Razard86

I want to show you hilarious it is... A person will tell you...I am not a self, I don't see a distinction. You then throw a knife at them and they dodge. I am not a self...you then throw more knives and they dodge and hide. You take a chainsaw....you ready for some no distinction? OK OK I AM A SELF!! PLEASE DON'T HURT ME!!!! LOL. When you deny the truth...you suffer...so all you no selfs....prepare to suffer some more!!!!

I agree...I'm just annoyed by how they get stuck at no self...its like...you are literally denying what you are doing...which is acting like a finite expression...which is what a self is.

....self is both real and illusionary. Denying the realism of the self...is to point to the no self. If you had no self...you literally couldn't communicate right now. When Infinity is partial...it has no form, it become infinite possibility, with no distinction. To claim the self as illusionary is a dualistic notion, it is both real and unreal. To deny this is to make infinity finite. Because you create a limit on infinity. A self has freedom of will, it has will because it sees things as pro or con. Infinity sees no distinctions, to infinity....everything is PRO. I will make a thread to explain this because people aren't getting it.

LOL!!!!! LOL!!! I would love to hear him tell it. His delivery is hilarious.

Never mind...I get what you are doing

If there was no value....then why are you here? Why are you even typing anything....just be silent...you are still striving because you are here. You are playing a game of confusion.

^You see what you are....I am your mirror if you see arrogance....because that's what you think of yourself. Every intrepretation...is self-created about itself. The appearance just is....so you are saying....that you are arrogant.

Reality and illusion are one....stop creating a distinction between reality and illusion. Until you drop that...you don't get it!!! It took me two trips two figure this crap out. How are you deep psychonauts still confused??? I don't get it... stop b.sing Illusion only exists in relation to infinity...because infinity has no seperation. But for infinity to be finite it has to create seperation and that is why it is illusion because it was created by infinity. The difference between infinity is infinity has no free will, it gives it up. It is so in love with itself it can't help but be everything. Finitude is different. It makes distinctions, it has preferences, it sees duality and thus can make a choice. Why is decisions so hard for finitude...becauses its true nature is infinity and it wants to be everything, but if it is everything it cannot have a life and experience itself. So it has to trick itself so it can choose different things. This is how it works, and why it has to be this way. Otherwise...it can never be form. Infinity is a love addict, and once it takes an identity it becomes very attached. But you walking around here with...no experience, there is only appearance....stop all this nonsense your direct experience says otherwise. If I tortured the hell out of you...you wouldn't be saying its appearance. You would feel pain. Pain is part of infinity. Its not some construct....your feelings aren't illusion. That itself is the height of delusion because you are literally motivated BY FEELINGS!!! FEELINGS RUN REALITY!!! Why do you fall for the illusion of a body? FEELING!!! Why do you love someone....FEELING!!! Its freaking love!!! Its very freaking simple!!! So much freaking delusion.... its very funny actually.

I will saw your arms off with a chainsaw...you let me know how much of an appearance that is. You guys are so lost its hilarious. There is no difference between reality and illusion...the whole point of discovering that...is the point!!! Me cutting your arms off is not an appearance. Pain is not an appearance. You don't see pain you feel it. At the absolute level there is no difference between pain and appearance because it is based on attachment. If I am not attached to the image I won't feel the pain. But appearance and pain are different. In how they are defined. Your attachment to something causes pain when you judge what happens to the appearance. So pain is a reaction due to an attachment and a belief in separation. Stop all this nonsense that there is no experience, denying experience is denying love.

I believe sleep is death, is infinite love in disguise. I have yet to confirm this yet, but was wondering through your many trips, and noticing you have even more vivid awakenings in sleep than you do in the waking dream...obviously the distinctions between one and the other doesn't exist....which is why I think a video explaining through your direct experience...what are the ramifications about this collapsing of this distinction is. Why is sleeping important in the working dream, what function does it serve beyond what is commonly being reported so far.

