Anton Rogachevski

So in conclusion wisdom is transferred like a virus. It infects the patient's mind and creates a thirst for knowing truth, causing him to pursue wisdom, and then he seeks it wherever he can. It then uses the host to infect those around who are also prone to such foolishness.

There totally could be. In the relative everything is possible because it's a self manifested dream based on the beliefs of god. If he chooses to believe it, so it shall be.

Very funny coming from a man who is posting esoteric knowledge here for 3 days straight.

As true as that is, it takes a lot of "work" to realize. Do not underestimate the ego's power to disturb this truth. Also It might be idealistic thinking, and in my experience it's not useful to invent such lofty concepts. There are also degrees of attaining that, it's not a binary factor.

I would like to, if I may do so, add another layer of detail and complexity to this model. I can't help but observe how some people are just born into their level on the spiral. I think it has something to do with physical evolution. The hypothesis is that not all people are equally evolved, and are therefore locked into one stage. I can see it very clearly that "orange" people are more "carnivore", even their physicality resembles that of a predator, the cold eyes, the pure interest in nothing beyond material success. When I see one I feel stressed, I could never ever imagine such a being "magically" transform into Green, not in a million years. Imagine trump doing yoga and you'll see what I mean. They are obviously from the "warrior" cast. While on the other hand I see "green" people and their physicality resembles that of a herbivore. Round face, bigger eyes, different face structure all together. They are peaceful, friendly, open, emotional. One could never picture them as the money hungry wolves from orange. I think you got the idea. You can add more examples of this. Try the exercise: Imagine theses people getting hungry for money: Imagine this person doing yoga or meditating :

We're getting somewhere! Mind Bent. Can't fathom this. There really is a shift occurring in my experience right now. I guess this contemplation wasn't fruitless after all. There's no Non-duality, nor duality, except ideas about them. There's nothing but ideas, and ideas are everything. Holy smokes!

These kind of statements without explanations are like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

How could it be so, if from a non-dual state there are no understandings and no perspectives? These things are dualistic after all.

I'm afraid I've lost you there. Please tell me more master.

I don't seem to recall, yet I would love for you to elaborate. I like what you did there with the infinite perspectives. The cool part is that true non-duality (understood properly) is not a perspective and so it changes the game. As I said it's a state dependant vision. You can't take two entirely different states and compare the two, or explain the one with the other, and start spouting how non of us really exist. (which is what happens to the dude cult here.) The proper way is to see both as legitimate and not mix the unmixable. That's what's meant when saying that existence both exists and doesn't.

Beautiful! an integration of duality, and non-duality - the true mark of stage Yellow.

"The monk who becomes enlightened will go to hell straight as an arrow." Zen tradition

@Nahm Non-dualism is not a logical paradigm, you can't draw logical conclusions out of non-dual visions. It's a state dependant prism. I have yet seen perfection. I did have divine spiritual experiences, and no perfection was present. I can't speak of god as you speak of it, until I witness it. Since infinity includes everything it includes imperfection. Saying that infinity is perfect excludes imperfection. Imperfection is perfection. "Samsara is nirvana, nirvana is samsara." "God is the devil." Leo "God created adam in his own image."

It's very difficult to fathom, but god isn't perfect. He's perfecting himself through humans. Ideas of absolute perfection are only imagined by an ignorant absolutist ego.

It's easy to say about all things that they don't exist, but the secret is to leave them alone entirely I guess. Meanwhile wisdom is useful to me in my little dream, so I will keep it.

@SOUL I would like to share one more general observation: Please let it not disqualify the good parts of the discussion. There can be both good and bad sides at the same time. It seems we are all cought in a compulsive cycle of recating to each other, and it consumes a lot of time and attention. That's why I usually don't hang here that much. As entertaining as it is, it ends up being a general distraction. A very high quality entrainment indeed. One could even excuse it as a progressive, deep, mutual live contemplation.

Thank you dear sir. Would you care to eleborate on your metaphor?

@who chit Thank you for your contribution sir. If I may add, in my foolish opinion it's the collaboration between the intellect and the intutive proccess which produces wise and deep insights: for example Leo. The intellect is the fish net in which insights are cought. (Plus it's literally a web of belief.)

On the contraray, it's all beautiful and insightful, Thank you for your contribution. It went deeper than I ever imagined. For me the best part is the insights invoked by integrating all the different perspectives. To see the failure in communication also sheds much light on the issue. Which is what evoked this inquiry in the first place. I've tried to communicate my insights to another person with a rich background in spiritual practice, and to my surprise I was met with a huge wall of misunderstanding, no interst at all to ask simple existential questions, and pure resistance. Obviously our friend here is a young stage green and full of complex terms, which is really ok, because the path to become wise includes being very foolish for very long.

When you think you've fooled the devil, in fact you were the one being fooled.

The trick is to remove the need for outside validation and give it to yourself constantly and unconditionally. That's a healthy ego.

As clear as day. Only if I may add one thing: talking about spirituality and keep playing with complex ideas is good in the sense that it helps to keep awareness. It's easy to think you are already free and to go about your life without practice. But soon you end up in misery again. It's like a maintenance routine. The ego doesn't rest after awakening, it's very much alive and kicking. The way is to always stay one step ahead. It's a cool habit indeed. Like I said before it's a sport for the mind to stay sharp.

I'm learning slowly to do that, and it's very rewarding. Some facts don't change. I agree with these statements, live by them, and get amazing results. I'm sorry if you've heard it once. The more I go deeper the more I see how true they are.

In Buddhism they say it's to be a bodysatva - to go back from nirvana and to be a lighthouse for those who still suffer. Enlightenment is not a possession to be kept to the self, if you don't keep the flow of spiritual energy it will decay, as standing water does.

If I may be frank, I would suggest to look at your relationship with your ego. You seem to not like it's nature. Are you in a fight against it? Do you realize that by doing this you double the problem and create a good ego and a bad one, and thus forming an unnecessary tension. They say that to make the leap necessary for self-transcendence it takes a strong ego. Also the only way to melt evil is to love it. Love ego and it's trickery and be at peace with yourself.