Anton Rogachevski

Complexity is the result of trying to explain the unexplainable - It's a good exercise for the brain. Intellectuality is a highly satisfying practice. Awakening without trying to explain it, is like going to milk a cow without a bucket. A simple brain needs a simple path, a complex brain needs a complex path, for the mind is like a labirinth, and the labirinth's size and difficulty is related to the mind's capabilty. Getting awakaining is simple, but the embodiment of it requires effort. Being liberated and without purpose is the same as not being liberated. What are you going to do? Just sit in your room peacful? How is it diffrent than a heroin addict which sits in his room and looking for peace via the drug.

I'm sorry if I offended you dear sir. The answer is my selfish' wisdom hungry and preachy ego. Or another answer could be God.

Meanwhile please contemplate: "Who's cultivating wisdom?""Who is contemplating, observing and collecting information?"

You tell me that all wisdom is self-produced, yet you use language and terms which you didn't produce, you have read many books you haven't written, then how can you still claim to have produced all your wisdom?

Let's have a little thought exercise - Imagine that a person is born in an imaginary country where no such ideas exist: experience, information, experimentation, observation, contemplation, spirituality. What would he do to be wise?

It takes two to form a relationship, but to truly learn, the only "relationship" to concern yourself with - is with yourself, which is the only one that exists anyway.

When I meet an open minded person I can talk about advanced topics, question things that would trigger most people, get very deep, and even gain wisdom from him. When two brains are on the same frequency, they integrate into a "Brain Storm" dynamic - On such a communication level both brains are basically like a wet sponge and dry sponge put together. The wet one isn't better by any means, it's just that it was immersed in water for longer. Enlightening people can't be a goal of mine, and it's not most of the time (obviously I'm not perfect at this.), but it's the inevitable result of such an interaction - One could say it's gods doing. Any intention or will of mine are a disturbance in the force of god's will. A lot of the time I like to talk about ideas and get feedback, which I learn a lot from, like here on the forum. My only job is to listen quietly and be aware. This reoccurring point of "who talks from direct experience or not." is getting old. If I'm too concerned with it, I could miss some of the most important insights into my own delusions. By listening carefully I can be a student and every other person is my teacher, whether he's aware or not. Anyway there's no way of knowing if a person had or hadn't seen any "direct experiences". Exactly. A person of high charisma knows how to speak properly and how to relate to people so that he's perceived as a leader, and thus gain the respect and openness of his followers. Mooji is very good at this.

There's no one Including you, and it's not your reality or the only reality, but there's no such thing as "reality". The fear is good because your ego doesn't want to acknowledge those facts.

What I meant to say was, when met with a closed person there's really nothing to do. And the quicker I can let go of that is healthier for both of us. Yet I'm still puzzeled at the role of social dynamics and status perception, and how it affects the ability to recieve any useful knowlage at all.

So it really does boil down to the receiver's openness and investment, which means that if such a dynamic of lack of trust and respect is occurring, there's nothing to do but forfeit.

Experience is not a thought, but what you wrote is. Yep, it's like a non-dual religious person, rehearsing the wise phrase his guru told him, and angrily argues about some word.

This is very true. The more deeply I go, the more I can learn from anyone around me. I see them as teachers, and I'm forever a disciple. Also If people can be fooled by an authority it means they should be. (i guess all the stages till yellow perceive a sort of authority and follow.)

All I do is remove naive notions of people magically transforming up stages. It's better to be realistic. It's also useful in understanding why things really don't change much, and have a realistic expectation, being more accepting of people, not thinking they should go up stages and be wise all of the sudden.

I'm afraid I can't take your word for it, since I have never seen anyone change, not in behavior nor in appearance.

Free will exists inside of the illusion, and that fact doesn't make it less important. We have no other place to live, but inside the illusion (awake or not). Being awake helps in reducing suffering and worry, but it won't change the fact that you are still in a dream. It's not a complete freedom, but it does offer many predetermined choices. Your need to be certain needs to be let go of, if you wish to reach a higher knowledge. Doubt is a key ingredient in awakening. Being all too certain only means you believe your own delusions.

Where is this soul? Is the soul separate from ego? I suppose it's just another fancy title for the ego. Any separation is illusory.

This might be the case. Evolution doesn't stop at birth.

@Arkandeus Sadly I've never seen anyone change, not in behavior, nor in appearance. I can't help but recall what House always said: "People never change." Sometimes I fear it might be true.

@EternalForest Yes they are different, yet there are some commonalities. Obviously my pursuit is to better understand the model and not to judge. The emotions I feel are not in my control obviously, but rather instinctual.

Being a pretty diligent practitioner of spirituality, meditation, contemplation, studying non-duality, for more than 5 years, I can understand intellectually the idea and logic of no-self. The real question is whether It's even possible to let go of self control without ever experiencing a full no-self vision.

@Sahil Pandit Amazing!

@Nahm Amazing! Thank you for your insights. The only problem is the illegality and finding a good source I could trust.

"Self control" - Resistance to what is, a tension without any consequence. No subject or object present in this relationship. By now I can't bear looking at more non-dual teachings without a feeling of "Stop saying the same thing over and over.", I've exceeded the rational limit and now seek in the post rational realm. (direct method) i asked this because I thought if there's even a use of explaining non-dual concepts to people who very very far from "getting" these kind of things. (Basically that's how I got here. By just being shocked at the radical shift in describing reality that way.) Is the method you are suggesting useful without even knowing what it's pointing at? Let me rephrase - Is a conceptual understanding sufficient to actually letting go. Because how can one let go of what he hasn't seen? How do I know that my understating is even pointing in the right way? I totally get it (intellectually). My question was different: Is just knowing non-dual truths, and their consequence useful in implementing new patterns of behavior based on this knowledge.

@SoonHei @ground Thank you for your replies. In my experience it does seem to be useful. The way to utilize it practically is acceptance and letting go of desire for anything other than what is now. I see it work all the time even in people who are miles away from ever understanding non duality.

Is it viable to meet conscious people or to form long term healthy relatioships?