declaration. The idea was a Jewish state that would be a safe haven for Jewish people, who were homeless for 2000 years and were persecuted for just being jewish. From day one the natives didn't welcome us and didn't respect our identity. What would you do if you were the jewish people before the founding of the state? Would you keep being homeless? Wandering, hoping people won't harm you and won't hate you?

@Leo Gura disagree. There's no other army that did more than us to secure civilian lives. It's a very tragic outcome but Hamas could have given up and handed us the hostages and there would have been 0 civilian casualties.

@Leo Gura they don't pose a security threat anymore, because they've accepted their fate and submitted to you. Now who's gaslighting? What do you do if your neighbors shoot at you? Ask them nicely for peace? I used to think that Yitzhak Rabin was right that we shouldn't have settled the Yehudia Samaria, but if we didn't Hamas would take it over and then 7.10 would come from both sides. Yes I agree it's not fair for the Palestinians that we built Israel on their land, but I don't think there was much choice. Antisemitism didn't go away just yet. The jews of europe before 1933 were trying to let go of their national identity and blend in as you say we should, but hitler opened the records and dug up jewish origins from a couple of generations before. It's a fact that we don't have a home other than Israel. It's our home we want to be safe. And we are peaceful, but it takes two to tango. They don't play ball and hadn't from day one.

The ego says believe the things that confirm your bias the most.

@Leo Gura So your land doesn't belong to you either, and you ethnically cleansed the native americans. It just enough time passed so you can forget it and pretend you are better.

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