Anton Rogachevski

@Someone here So how are they different? Isn't that a meaningless statement then? Like 1=1?

Finally something that starts to make sense! Thank you for your reply.

@Breakingthewall So where's God in your conception? How does he interact or relate to what you call "devilliry". My question was ontological in nature not theoretical or metaphorical.

@Santiago Ram @Hojo My question is the same. How do you know that? How certain are you?

How do you know that?

Leo, is that how you experience reality?

@Leo Gura I can't see why you say animals are zombies and that they can't recognize beauty. Their consciousness is probably not that much different from ours, except ours is more complex. Sure they don't have ideas and abstraction abilities like ours but simple direct experience of the senses, some basic recognition of symmetry and the release of dopamine as a result of biological evolutionary programming may trigger a feeling of beauty I presume. I don't know why I have to prove or anyone has to prove the existence of beauty. But if one would want to theoretically I guess it would be as following: One day when we could scan a brain and separate the experience of beauty we could say here this is beauty, it consists of these frequencies in the brain. If you can make a conscious robot that can have the same experience of beauty, would that be proof? ------ About the limitation of rationality part, I don't think rationality is one of the frames, but a meta tool to analyze them all.

It's not like your hardware is much different to ours. You did feed it many weird substances. How is it in a practical sense? Is your life more amazing and fulfilling post enlightenment?

I'll grant you that logic is part the infinite hallucination that you call Reality, but I'm highly skeptical that the inside of the cave is all there is. I don't believe the hallucination just yet. Since I'm not yet enlightened, I still believe there may be something we don't see or can grasp or know outside of perception. I also highly doubt the ability of a monkey jungle brain like ours to actually understand anything about ultimate reality. I'm even skeptical of the ability of skepticism to properly question delusion. So I don't even know how deeply I don't know anything at all. I guess this is an infinite hallucination.

@Leo Gura Logic is the grammer of the way thoughts are interacting. The fact that logic can hold a paradox shows that it can't be truth. A paradox reveals to us how inadequate thought actually is for grasping reality.

The baboon is truth, the banana is truth. It doesn't need to think about the banana or equate a banana with a banana in order to be God, it already is it, even though it's not conscious of it. If logic is Truth than anything is. But it's not so.

It can only work within a logical framework. But logic is not Truth.

Since self-deception is caused by the self, wouldn't it make sense to ask for guidance from outside the self and ask the therapist: "Where am I deceiving myself?" After more than a year in classic CBT therapy I can say that you can make a lot of progress and discover many hidden patterns of behaviour that you'd never even imagined you had. The therapist sees it all so clear, it's amazing actually.

@Leo Gura Leo, isn't 1=1 a meaningless statement? So truth isn't even worth talking about, because it only consists of meaningless self-canceling statements like: "God wants for you what you want for yourself." (Which in some way is true and profound if you still think God is something external outside of reality.)

@Breakingthewall Agree. It's almost impossible to truly understand someone else, cause we don't have access to their experience.

@Lyubov Thank you dear fellow traveler

@Breakingthewall I also used to think it's a scam. It took me half a year to let go of all these ego defences to see that I'm simply resisting change. The ego apparently has a tough outer shell.

@Lyubov Some of these beliefs are part of a trauma structure, a scar. It's not always as easy as just changing the narrative. My low self esteem, I am aware of, I'm always trying to re write it, but something deep down doesn't believe the update and it just won't accept the new narrative.

@Lyubov Thank you for your reply, I will surely check him out. My therapists is teaching me to challenge all the beliefs that cause me pain. I agree with Braking, there are no shortcuts I think. It's only slowly chipping at the massive web of wrong beliefs and stupid immature patterns.

I wouldn't say it's completely irrelevant, there has to be at least some trust in their experience and judgment ability. He doesn't care about your metaphysics, or whether you think that you are god or not, he only cares that you are happy and have no problems functioning normally.

@Flowerfaeiry On the contrary I am feeling very amused when discovering all the self deception. Being hard on yourself is also self deception so I'm not being hard on myself, or at least I'm trying not to.

You are it, the hand doesn't need to touch itself it is already itself as being. Being is the only true knowing.

I said it's only hallucination that can be known. You know it by being it you are hallucination. I just don't know what "the whole world" means actually.

What do you mean by "known"? If everything you know is a hallucination so how can it be said that you know anything but infinite hallucination?

@Hojo They say the younger you are the quicker the therapy will work. It takes years because ego actually resists therapy and will not back down or trust the therapist that easily. It took me half a year to only let go of that defence.