Razard86

You are correct that as long as you are at the mercy of the experiences then you are still in the illusion. And with the examples you gave sure, if you are not in your default formless state. I been researching people who had Near Death Experiences and they say our true form is an infinite light. They did say they all merged with an infinite singularity of light. So I would say that infinity you refer to would be the one state you are not in illusion. But the point I'm saying is creation is dream. Its only an illusion because in comparison to the creator (God) its merely an illusion. But when you enter your creation as we have....its real. The point of calling it illusion is to wake you up. When God dreams those dreams are real. Its only illusion because its a dream but since it is a dream conjured up by an infinite all powerful being...its real. You see its paradoxical. I'm trying to get people to stop ignoring the paradox. You know how funny a guy looks going on this forum talking about its all illusion, then when he gets off he is worried about paying his bills or some other nonsense lol. Its better for him to say yes on the Meta level is all illusion but in the present moment right now its real to me.

Are you married with this level of a partner? Also have you been paying attention at all to current events? Birth rates are at an all time low. The divide between men and women post the invention of social media has pushed men and women apart. It is literally a global issue. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-elderly-death/south-koreans-face-lonely-deaths-as-confucian-traditions-fade-idUSBRE90K05A20130121 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokushi#:~:text=Kodokushi (孤独死) or lonely,and Japan's increasingly elderly population. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/hong-kong-women-rather-die-094022451.html This divide is happening all over the world. The modernization of humanity has dynamically changed the way men and women interact in relationships substantially and as a result has made co-habitation and other factors an issue. So yeah its gotten worse not better. Birth rates are down, marriage rates are down, and a lot more lonely people lol.

Masculine and Feminine have extremes. When Masculininity is extreme it is violent, suppressive, controlling, territorial. Femininity when it is extreme it is chaotic, unorganized, random, etc. The issue a lot of men have is women try to deny this aspect. You love bringing up the extreme aspects of the masculine but avoid the extreme aspects of the feminine. Chaos is necessary for growth and improvement. In some interpretations chaos meant undefined, or potential. It is the impermanence principle. It is why women are more open-minded, are more expressive, and why spirituality is so closely linked to the feminine. The desire to expand is a feminine desire. Its the creative aspect, the desire to not be bounded by conformity. Taken to its extreme it is chaotic, and counterproductive. When balanced with the Masculine you have creation. Newness, ingenuity.

Disclaimer: Also don't take any of this the wrong way. I can tell that you are very intelligent. I'm merely trying to push you to use that intelligence to better communicate your point. I'm a debater and deconstructionist by nature. I can tear apart most arguments because I have an ability to see multiple perspectives in an argument. So think of this as me pushing you to do so as well. An appeal to authority? If you wrote a story and told me the theme of the story was blah blah blah. Then someone I had a discussion with disagreed with me that the theme of the story was blah blah.....it wouldn't just be an appeal to authority it would literally be what the story was built upon. Now unless the argument could be substantially made that the author of said story FAILED to sufficiently write a story that upheld that theme then it wouldn't even be an issue. Calling it an appeal to authority as if that is all there is, is a copout. Come up with an actual argument don't just use labeling tactics. Yes it is an appeal to an authority when you discuss the work someone made you will bring up their viewpoints considering its there work. Me quoting you in a response to reply to you IS AN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. I must discuss YOU if I am going to have a discussion about something you have created. You are creating a viewpoint so I must appeal to what you have created to discuss it!! Seriously....what is going on here? Make a point, stop running in circles. Also don't take any of this the wrong way. I can tell that you are very intelligent. I'm merely trying to push you to use that intelligence to better communicate your point. I'm a debater and deconstructionist by nature. I can tear apart most arguments because I have an ability to see multiple perspectives in an argument. So think of this as me pushing you to do so as well.

And I'm pointing to you that you are engaging in delusion. If someone is chopping you up, you would drop all of that. I really am starting to wonder about you all on this forum. You would state all this nonsense and then when someone is chopping you up you drop it so dang fast. But I'll help you with a clue. Reality and Illusion are the same thing. If the illusion wasn't real then I would chop you up and you would feel nothing. You are in a dream, but the dream is very real. God creates reality through dreams. It is foolish to say its illusion unless you have reached a state in which the dream cannot influence or impact you. The whole point of calling it illusion is the pointer to help someone awaken. But that is all it is, a pointer. The dream is still very real in your direct experience. Only when you reach certain levels of consciousness can you transcend reality and see it for the illusion that it is. But unless you are in that state...that illusion will be very real for you.

Yeah synchronicities is just a form of intuition. For me it let me know that what was happening was supposed to happen. Recently a synchronicity helped me find a deal on a car. So ignore anybody that tells you otherwise it is divine communication from your higher self revealing something to you. Also it actually lead to events that caused my ego death. So there is that as well. And a kundalini awakening.