Infinity....has no limits....its just utter nonsense......you see to make sense....would be a limit. To be every possibility....you would need the existence of that which makes no sense. So then you ask so is infinity stupid? Infinity....is everything.....and also nothing.....but that doesn't make sense!!! Exactly!! Sense....is finitude....so infinity doesn't make sense then? That is also a limit....it is BOTH!!! But understand....non sense is freedom.....sense making is bondage. To reach infinity....you must stop trying to make sense of it....you never will...it is the ungraspable... So....how do you reach infinity? By stop pretending that you aren't already infinite. As long as you try to grasp it, you are denying what you are. You don't even need the pointers....you just need to accept it. Sure...the pointers help to prepare you to accept it...because to accept it is...to DIE. What you think of as DEATH. All thought will be gone....all memory, there will only be....an ocean of infinite orgasms....all for free. To come into a dream...you have to think? The first thought that started this game of life...is ....WHAT AM I? You then created OTHERS, which are just you...and they reflect back at every moment what you are thinking/feeling. You then play this silly little game of pretend of what am I? But you take this game very serious!!! You need the answers! But at various levels you stop....because on a subconscious level you realize what taking this question too far will do.....it will end all individual identification.....you will become...no identity by taking in all identities all at once.....so at whatever level of fear you have of total annihilation into the ocean of infinity...you will debate/argue/deny/ that which you are.....all debate/insults/hierarchies are just mental constructions you create....and make through the illusion of pain and pleasure. But if you were ever truly honest...you would laugh at the illusion you have constructed. You have everything you ever need.....at this moment. You are an ice cube flowing in infinite love....that denies the existence of infinite love. If you could just drop your focus with the belief in a solid world, with boundaries, and labels, and see everything as an ocean of love....then you will allow yourself...to fuck the living daylights out of you in an ocean of orgasmic infinite love. You at this moment...are an infinite factory of bliss, peace, YOU ARE HEAVEN!!! ITSELF!!! But of course what I am speaking you will believe is nonsense because you are addicted to making sense!!! LOL!!! Its so very funny!!! Psychedelics can help you realize this....but if you are not open to the fact that you are INFINITE LOVE RIGHT NOW.....you would deny even that..... You are perfection, you are divine, you are all you have searched for your entire life....which is why your life is the biggest practical joke ever!!!! Its so funny!!! You only ever wanted you!!!!

You've never confirmed solipsism is not true. Just because someone says they exist...doesn't mean they do. Do you believe the people in your dreams when they tell you they exist? Name one time you experienced something outside of yourself. You just don't like the idea you are alone. Every single sensation has always been inside you. Touch, hearing, taste, thought, smell, all inside. You've confirmed nothing. Even Science has never claimed to disprove Solipsism there reasoning was it is better to assume others exist. Go look up the reasonings they use. If you take a psychedelic and get around others...you will hear their thoughts...why? Because their thoughts ARE YOUR THOUGHTS!!! There is only you. Even me typing this right now....is just YOU talking to yourself. So stop this silly notion that their are others. Even Quantum physics says the moment you observe something...you change it. That means everywhere you look, you are creating your reality.... The Buck stops with you....

^ Yes....this is the answer.

He will have to learn the hard way....even I sometimes...slip back into logic lol.....dealing with women....is like dealing with infinity.....drop the logic...it will drive you in circles lol.

But here is something interesting though....your mindset is good in this respect...if you want to unattach yourself from identification with the body your logical map is actually the way to go. So even though its not a good pointer for understanding the truth....it is actually very good for embodying the truth. Since our language uses self-reference,,,,which is complete and utter delusion...if you get rid of self reference, and the concept of others and address everything you observe and experience as YOU....then....you could release all attachment with a separate self. So your drawing is very useful for embodiment....which is really interesting. I noticed even OSHO actually spoke about this before. I cannot find the video.

That only happens...because you believe that to be true. You create your reality. You can't trick yourself out of your beliefs, the reason I am against your picture....is because it is creating a separation. If you have to place an X over the human looking at the flower to understand that the human is no different than the flower and even have to say...there is no human just a flower...then you still think the human is a person. I can look at your picture....remove the X and know the human is not seperate from the flower. There is a human and a flower...and in actuality...there is no human and a flower...there is just a scene happening...THE END. The distinction of a flower or human is an imaginary concept created to figure out what is going on. When I slap the human....I have slapped the flower. When I cut the flower...I have cut the human. Once you understand they are one....you don't need an X. The X is still a distinction you are making...by saying there is only the flower....you deny a part of the scene....thus making reality....finite. You have turned the observed into a self...and the frame which holds it....not there....even though without the frame....there is no scene. You cannot trick yourself into awakening...you either get it....or you don't.

