Razard86

Agree with everything you said but.....I think whatever happens is supposed to happen. We keep trying to alleviate pain...that is a bias. Pain is important. Pain makes things real, your pain is proof of your reality. If you didn't have pain....nothing would feel real. Pain is what grounds us here in the first place. And to leave this reality we have to face our pain.

Lol Leo I am compassionate. I'm showing him another perspective. I understand his point of view. This stuff can be confusing depending on what perspective you are looking at. This work is also dangerous because you are deconstructing your belief systems, which is what grounds our reality. You do it enough....and your reality becomes groundless and you will leave the dream. So I get it. Just offering another perspective. From his vantage point I would feel the same way he does. Its like talking to a younger version of yourself. What would you tell them. I think he is completely fine honestly. Based on what he is saying he is on the right path. Fear is normal, this path is not for the faint of heart. We fear ourselves the most. It makes sense, when you feel finite of course you would fear the infinite. P.S. Also Leo....learn to trust people cooking for you lol. *wink*

Mental Illness can be likened to mental diarrhea. A lack of control of the thoughts and emotions that one is experiencing daily and also fear of specific thoughts and emotions that arise. Basically a lack of Self-Love. A video explaining how the West's normalization of this condition is erroneous, its not some normal condition that is inevitable but a condition that arises because of faulty belief systems that were taught and ingrained from childhood to adulthood. Mental Illness is a result of a lack of healing and acceptance of the myriad of aspects that make up our identity. How that identity is formed and the beliefs associated with us...has been mirrored by those who raised us, and those we grew up around. Since the West is full or dysfunctional imbalanced people...we took that way of life upon ourselves and since it is so pervasive we think it is normal.

Love of course, just giving myself some love!!! Hey me!!

That's a bit much Leo. But hear I ya. If you don't a woman well you have no clue what she would put in the food. Bmcnicho you can do whatever you want...but this entity is something that is YOU. Its not above you or beneath you. I really don't think you understand when we say you are God. Right now you still think you are some limited human. There is no entity that is above you or beneath you. Everything is interconnected. But hey....you are going to do what you end up doing anyway. So if you do choose to do it, take a low dose. You will regret taking a high dosage if you do...cause well....you will have no control. But I suggest looking at this situation from Leo's perspective in this case.

The solution is simple. Stop looking at his emotions as "male emotions." Notice what you said, if a woman shows that emotion you are okay with it but when the man shows it you are not. First of all your response is a normal one, society teaches men not to show emotion. By doing this they teach men to NOT accept their emotions. By doing this they also teach society to not accept male emotion as well. So you only have this issue because you were taught that this is an appropriate response. Kudos for you for recognizing this issue!! Kudos for sharing it as well!! I really wish more women could walk this path with you because it is part of the process of bringing men and women back together again. So the key is to think of his emotions as just an expression of a human, a person. Forget that he is a man when he expresses his emotions. When a woman can be a man's safe place to fully express himself, that woman becomes his home. When a man can be a place for a woman to safely express herself that man becomes her home. Through this the two of you will always be "home" when you two are communicating with each other. It's a rare thing, and something I believe you two can create with each other. So forget that he is a man, see him as the fellow human he is and you will be fine.

