Razard86

LOL....look at this rivalry!!! I love it!!

They couldn't expose me if they tried, I know their own Book better than they do. All I gotta do is keep my knowledge to my self.

THIS^^^^ This is all I was saying. Religion is dying off anyway in the West because of its hypocrisy with its judgments. I don't disagree with any of the statements you made right here. I just wanted to see what it was like to go to a modern Christian Church. I might hang around for awhile and do some outreach with the homeless or something as well. Many Churches are safe havens for those who find themselves on the streets.

This is a competition? First of all if this was a debate....I would definitely win since I know how to win a debate lol. But its not a debate its a discussion.....second you said I want religion to be God....when did I make that argument? I'm so confused as to what is going on here....are you guys that full of fear? Spirituality and Religion are just expressions of the Absolute at the end of the day. The Absolute doesn't need Spirituality or Religion they are just vehicles no different than its creation to experience aspects of itself from a finite perspective. I don't want religion to be God, I want those in Spirituality to get off their high horse and stop thinking that Spirituality is some how superior to religion. Religion is NOT an accident. Again.....the ABSOLUTE CREATED RELIGION through its finite aspects, this means Infinite Intelligence in its innate wisdom created religion through its creation and your demonization is pure ignorance. After I went through my recent awakenings I was called to revisit the Church and now I see why. Some of you are wayyy to judgmental of the Religion and this is due to you not understanding that Religion is the training wheels of Spirituality. You can't just toss everyone into the deep end of the pool, some people need Religion to be where it is currently. I'm not saying you got to respect or even like Religion but it is a necessary component due to the developmental level of humanity at large. I was given information on why Spirituality is the number one most dangerous thing to Society. If Spirituality as presently constructed were to be released onto Society we would have an epidemic of mental illness and it would cause a collapse of society because society currently does not understand Spirituality nor does it have safety measures in place to help keep those who wish to do it seriously. So currently Religion will be in place until Spirituality can find a way to become a guided practice with the full support of Society. Basically we would need to emulate India more and incorporate it more into our culture. Only you could find a research study on Christianity and Mysticism compared to Non-Christians.

I wish I understood what you meant. And I agree I think the church in ancient times used to be the way you surmise and the scared people took over. There are Christian Mystics who have taught in a way that could help people Awaken but I don't know any real Christian Mystics remaining today. Neville Goddard is one, but he actually makes one change. He says David is the Son not Jesus. It's a slightly different take. He says Jesus is asleep within and you are David and you have to rouse Jesus from his sleep within LOL.

Well Spoken that last part is what I was pointing at. The Ego is the absolute but a limited version surrounded by other limited versions and it does everything out of a need to survive. With proper development it can embrace the Absolute. This is why demonization of the ego is a trap because it makes you scared of your individual perspective, your own creation. Demonization of the ego is self-hatred. The ego is not evil, it wants to feel good, it wants to feel loved, it wants to feel protected, it wants to feel like its life has value. Awakening allows the ego to realize it is surrounded and protected by its TRUE SELF and thus can live without fear.

Going to church is fine as a means of experience. One of the points of Spirituality is to experience creation, part of creation is the many religions of the world. What is different than me tasting different types of foods, versus going to different types of religions? Also I am only saying going to church is fine if you are not ready for real Spirituality because Spirituality is about facing Death. Not everyone is ready to face death, to face insanity, to face their deepest fears, to find out that one aspect of reality....is that it is pure imagination, that it can be unreal in how it presents itself. Not everyone is ready for that. So I'm not moving the goal post, I'm being cognizant that its not for everyone. I wish it was....because its the most beautiful thing EVER!!! Also....a true Christian....does not need a Bible...they awaken that they are the WORD made flesh, so the Bible and church are not needed. But ask yourself.....did not Jesus visit the church?

Explain changing goal post on what exactly?

It's why I kept my mouth shut. There is no point in causing an uproar. But I do plan to visit some other religions and experience them since I never have before. But to stay on topic these scriptures will talk you out of the Christian Church. But not out of Christianity because true Christianity is to recognize yourself as Christ. https://biblehub.com/john/10-34.htm https://biblehub.com/psalms/82-6.htm https://biblehub.com/luke/17-21.htm Jesus is basically saying you cannot reach God realization unless you recognize yourself as the Christ. https://biblehub.com/john/14-6.htm But people thought that meant you had to take Jesus as your Lord and savior. NO!!! You take Jesus as an example to emulate, and through following his example you awaken to the Christ within you. This is why Jesus would call himself the Son of Man sometimes and the Son of God in other instances. The term Christ refers to a state of consciousness in which you are in direct communion with Oneness/Totality. Once you reach this state as a sober permanent state you have lived a life full of love so thoroughly that you are awakened to Heaven Within. God the Father is the Masculine expression of the Absolute, The Holy Spirit is the Feminine Aspect, and the Son part of the trinity is the human that has awakened and properly integrated both the Father and Holy Spirit within. This is what the Trinity teaching refers too.

