Razard86

If you want a more grounded less complicated approach to the implementation of morality you can look at Martin Luther King. Notice the similarity in some of the stuff I have said about life. Jesus said it, Leo said it, Ghandi, etc. https://www.iwu.edu/mlk/page-5.html#:~:text="If a man has not,and exposes his moral defenses."

I don't think you realize he is determined to be confused. He fears the destruction of all mystery. The more you make sense the more he will tell you that you are deluded and that not making sense is the truth...even though for him now he might as well throw that word away and a lie as well. Its crazy because delusion is a lie but he said that there is no truth or lie and even as crazy as he sounds I could even make it make sense because I am creative enough. But I won't, because it won't be easy to understand for others. But I'll give another pointer since people seem to be confused. Relative Imagination is human imagination. Close your eyes imagine an apple. Okay now look at an apple, that is Absolute Imagination. They are the same thing but one is limited the other is unlimited but notice they sit RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. You can look at an apple and imagine an apple on top of the apple. Now the issue is you have certain people who don't yet understand that beliefs are =to physicality. I'll explain. Let's say there is a girl who dates 10 men and all of those men verbally insult her over and over and she takes on as a belief that all men do this. As long as she refuses to allow information contrary to this notion SHE WILL EXPERIENCE THIS AS TRUE. You say how do we know this? Come on anybody on spiritual path deals with this with people who have yet to awaken. All your beliefs are a reflection of how you currently experience reality. That is why there are so many claims of gaslighting which is to deny the said experience of another. So explain to me how you can actually believe that you can separate belief from experience? You can't!!! You will say yes I can I can shatter their belief with a different experience. You can!!! But then guess what? You still prove my point. Because if they change their mind its because they got a NEW EXPERIENCE so that belief is just reflecting that experience!!! But also notice, they can deny that experience also if they want!!! Now its delusion if you deny experience....so guess what...to deny someone's belief is NOT their experience is actually to deny experience!!! Because all of our beliefs are what we believe to be true....based on our experience. You will say but I thought you said there were delusions, yes and that is the only way we get confused. Only our denial of our experience is what causes confusion. If you deny nothing and accept everything....the you cannot be deluded. That is the game we are playing.

For fun though I'll deconstruct your arguments. You said I think the word truth is very incorrect to define reality, but you have said over and over that Reality cannot be defined...but now you are saying truth is not a correct definition? So which is it? Then you say it is not a truth or a lie? So what is it? What you don't realize is you gave a definition. Your definition is: it is seeing through the veil of experience, through the veil of the self. what you see is the totality of existence, the great infinite abyss alive. So we can shorten it to this. You believe that reality is a great infinite abyss alive which is neither true or a lie. Also you believe it can be seen as well. Now what you don't realize...is if it is neither true or a lie, it can never gain anything or become aware of anything because if its not true it cannot exist, and if its not a lie it cannot change. So you have denied both aspects of reality, this means you have now effectively gone ABSOLUTE DENIAL. Well Done!!!

........So now you deny the word truth too???? Wow...well hey you doing your thing man. I'll give it to you, you are committed to the path of mystery. You are definitely a true mystic in that regard.

I think they took it down, the recent posted video of another Youtuber is what posted now.

I'll make this simple again....Reality is Absolutely Relative, this means it is equally true on all levels, this means it is also not equally true on all levels as well. It means it is Real. It mean it is Imaginary. It means it is whatever the hell it says it is from ITS PERSPECTIVE. THE END. That's all folks!!! Nothing to see here!!! I killed it all. Welcome to Death. Welcome to Life which is GROUND and YOU CREATE THE GROUND. The GROUND IS YOUR MAP. The GROUNDLESS IS REALITY. And that is it. So how do you search for truth on the relative domain. Whatever has the most frequency is what is most true for that moment in time. So in one era the times will say this is 70% true. Maybe 10 to 100 years later that is now 45% true and something else is 55% true. You see how it goes? So the absolute never changes but to experience itself it must include change. So the measuring stick of truth is frequency, pattern. But Reality must make the pattern hard to find and tricky so you actually have something to do. Otherwise....there is only DEATH. It's so obvious and simple. You only complicate it because what I speak robs you of the mystery of discovering it for yourself.