You: I will try to make this clear from the start. I am not really looking to blame Leo. I don't care that much for blaming Leo. But I care for acknowledging, discussing and sharing this perspective. My response: You shouldn't blame anyone, blame stops you from seeing clearly so good job in not doing that. I think there can be considerable psychological damage, when adolescents 14-18, get drawn into the consumption of spiritual knowledge, especially enlightenment ("Illusion of the Ego", "No self", " Selflessness", even spiral dynamics to a certain extant). But I guess I will just state my case and others can judge and share if this is something more general. My response: You see it as psychological damage because of how you are looking at it. In other culture children are taught this content at a young age. In modern science if a mystic has a vision by definition he/she is experiencing "psychosis." So yes from that perspective you are. Depends on how you look at it. Again I am not really looking for blame (even if the desire is there). I am looking for healing. I am 25 years old now and I started watching Leo almost from the start, so I guess I was somewhere in between 14-16. But I was immediately hooked. I had experienced self help before, but I found Leo I immediately saw that he went more in depth, was more right and was more serious about this all. So I really got into him. Not really sharing this with my friends, since I felt that Self Help was almost a tabu. So I started growing from the knowledge, I started understanding myself better, I started understanding others better, I had more success jumping over my fears, interacting with girls, it almost felt as if I had discovered a super power, no other kid knew about. But then the moment came, when "the videos will get deeper now". When Leo did not really want to stay on that psychological surface level, but actually wanted to share spiritual content. And as 16-19 yo men, whose role model was Leo, of course I was willing to get deeper with him. But I did not get the content. He suddendly said "The Ego is an illusion" "You don't even exist" and I couldn't make sense of that. I kind of knew it was true, because I trusted Leo a lot, but I had not a single experience, not even a glimpse of this realization. Also no others I interacted with, or who I knew about, had said such things, so I was even more in a conflict. Trusting Leo or trusting everybody else. And that also meant things like, trusting friends, trusting parents, trusting more basic self help coaches. The "Selflessness is the most beautiful thing" "Try to be selfless" was more understandable. But trying to be selfless at that age is so counterproductive. You need to grow at that age and in this society you need to fight for your place, you need to want things for yourself. If people don't get that you need to be selfish, when growing up, you don't understand how much this psyche is still in the making and that growth and acquisition is vital to create a positive foundation. So I was understanding that selflessness was something beautiful, I wanted to be it, (at to some extent it also worked), but to a bigger extant I think it made me hesistant to satisfy my needs. To satisfy my need for growth (not spiritual growth). How things like spiral dynamics affected me is even more complicated. It made even more sense and I felt smart learning about it. But I realize that is also make you loose trust in other and especially superiors, if you know you have metaphysical map, which imcompasses their entire being and knowledge. But you can't get far on your own at that age and having some real life superiors, mentors, teachers your are aspiring to, is quite important. So I was basicly left with aspiring to become Leo. I lets be honest. there are so many stages between an 17-19 yo, and a enlightened 30 yo Leo. In the end I started distancing myself from spiritual content and Leo, but I this left me trusting no one. Even worse. I can't trust normal folks, because Leo showed me how full of shit they are. But I can't trust Leo, because his content isn't helping me anymore. I felt really disoriented. Instead of having focused on getting myself a first job I like, maybe gather some experiences abroad, I was obsessed with making sense of the world. Trying to understand how my ego is illusiory even though nothing in my experience could point to that. I was trying to master the advanced stuff and thought those basic material pursuits are bad. My response: What you don't realize is all these things you think is bad are also good. You should not trust anyone above yourself. Not Leo, not myself, not your parents, not the President, etc.etc. YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY OF YOUR LIFE. Your whole life you have given that authority away and followed the opinions and beliefs of others. At a certain point you need to take responsibility for your beliefs and go through and dissect every single one of them and CHOOSE for yourself what is true for you. Sadhguru had a profound statement which last year I disagreed with but recently this year I discovered was true. It is "You know NOTHING OUTSIDE OF YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCE." So you are actually on the right track. It was only later 23+ yo, that I started to get more that "You need a strong ego to transcend it" and etc. But still this dirorientation is still to this day affecting me and really hindered my growth. Not trusting universities, lectures, seeing how weak science was. Seeing all the wage slavery and selfishness in people. I feel like I need to let go of and just live life like the the other unknowing humans. Have a certain naivity and believing I need more money to be happy or something like that. It is hard to explain exactly how all this affected me. I cannot also really say to which extant it was responsible for all this suffering and lack of growth, because there are certainly also other factors. I am also certain that Leo warned often about these traps, but it must also be said that a person is not going to watch every video and may miss one where is explained better. Also uploading spiritual videos about the illusion of the ego, doesn't give you the feeling that he is actually considering this a trap, if you are not ready. And even if he puts a few disclaimer at the start, which kid doesn't watch the intriguing video from his role model, even if there are disclaimer before. My response: Role models are a trap. Every human trait that exists, exists within you. Whenever you look up to someone you are projecting onto them. You are projecting the positive traits WITHIN you and seeing them in the other person. This is a clue. You are only drawn to people who are more similar to you. Since Leo is talking about stuff that you like, you are drawn to his content. This means the traits that Leo exudes are traits that you admire within yourself. So when you see Leo display them, you fool yourself into thinking he has something you don't. As a result you put him on a pedestal and make him a role model. He becomes your light. This is the opposite projection we do when we demonize people and say we don't like them. That is us denying the parts of us they are showing us that we reject. So when you make someone a role model, its projection, and when you make someone into an enemy, demon, bad person in your mind you are projecting as well. This only happens because you think Leo is SEPERATE from you. If you truly understand what Spirituality is trying to tell you is this.... stop thinking Leo is superior...HE IS YOU. Stop LOOKING UP TO LEO HE IS YOU. All the positive traits that Leo displays are the same traits you have. So all those same looking up to you emotions you have for Leo...turn them inward towards you. You see...life is an infinite mirror, so there are an infinite number of ways to look at something. You can see something as good or bad depending on HOW YOU CHOOSE TO LOOK AT IT. I am not looking for blame, but I want to ask you guys: Is it the right thing to upload a mix aproachable self help stuff, and really deep metaphysical spiritual content on a platform like youtube, where there are so many kids. And kids aren't stupid. They can get into that stuff. That's it. I am just wondering what you guys thing of the ethics /healthiness of this and if someone had similar experiences. My response: Majority of the stuff Leo is bringing forth is ANCIENT KNOWLEDGE. Hinduism is the oldest religion so a lot of the those concepts are still taught. From the modern perspective this stuff is "bad." But as long as you hold onto that perspective you will never awaken. Everything in modern society is designed to turn you into a selfish, entitled, self-hating, addiction oriented, demonizer of life and others. Pay attention to the collective complaints that the "others" of humanity make and you will notice a trend. "Why does this happen to me." "I feel so alone." "Why is life so hard." "Why are people selfish." Etc. Etc. Spirituality teaches you, you are complaining about yourself. Take some responsibility and make the change you want to see in others in yourself. Stop looking up to people, everyone is your guide, but you are also their guide as well. So we all teach and learn from each other. So if this is true....then we are equal. Never believe something someone says completely, or reject it completely. So never become too open or close minded. Consider everything and only reject what is counter to your direct experience. But really really investigate it with an open mind so you are not just deluding yourself. So I get what you are saying...this content can make it hard to connect with others. But understand if you follow their path, you will wind up where they are mentally and emotionally. If they are where you want to be .... then sure you can take on their beliefs as your own. But if you see a path that leads to more empowerment and love of self. I'd take that one instead. But hey you are the authority of your life, so its your choice. YOU ARE SOVEREIGN.