You are right, and you can believe that while someone chops off your arm. You are welcome to try that exercise.

This argument is akin to well I can liken how the body digests food to the circle of life. Yes you can make an analogy of anything but logic and analogies are graded on how well they fit. So let's grade your analogy. You said: "I would say that Stage Blue Christianity was a religion fit for the old age and death of mankind. Stage Orange materialism is equivalent to the hardening (vigor mortis, the “stiffness of death”) which sets in when the body dies" So here you are saying Blue which is about authority =death. Orange which is about materialism= Hardening of the body And Spiritualism= Leaving the body. Please explain how authority= death? Please explain how materialism= rigor mortis Please explain how spirituality = the spirit leaving the body.... not to even mention that you are not even in the body the body is actually in you...but I digress please explain all this. You see when you make a claim you have to actually explain it. You can't counter my analogy with a weaker analogy. Because I can VERY EASILY show how Spiral Dynamics mirrors individual human development. All of human history mirrors individual human development. But do you know how I can make that analogy? Because the people who created Spiral Dynamics have already done it on their website because they saw what I saw. Every psychologist worth their salt knows that human history is just a reflection of the individual human on a massive scale. If you are unaware of this you haven't studied it enough.

If you notice how Spiral Dynamics works, there is a stage, the next stage rejects the stage, then the third stage incorporates both and transcends them both, this keeps happening over and over. It makes sense when you think about it. By rejecting something you discover its weaknesses, but because it actually had merit....you discover the good parts it has. So then you construct something that takes the best of both worlds which makes you transcend them both. This is how we individually learn and collectively learn.

You do not realize that all of your posts cry out for control. At the end of the day, everybody is sovereign. Your desire for authority is because of your fear. You judge others as dangerous and that is why you want them to be controlled. The more authority you wield the less freedoms others have. And I cannot believe you had the audacity to talk about creativity in building structures. This lets me know you are not a student of history. All creativity gets stymied by authority. Do you even know how creativity works? Authority seeks to make massive conformity. It seeks to make things predictable. Why? Because it is easier to control. Creativity seeks to experiment and go outside the box. Many of the greatest thinkers in human history are persecuted because they think different than the masses. There are TOO MANY EXAMPLES throughout history of creativity being attempted to be stamped out. This happens in art, science, sports, etc. Whenever someone attempts to bring something new, they are immediately ridiculed and it becomes a controversy. All creativity that is created and brought forth happens IN SPITE of authority not because of it. Now I am not against authority as some order needs to be placed but every historian of human history knows that authority is linked to conservatism and if you are too conservative you DIE. Nations, empires, corporations, and all of life is under this rule. If you do not adapt you die. The irony is death is change itself. So you must die to continually live.

The only reason you say what you said is because you have a bias against Orange and Green and you don't get the point. If we kept blue, certain levels of discrimination stay in tact. Jim Crow is Blue. The Crime Bill of 90's is Blue. Affirmative Action is Blue as well. Orange and Green seek to be free of the authoritative role of government and seek more personal freedoms. Your vision is limited that is why you cannot see the progress in each step. If you think of Spiral Dynamics as the stages an individual goes throughout their life but magnified to the scale of a nation or the entire human race it makes sense. The stage of blue is just blindly listening to authority. If you stay in that stage you KILL CREATIVITY. Rebellion against authority, against customs and traditions, is what keeps the needle moving. Is this change chaotic? Yes and that is how change operates. Eventually the change gets out of control and it gets put back under some control. But the limits need to be tested first before it can become balanced. If you follow how Spiral Dynamics works you will understand that the same developmental stages they are going through we go through. Each of the stages must be gone through because each stage is NOT SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM. If you have looked at the global economic system we have today. There has been talk over the last 2 years of a Reset. Or Debt Jubilee because global debt has reached astronomical levels. It can never be repaid. Not to mention the global inequality in the distribution of resources due to exploitation of the powers that be. So all this chaos needs to be burned through before we can reach some semblance of security.

lol nice!!

Nothing. LOL.

Totally agree. That is what happened and has been within my experience. Also Near Death Experiences raise awareness as well. That crap was scary for me I almost fell through the floor more than once. I learned that we tell ourselves lies. If you seek the truth too much...you leave the dream.

Because if you don't realize you are God....you will take life too seriously. When you realize you are God two things happen. 1. You realize it is all you so you gain an appreciation for everything. 2. You will investigate what it means to be God Realized within the dream. The clue is...when you connect with your infinite consciousness you can enter a state called Samadhi within the dream which can change the experience you have here and help you reach your true potential as God in the dream. Bonus: You also realize...you don't have to do anything, so you can live completely free of all dogma, judgment, duty, etc..

Your account name goes perfectly with this quote lol.