^^^^Of course from your perspective this must be so!! Because you are your own limit. You cannot see outside your own perspective until you do. It's delusion because you are locked into your perspective. I know what you are saying, but you don't understand what I am saying. So I wonder....who is MORE TRUE? The one that understands more perspectives? Or the one that understands less? Notice...it is delusion to you, because you BELIEVE IT. Notice earlier you said nihilism is ideology, but now you say I speak delusion. How is that NOT an ideology? You see? You keep trying to separate it. You can't!!! Your experience and your belief are one and the same. Why do you think Spirituality is the pursuit of what is true in your experience? You think humanity didn't try their best to seek the truth? You think they just bullshitted their way to materialism? Such delusion!!! If it was that easy to find the truth....they would have found it!!! Why do you think people push psychedelics? Its to give them Enlightenment? Enlightenment shatters the current conceptualization they have of what reality is. That is EXPERIENCE!!! Both believing you have experience and realizing you ARE EXPERIENCE is the same thing!!! But notice....you cannot understand this if you keep creating separation. As such you cannot understand me, no different than an unenlightened person cannot understand you. I understand you, but you don't understand me.

^^^^This is the deep wisdom. But notice this....its only the curious that realize that the universe is taking care of it. Right now on this forum thread we are the Universe discussing what is morality. By the way I do believe every individual must create their own morality, so do not think I am demonizing morality. So what is morality to me? I deem morality to be whatever is in alignment with Universal Will. That is morality to me. So then that creates a question? What is Universal Will? What is it up to? You see? A search for truth must include a desire to understand what Universal Will is? Morality as it is currently understood was just a half-hearted attempt to understand what Goodness is. Do not think reading my posts or anybody's posts is going to give you a clear cut answer. All of us will struggle from our perspective to be good, until a deep surrender and acceptance occurs. The secret is everyone around you is in a struggle to be Good, some are dysfunctional at it and we call them Evil, and some are skilled and masters at it and we call them Good. That's all that is going on. But don't take my word for it, go discover if this is true for you. I proved it to myself both before and after Spirituality but through Spirituality I proved it ABSOLUTELY. With this said it makes PERFECT SENSE if you don't believe that because SUFFERING is the birth of evil. You cannot reconcile there is no evil when you are in the throes of suffering. You cannot walk up to a parent that lost their child to kidnapping and sex slavery and tell her it was for the benefit of the Universe that activity had to happen. They will call you a DEMON, and rightly so from their perspective.

Yeah after the trauma of the ordeal. I'll explain what I mean. Whatever state God is in God is ABSOLUTELY in. So if you enter a state where Jason appears before you with a chainsaw, you are not going to be able to sit down and self-inquiry that away. If you try it, he will get to you and saw your arms off. You will cry in terror and anguish and wish it to stop and probably pass out. Psychedelics reveal why there are people who make claims of demon possession, or why some people who have NDE's go to HELL. Your imagination is so powerful it is TOTAL and ABSOLUTE and as such it is not some easy thing to deconstruct. Spirituality is the scariest thing you can ever delve into. Even experiencing war, rape, etc doesn't compare. Why? You could imagine infinite rape and experience that.....get the picture? There is no limit to the tortures you can imagine. Human reality suffering doesn't compare to the dark places an Infinite Mind can conjure up.

Completely agree.

Don't get to carried away with this lol. I only say this to people who want the truth but are resisting it at the same time. Even though this is all true, logic is very useful and even though its imaginary if someone comes at you with a chainsaw all this its imaginary will fly out the window LOL. In fact if you want a real scare to see how powerful imagination is....you can watch a Jason Movie and imagine Jason coming to murder you and if you reach a high enough state of Consciousness you can imagine Jason actually murdering you lol. And then awaken from that nightmare even though it will have felt real, sometimes even more real in comparison to what you call regular life.