Lol Curt will either faint or crap himself or BOTH!!!

Hey Leo your friend is on his way.....The Universe continues to move!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JlKf1QAvXA

I guess you haven't realized that black shirt Leo is not the same as white shirt Leo. White shirt Leo looks at black shirt Leo and thinks "I've come a long way." Black shirt Leo's biggest spiritual attainment= God Realization White shirt leo= I've had so many awakenings....I have no equal. So don't get so hard on black shirt Leo, he's not current White Shirt Leo.

Lol going to be mushrooms. I'm going to deal with them for awhile. Oh but I don't have any on me currently. I'm taking a year off them. Me pacing= a year of pacing lol.

I have heard that book mentioned before. It must be a good book.

It is. So true!!! I'm currently pacing before my next psychedelic trip.

Come on Carl is that the best joke you got? I know you got an inner funny man waiting to come out!!

Dealing with people is never an issue, dealing with yourself is the issue. Other people just show you your shadow. You said you are tired of dealing with other people's shadow? If their shadow bothers you, then its YOUR shadow. Your perspective will keep you alone. Whenever you have an issue in a relationship you must always look inward. The moment you blame someone else (we all do it even I do, but I stop myself lol) you are saying they have power over you. They don't. You are the ultimate authority in your life. Boundaries is easy, just be honest with yourself. If you don't want to do something....don't do it! If you want to do something do it! Its that simple! If you do not like someone's actions, tell them respectfully. If they disrespect you, you can either make a joke out of it, block then, or ignore them. The choice is yours. But you should only keep people close who energize you. If you are around people who are draining you, leave them. Honor yourself first, you DESERVE LOVE, BOTH FROM YOURSELF AND OTHERS. (Doesn't mean you force others to love you, but you don't tolerate abuse under any circumstances). Treat others with that same respect as well.

Yeah I can give you one if you want. I have been developing one the past 3 years and I believe I have a healthy one. I'll make a post in this forum later on today on how to have a healthy relationship with others. There is a phrase I use "Everything starts with you." The model will be based on your relationship with yourself. I will also reveal right now....how much of a mirror reality is....our desire to connect on this forum with each other and give each other advice and encouragment....is really a reflection of what we desire to do for ourselves. When we encourage others....the message we are telling them is really what we are telling ourselves. This is why you see people who may have been a raped...start an organization to help those who have been rape process through it. You want to help others heal....because you want to heal as well. And if you already healed....then you are doing it because you know how it felt and want others to get through it. We can never take ourselves out of the equation when it comes to relating to people.

This!!!! and more THIS!!!! Don't put such high expectations on people. People WILL LET YOU DOWN, YOU let yourself down. We are flawed it happens!!! If you cannot accept other people's imperfections then that means you cannot accept your own. Relationships only exist to point to how you feel about yourself. So if you don't like other people....you don't like yourself. Please be kinder to yourself. You deserve to be loved, both by yourself and others. But you first need to give it yourself. Allow this to happen and making friends will and maintaining those relationships will be a piece of cake.