YOU GET IT!! All logic falls apart when talking about the infinite, you only attempt to talk about it a certain way so people can understand. But the truth is...the way it is discussed is not how it actually is because infinity is NOT linear. Logic is linear, logic is finite, so you cannot use logic to explain infinity. So any logical statement that attempts to explain infinity just explains a perspective. Its like trying to cut a piece of an infinite pie that keeps generating. Then explain the piece...but the piece you removed...is replaced by another piece which is different in expression. So the moment you try to explain an aspect of infinity you are trying to freeze it in time...which cannot be done because it is impermanent. So you can only use generalizations to explain it. The moment you start getting very specific....you are now just talking perspective.

Lol Leo you might need to do a whole series on how psychopaths contribute. I already understand that part since I looked into years ago. Every personality type excels in different environments. But I don't think people have understand the role a psychopath or sociopath play in business or even crime. I can give an extreme example. America refuses to fix their gun issue. I am not advocating the following scenario so don't get any ideas: But if a sociopath went on a killing spree on all the elites, or their loved ones they would definitely change their perspective. Picture if the entire NRA were victims of gun violence. America would be singing a different tune.

Well then I believe you will get there. If you liked what you saw, truly in the depths of your being then you will pursue it and eventually become it. I totally believe you can do it....because you kind of did it right here. I did definitely poke you a bit and you remained calm so I think you are on your way. The key is to understand a man's POV. It took me 3 years to figure out a woman's POV and Spirituality just increased that knowledge. I think I actually need to fall back because I am becoming too much on the feminine side of love and I need to lean more back into the Masculine. Its all about just maintaining balance. You don't have to be perfect. You just have to be willing. As long as you are willing to understand his POV you are already ahead of majority of the human race lol.

Every single thing I listed is a result of blue. Orange and Green come after Blue. You can only reach the orange and green stage until after going through the blue stage. So again...of course he would be against blue. Blue causes orange and green. Orange and Green are reactions to the overly authoritative nature of Blue.

I admire you both.

Hell yeah us Americans have a bias against blue....do you know the current state of our country? Its like asking a slave if he is biased against slavery!! LOL. America's state= Overweight, In Debt, Wage Slavery, Breakdown of the Family, Rise in Mental Illness, Rise in feelings of distrust in government, fellow man/woman and feelings of isolation/loneliness, creates more division by creating more labels to express inequality, low literacy rate, ignorance, out of control government spending on military operations/weapons, mass shootings, want me to go on?

Well I do agree that you can certainly deceive yourself, in that respect yes it can be unconscious ( I recently had a discovery that I had a hidden emotion under layers that was revealed to me in a dream) but even then I don't know if I can call it unconscious because I was able to discover it because of a conversation me and friend had. I'll explain what I mean. There is a saying "What people tell you, is what you secretly tell yourself if there is a reaction." So basically if someone can trigger you, its because they revealed a hidden opinion you had of yourself. So I believe that while on a personal level you might have some unconscious trauma, if you pay attention other people will see it and bring it forth. So I know you know that we are all connected. One of the best things I have learned through my friendships with others is we have the ability to both see the hidden and bring it forth. So how can we be unconscious...when we are always forcing each other to wake up? The only time we don't is when we resist our reactions to what other people say. Everyone is our mirror, so even when we refuse to look at ourselves, they'll do it for us and show us our reflection. I agree with what you said in part, but me and my friends engage in radically honest conversations. I won't say its perfect, but it puts most things on the table. Also by know means have I conquered all of my fears. They just aren't unconscious because I make an honest attempt everyday to probe into the layers of layers of my ego. Maybe there is still some unconscious stuff there, I'm not arrogant enough to presume it isn't. But it will be very few. So I guess I'm projecting here, equating my personal experience onto others in this example.

It is...and it isn't. Lol remember no separation. Its all perspective. When you take a psychedelic you just raise in awareness that you are God. So technically that ego....which is part of you is part of the mind that is constructing everything. But is the ego itself doing it? No. Think of it like this. Imagine if you could give a dog a psychedelic and it is all of a sudden able to realize...its God. Lol all the psychedelic did is bring it into its awareness. It was always God dreaming the entire universe. The psychedelic just revealed it.

You took the serious part too serious, lol think of it as a reaction. Also its not about finding them, its about being them yourself. You need to be the feminine counterpart first before you can find and maintain a relationship with the masculine counterpart. So let me ask you....how well do you understand the masculine? How well have you incorporated it into your psyche? Are you able to be detached when necessary? Brutal? Are you able to rationalize survival and delay gratification? I'm not saying this to make it seem impossible but it is something that is important. And here is the kicker, are you able to tolerate someone giving you their raw emotion and accepting it and not reacting to it emotionally? You see many women want a man to be their container, to be their rock. But if a woman cannot develop that aspect within her, her man will never be able to honestly tell you how he feels. This is why most men lie to women/hide their feelings.