Reality is groundless, to establish a ground reality has to imagine pain and suffering. Remove pain and suffering...and ironically life ceases to exist and everything dies. There is more than one type of death, most think death is annihilation of appearance, think about this....how would you like to walk around in a world that appears DEAD, FAKE, NOT REAL? Pain= Real. You only think cartoon characters are fake because you don't feel any pain connected to them. If Mario appeared in front of you and punched you in the face, and it hurt like hell you wouldn't call him fake. And guess what? You can reach a state of Consciousness where you can conjure Mario right in front of you and he can punch you in the face and it will feel just as real as if I did it to you. THEN you will realize what everyone is talking about. There is only imagination, and imagination is ABSOLUTELY REAL.

That's all we and every spiritual teaching, and now even modern science points to. All the evidence points to this, if it is resisted it just means you don't like it. There is not a single person on this forum who can disprove this. I mean LITERALLY SCIENCE has proved it and they still resist. At one point you could make claims that Spirituality was just some woo woo nonsense but you can no longer do it. The Cat's out of the bag. Also in my own personal life I also proved it to myself multiple times just to be sure. So at this point anybody who argues this, is basically just a Con Artist. It's why you see me communicate the way I do, its like dude your so full of shit it don't even make any sense. LOL. Then I discovered it had to be this way because its absolutely relative. So by default you have to have those who deny the truth no different than you need short and tall, black and white, wet and dry etc etc.

How is the Earth objectively billions of years old when according to your precious science its just an appearance of something. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/ Explain this one for me? I actually want you to be authentic here. Explain this for me. Were you here for the billion years? Or did somebody tell you that?

You created yourself so you can create your own meaning from your perspective of what you are. So don't let anyone tell you not to create meaning, unless you agree of course. Consciousness would prefer though that you use your unique perspective and develop your own perspective so it can learn the truth of what it is in your particular perspective. Why? Because what else is there to do than to know yourself infinitely from infinite perspectives. Some prefer to not have meaning, not realizing that itself is meaning. And some prefer to have meaning, not realizing that their meaning is arbitrary and can be destroyed any minute through some new discovery within the relative. So basically...do what you want. You can be masterful, or you can be unmasterful that to is part of the play/seriousness of Consciousness. Consciousness likes to be both serious and playful. Don't let anybody tell you that Consciousness is only playful, that is human spirituality bullshit. If I dropped them off in a poor country with civil war and child soldiers and disease run amok they would stop that silly rich country tune. With that said...you can enjoy that delusion too if you want. You can go as deep as you want or stay back and resist it doesn't really matter but it also does.

^^^^^This is itself a frame. Consciousness is both what it creates and isn't at the same time. So you cannot escape frames. An attempt to escape frames is an attempt to escape what you are. Also you cannot reduce an Absolute. An Absolute is TOTALITY. Right now you are guilty of the very thing you are trying not to do. Look at your fear. Consciousness is BOTH THE MAP AND THE TERRITORY. It is not either or its BOTH!!! Language is a frame. Life is a frame. Actualized.org is a frame. Your mind thinks and understands in frames. So you are making the argument to not reduce Consciousness to a frame, through contemplation which is a frame, then through expression which is a frame. You see the sillyness in this? Stop trying to escape from yourself. Any perspective you take is just pointing in a direction. 99.9% of the world points to the frame, Spirituality points to the lack of frame. BOTH ARE TRUE. If you go towards either as an Absolute, you are missing the whole point of the story. You are in the Yogi that sits on the mountain stage who deems his understanding superior. Then a blizzard forces the Yogi down the mountain into the village. The Yogi is now forced to live amongst the unconscious and is totally confused. They whine and complain about everything and get in their own way. He tries to intervene and falls on deaf ears. Eventually he realizes he needs to meet them where they are at or stop complaining himself because his resistance to playing their game of unconsciousness is no different than their game of playing resisting expanding of their consciousness except for one caveat, HE KNOWS BETTER. It's why life is always a perfect mirror of where you are developmentally. It goes full circle forever and ever. The more you raise your consciousness paradoxically the more you will suffer initially. Why? Because you become even more aware of issues and how to actually solve them. You realize the cause of majority of issues is just unconsciousness not competence. We have the ability to solve all our problems, we just need to get over ourselves. This is how it feels when you are around unconscious people. ^^^^LOL. The more you raise in consciousness the more patience is required.