I've interviewed someone in the past and he was open originally then he brought a Pastor and I got so annoyed by the Pastor I destroyed him using the Bible and he kept trying to find scripture to discredit what I was pointing too and I told him plainly, you are trying to use scripture to discredit what Jesus said plain and direct. I told him he was the same as those Pharisees and he felt like I wouldn't let him speak but every time he spoke about scripture he made stuff up. For example he said Revelation was Jesus's words, they aren't. Someone else wrote the book of Revelations I believe it was John that wrote that book. He literally tried to use the most vague symbolic most misunderstood book in the Bible to try to disprove Jesus saying that the devil tricked me into thinking that I was one with God. When I brought up that God is omnipresent and God is a totality so literally its actually impossible for humans to not be God because God is all that is....he said I was wrong and I started laughing. In retrospect I should have been more respectful, but I grew up in the Church and when I searched for the truth Leo's teachings lined up with Jesus's teachings like a hand in a glove. It's so obvious if you earnestly search. Like I mentioned before even his Infinity of God's awakening was mentioned by Jesus. Now with that said, they are earnestly searching from their vantage point but they have too much self-hatred and fear to go beyond.

Nah I know better than that, too much fear in them. The irony is they would treat me the way the Pharisees treated Jesus. That's the paradoxical nature of the story of Jesus. Once you understand what he was saying, if you tell his Church they will accuse you of blasphemy the same way Jesus was accused of blasphemy. They might accuse you of being possessed by a demon, which they also accused Jesus of. So its a funny story all around.

You repeated yourself.

I went as a tourist, I plan to visit a mosque and then maybe a budhist place. I'm like if I created everything might as well check it out. Once you awaken I think the point is to explore. Oh and if the person wants to escape the strangle hold of the Church we already pretty much pointed it out. If you study the story of Jesus adequately he points out that you are the same as him. Jesus basically is saying you are the Messiah, and that the Kingdom of God is within you. He says I come to fufill the law which is him pointing out that the law is pointing that the creator and the creation are ONE, that is what it means to be in the same image. So Jesus actually teaches true Spirituality its why I like him as a symbol. His teaching is simple and people complicate it out of fear. Hell even your Infinity of Gods awakening Jesus stated when he said "Ye are Gods."

Yeah I knew it, you guys just don't get it. Reality is both the same and also different. You are stuck on the sameness which is itself a limitation. Stop putting limitations on reality. When was the last time you gave a genuine apology and actually meant it? Better get on that.

It's not a trick of the ego, there you guys go demonizing the ego again. The ego is not a trickster, the trickster is an UNDERDEVELOPED EGO. When the ego is not properly developed it engages in trickery. This demonization of the ego needs to stop. I feel the prescence of God wherever I go, you think I don't realize this? I swear yall are always trying to teach when there is nothing to teach. I have awakened to the fact that I AM LOVE, I AM INFINITE BEAUTY, I AM INFINITY GOODNESS, I AM PURE INNOCENCE. But I also have the ability to feel the fear and distortions in others. I can also feel the earnestness of another. When I walked into that church I felt the love of small children doing their best to learn love. I awoke to Absolute Solipsism but I also awoke to Absolute Relativity. Reality is both ONE and MANY. I am referring to the MANY aspect, and that MANY is earnest and doing the best it can. All demonization of underdeveloped aspects of the Absolute doing their best is a reflection of a lack of Spiritual Progression and Maturity.

Yeah that's the thing, I felt the presence in the Church, something I didn't feel before my awakenings. I wanted to see if they could really conjure up the presence and they legitimately did. It let me know that the Absolute is using the Church as a kind of kindergarten for Spiritual progression. This is why all this demonization is pure foolishness. Not every person is at a developmental level that they can do without the Church. The Church has a purpose. Now with that said.....their understanding of Scripture and its meaning....was....very underdeveloped. But their earnestness and desire to grow in love was evident. I was moved at their desire to learn more about love to the best of their ability.

1. I have already had many awakenings, and already deconstructed reality. I literally have a direct connection with reality sober. 2. This fear of yours you need to address, of course I am there as a tourist, I literally said I went there to see if we were accurate in how hard we rail against them and what I have realized is we are excessive in our criticism of them. When I went there I saw people who to the best of their ability sought to be more loving. 3. One of my recent awakenings actually informed me that our forums is far too judgmental and is doing it out of ignorance. So I ask....when is the last time you visited a Christian Church? If you have not visited one...you are speaking from a place of ignorance.