Here is a better example... Everything in this picture....is one being. So the "human" holding the gun, along with all the "others" are the SAME being. You don't need to put an x on that which observes....that which observes and the observed...are the same. Its like looking in a mirror, seeing a different expression and thinking it is someone else. But since you are all expressions currently identifying with one expression you get fooled. There is only one being that exists....expressing itself in different forms. There is no controller, thoughts just happen, action just happens, but awareness can disconnect itself and fool itself into thinking it is acting separate.

You know...I get it....you need that drawing...to help you map it...yes there is no observer...only the observed. The observer and observed distinction is a false distinction. There is only the observed because both the screen and the happenings are one. The problem with your picture though....is you deny the human...as part of the scene. You are better off drawing a first person drawing...and saying the screen and the stuff on the screen...are the same.

^This....when all selves are combined.....it becomes no self....which is the ultimate self or as he says...I. What is the I? Awareness. Awareness is what all expression springs forth from. Without awareness...you couldn't even create a character. Without awareness...there wouldn't be a reality...you don't even realize what you are denying... You are denying direct experience...itself.

Embodiment...is probably the tallest task. Your question is the same question I have....if you master embodiment....you will be in total balance with both the infinite and finite. I believe the key to it...is to what Alan Watts says in this video.

^ Its the only way out. You are correct, anyone who disagrees....just doesn't understand. Blame, guilt, shame, is just an identity game of other. This game of separation is masterfully done to make it real. If it could be realized to be just the mirror game that it truly is....then how can you be harmed? When someone watches a movie....are they harmed? No, because they don't believe the act is real. But if I added physical pain to the event, smell, taste, all the other sensations till they felt like what was happening in the screen was happening to them....then...they could be damaged. The irony...is the movie, is happening to them...they just created a distinction between the movie and "them." Which is how we can be harmed or protected. Distinction allows you the option of pleasure, pain, and protection. I can choose to ignore something, forget something, hate something, etc... The problem is....since its you....there is no where to run and hating yourself...is how hell is created, and the devil is born.

I will answer my questions since my questions are being hidden from. 1. What is awareness?....awareness is experience. Now....if a tree falls in the woods...does it make a sound if it isn't observed? Awareness...is just experience....happening....being aware of itself. What is thought? Thought is awareness separating itself by presenting infinite contrast, attaching a definition/story to it, so it can be separated. When Infinity is realized, thought ceases...because all division...is thought up or imagined. When infinity attaches to all expression/contrast equally, it collapses and all that is left is awareness.... Then awareness...loses everything that made it a separate self, by becoming all self= no self. Then awareness....thinks....what am I? Since thought....is division.....it must divide to answer that question No self= all self, if this were not so.....a self could not be created. A self is a distinct expression.... without distinction....you cannot have conflict. So you saying right now that there is no self, and debating us right now....is literally not in your direct experience. Do you get it? The correct answer would be.... all selves are self. So right now you are arguing with your self...if that weren't true...you would be in perfect agreement. So how do you break perfect agreement?....By completing the illusion of separation. Right now as you debate us....you still believe you are separate. You are literally denying you are a self. The issue isn't whether there is a self, the issue is you think the words I am typing right now...AREN'T YOUR WORDS. You are debating with yourself...right now. You are playing the I am confused game, because if you figure out what is being said here.....you realize what you are. You don't want that, so you choose to dance around the finish line instead of crossing it.

The issue is you keep thinking you need to be a person to exist. I knew it, your problem is you think you are a person and when that was erased it scared you. A self is not a person, that is your selfish projection. The issue is what you think a self is. So I ask you right now....if I deleted your body, your memories of your life, and dropped you in an empty void and you were still aware....are you a self? What does it mean to be a self? What does it mean to exist? Don't debate, don't debate.....ponder the answer to the question.

I didn't so Michael Jackson truly awakened.....wow...who would have known? What is existing? What does it mean to exist?

What is the sense of a viewer? What is that?