This is not a demonization of morality, morality MUST EXIST because the world is not at a level of consciousness to understand that morality is causing all of their problems. They are too engrossed in survival, and therefore cannot make sense of a world without morality. But morality is the creation of guilt. If Morality becomes an Absolute, all humans are inherently guilty and condemned to a life of shame and unworthiness. But humanity has not yet realized this.

There is no good or bad there is only dysfunctionality, imbalance, lack of mastery, functionality, balance, mastery. Bad is only ignorance of what is good, which allows the realization of what is good. Morality is foolishness borne of ignorance. Morality believes in evil, morality believes in separation. Morality is a kindergarten view of the world. One who believes in morality will judge because morality is judgment. Morality is the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It is the birth and practice of an eye for an eye. Morality=discrimination. Morality is the practice of fear, Morality is religion, Morality is Atheism, Morality is society, Morality is War, Morality is genocide, all the so called problems of the world are tied to morality. Morality allows humans to look at life and ask? Why does the world have bad guys? Why haven't we got rid of them? Morality is the problem and its own solution. The answer is...there was never any bad guys only dysfunctionality. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEatCKgB6Qc&ab_channel=EckhartTolle

Belief and direct experience are one and the same. The only reason one experiences separation is because one believes it is separate. Enlightenment is a realization, a RECONTEXTUALIZATION, that shifts the whole experience from being one that is having experience to being experience. So you cannot separate ideology from actuality. If you could Spirituality would be so easy. Someone would say prove it to me that everything is ONE? You'd look at them and say imagine this, then= INSTANT REALIZATION!! LOL. Majority of time that is not going to happen, because reality is LOVE. And for those that hate that word. Reality is CARE. The manifestation of care. That's what you don't realize because you want to create conflict. Because you have chosen to be an adversary. Yes it is a confusion of Absolute Truth and Relative Truth, that is why nihilism exists.!!! On the journey when one awakens to lack of all meaning they can fall into despair and become nihilistic. This is because they have not become aware that the lack of all meaning=the creation of all meaning. Once they go through that path they realize oh there is no meaning outside what I construct and I LOVE IT!!! Absolute Truth And Relative Truth cannot be separated, but they can be misunderstood. Absolute Truth loves everything so yes Enlightenment is the love of Nihilism. Its the love of everything.

Thought I'd share this one.

Well the only reason we have to deconstruct is because there is no difference between thoughts and physical reality. Your experience of reality and your conditioning are ONE! The reason people are unconscious because how they experience the world is in line with their sensory perception. It's like telling a person the room is actually cold when for them their experience is the room is burning hot. "Well you can awaken that the room is really cold." Guy walks in the room and he starts sweating profusely. Then because he doesn't want to feel like you have something he doesn't he starts saying "I am aware the room is cold!" It's so obvious!" he says as he sweats profusely. He puts on a coat just to keep the act up, and you are watching him do this shit like come on man I'm not better than you for realizing the room is cold, you were conditioned into that! I was too at one point. But if you keep lying to yourself you can't be helped. ^^^^This is the problem with majority of Spiritual Seekers. They come from a world that has taught them to bullshit their way through life. So they do the same thing, they try to bullshit their way through Spirituality. You see the issue? The only difference between an enlightened person and a non-enlightened person is how they experience reality. An Enlightened Person experiences themselves AS EXPERIENCE. An unenlightened person experiences themselves as HAVING an experience. Enlightened person: I AM EXPERIENCE. Unenlightened: I AM HAVING AN EXPERIENCE.

What he doesn't know is I have taken 3 tabs of LSD before and all it did was give me feelings of bliss. I had an awakening to Life Being A Cosmic Romance, a Love Story For God. Oh and notice his arrogance, trip sitting isn't weakness its to prevent incidents from happening. One of the things you become aware of in this work is you don't control your own body. So you can take a substance and your body just starts doing shit, a trip sitter can help protect you from jumping off a balcony.