And there you and Leo go. What is up with all this fear, you guys need to let this fear go. THERE IS NO HARM in visiting a Christian Church. Stop with all this is the problem would be if you're stuck nonsense. In the words of Ram Dass EVERYTHING IS A TRAP on the path of Spirituality. I proclaim that if anyone on the forums engages in demonization of any Spiritual Practice you are just rooted in fear, and you need to check yourself. Think about this...WHO DO YOU THINK CREATED THE CHRISITIAN CHURCH? It didn't pop out of nowhere. Who created the BIBLE? I AM CREATED ALL OF IT!!! So stop with all these be careful warnings. There is enough information on this site for people to understand that the Christian Church does not have a direct experience with God or correct understanding. But think about this....without the Church and other religions what would be the gateway for anyone to advance Spiritually? The Churches actually provide a strong foundation, you just have to leave them eventually to find the truth.

Churches are concerts with lectures that lack the depth found in non-duality that perfectly suits the developmental level of those who reside there. I found authenticity in the Church, they are egos who are full of fear, but at their level still desire truth and love. They are just not ready to challenge everything they have been told.

This is some good stuff.

They aren't illusions, reality is not an illusion what you have is an incomplete awakening. Life is not an illusion, Life is REAL. It is REALITY. What you are referring to is what is called unreal, which is just reality's ability to defy its own rules. Absolute Solipsism is only ONE ASPECT of REALITY. The OTHER ASPECT IS ABSOLUTE RELATIVITY. Solipsism= Oneness, Relativity= Interconnectedness of Diversity. Reality has a diversity of experience, but this diversity is separated/mediated behind a veil. Like a curtain reality can hide certain expressions and moderate the intensity of said expressions. At one point I too thought Absolute Solipsism was the only truth until I was shown it is only one half of the truth.

These teachings do a good job of merging Science with Mysticism. Its not complete obviously but does a good job of helping you in your study of the relative expression of the Absolute.

Appreciate it, I'm just glad the true nature of the ego and why it exists in the first place is being given to me as part of Self-Understanding. I'm being taught/shown why everything is currently the way it is. Our issue is our understanding of why things are the way they are needs to be pointed towards understanding of SELF/self. The purpose of our existence is to understand our individual self in relation to the Absolute SELF. This process is called personal development, and it culminates in individual and universal self-acceptance. The absolute already has complete self-acceptance, life's journey is to take an asleep/ignorant individuated self and teach it through experience the knowledge of the absolute self. This process culminates with the individual self realizing it is the ABSOLUTE SELF, and that it put itself asleep to awaken to its full knowledge. It does this not because it needs to do it, but because it loves itself and wants to share itself with itself. But this process becomes harrowing because it creates so many different versions of itself which come into conflict. This is why there is no difference between individual self-love and collective universal love. The more you love your individual self the more your love will grow for the collective. Notice all lack of love for the collective is rooted in a victim, nihilistic, lack of power mentality. When you truly love your individual self, you become aware of your power, your authority. This is why individual self-love is rooted in personal security, which can only be accomplished by facing your fear of death and ultimately realizing that the ABSOLUTE and the individual are ONE and thus the ABSOLUTE will always protect and guide the individual because it is LITERALLY ONE AND THE SAME!!! All lack of authority is rooted in lack of trust of the absolute, this means Spiritual Progress is rooted in a complete trust in the ABSOLUTE. This process is both humbling and confidence driven. You are humble enough to submit to the authority and power of your other aspects/egos through cooperation, but confident enough to resist, erect boundaries when your personal autonomy/authority is being challenged. This duality is how the ABSOLUTE experiences the old adage every parent tells their child, sharing is caring. Caring....is devotion, Devotion is LOVE. Devotion is the submission of authority to a cause that is greater than the individual self. Devotion is how talent is developed, knowledge is developed, wisdom is attained, and Self-Mastery is ultimately attained and expressed. All Egos are here to learn Self-Mastery and that is their contribution to the story of Universal Love, and its self-expression.

Ignorance, Lack of awareness, Low Consciousness. This can also be called lack of experience, the absence of knowledge and ultimately wisdom.

With that said, social conditioning is a huge part of this lack of maturity in Spirituality. For example, this Youtuber has some interesting points and makes an important point about how social conditioning influences you so much it can create your own reality. But the issue is she is very anti-military and anti-force which reveals she has a bias, which means a distortion of the importance of force and why it is essential to understanding unconditional universal love.