Great take baby steps if you have to, and don't judge where you are ever. You are love itself, so give yourself all the love you deserve it!!

Correct. So next question....where do you think the desire to be MORE PRODUCTIVE comes from? I'm sure when you mean productive you are also saying you want to be more efficient (get more done in the shortest time possible) as well right? So now ask yourself.....where would this desire to be productive come from? Hint: I'm not saying its bad...its to point out the source of these desires.....

We really need to stop generalizing suffering, even in early childhood as a bad thing. For me it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I literally would not be who I am as a persona without it. One of the reasons people take so long to turn inward....is because they were able to forge healthy relationships. I was bullied and isolated....so I had no choice as a result but to self reflect, self inquire, and the rest is history. I had no choice but to fall in love with myself since I spent so much time with myself. My bad times have had more of a positive impact on my life than the good times. They always forced me out my comfort zone and into some type of growth. The good times just gave me peace and security which is good for resting between the tough times. So you can speak for people in general. Now I'm not saying my childhood was as bad as being raped or full of drugs. But I did have a father that repeatedly told me I was stupid for most of my life lol. Also use to beat me just because he was angry as well. There is more stuff....but yeah all those things taught me compassion, and increased my Self-Love.

The Universe is made of nothing. Please explain to me....how you are going to create a TOE of nothing. Additionally Reality is infinite....so again...how are you going to create a TOE of infinity? So the answer is No. You can however learn generalizations. Which is what Spirituality currently has under control. We have a lot of nice generalizations that can help you conceptualize reality. But again....Science will NEVER EVER DISCOVER EVEN 50% of known data in the universe. Think of it like this. You are in a race against infinity....and it keeps constantly changing. How would you ever catch up? You cannot. So all you will ever have is broad generalizations with some small specialties but they will always just be cracking the surface. Science doesn't even totally understand the brain, or even the depths of the ocean or space....and you think we going to create a TOE of the Universe? Let me ask you a question....explain to me who you are. Give me a map of you. Have you found yourself? Humanity can't even find themselves... and you are talking about a TOE? Humanity hasn't even fulfilled Socrate's first statement "Know thyself." I hope you can realize what you are asking....

Umm Benton....have you ever considered that somebody does know? Do you honestly think in a world of about 7.9 billion people ONLY you have the type of experiences you have? Notice the words and phrases you are using. "I end up alone my entire life.", "And nobody will talk to me." "Nobody know what it is like to be at a baseline consciousness where if I space off for to long my vision begins to get very psychedelic. Nobody knows what it’s like when what's real for me isn’t real for them. " Now try this experiment....read those lines....and pretend someone else is saying that. Then ask yourself....what advice would you give them. By the way as a hint....what you claimed happened to you....has happened to me and I read another poster on this forum who had some of those same experiences as well. So me and that guy alone already debunked your nobody knows what it is like perspective..... Please understand....as long as you take certain perspectives....you will limit your own experiences in life. With your current perspective...you WILL BE ALONE. Understand that your current beliefs will cause you to project onto different situations and will stop any potential outcomes that are opposite to what you believe.

I use to feel this way....then realized it was my own bias. All topics are valid as jokes....but it doesn't make all jokes funny. The point of comedy is to bring to the forefront what the group is afraid to speak about. Comedians, the great ones, can bring out the collective shadow of humanity and poke fun at it. Thus forcing humanity to look at its reflection and laugh at its foolishness. Only the great comedians are capable of this.

No human has 100 percent ever met their own standards. Its that imperfection in us we are often afraid to face. In psychology it is called the shadow and is the reason other people "bother" us. If we as humans truly loved ourselves unconditionally "nothing" would bother us when we interact with humans. We must first learn to love our flaws, before we can love the flaws of others. Suffering comes from the judgment of our flaws which we project onto life and say things like "Life is unfair." Life is only unfair because of your judgment. If it doesn't go your way you hate it, and if it goes your way you love it. But if it went your way all the time....that means somebody else is having a bad day everyday lol. (This isn't directed at you by the way) This is just a general post. We all collectively got some shadow work to do.

I'm glad you are noticing. Yes reality is a paradox....you just discovered one of them. The key to life is balance....if you go too far in any direction....it becomes the opposite. This is because all opposites meet. Love and hate meet, unorganized and disorganized meet, light and shadow meet, tall and short meet, and the list goes on. This is the secret of how everything is one because they are just opposites of the same thing .....that always meet.