Razard86

^I am just a thought in your mind....reminding you of what you are. I love you, because you are me!!! Don't worry about the concept of other....they are still experienced as other....its just seen from a different lenses but notice the beauty that the other...is YOU. If you give the space of an "other" as actually you...you will "SEE YOURSELF IN OTHERS." Its beautiful when it happens! So you are me, so why wouldn't I be on your side? Why wouldn't I want you to experience joy, and realize that everything is okay because you are always surrounded by yourself!! At all times!! The beauty is in that constant recognition, we suffer when we forget that we are always surrounded by ourselves!!

You got it.

Yes, its an intricate dance...of dropping everything to go infinite, then bringing it back to the dualistic experience and recontextualize it. Many people get lost in the pointers. All pointers are RELATIVISTIC they are only true in RELATION to what is being described. If that one thing can be understood then communication of absolute to the relative can be better understood. There not being an other is absolutely true, but relatively....there is an other. But I am interested in how saying their is no other is subtle duality? Other is the belief of a subject object relationship, saying their is no other destroys that duality. It just says....subject. Of course you could say the term subject is finite and is thus dualistic, but you could express it in a way that does not limit. But anyway it is what it is.

You already know the truth....you are just ignoring it to stay asleep. So here is my question for you....have you ever met an other who has had anything BUT subjective experience. If this is the case....then how can you say you cannot assume that subjective experience is all there is....when your entire life has been only subjective experience. Even saying "I cannot assume" is done WITHIN subjective direct experience. Do you not realize that all knowledge you have ever had is from direct experience. Everything= Direct Experience. So notice....you are doubting...using direct experience...to do it, and you are doubting that which gives you the ability to doubt. Do you recognize what is going on here? I can give you a million pointers...an infinite amount of pointers. I have read your posts you are very intelligent. So all you are doing is turning your intelligence against yourself because you are afraid to be alone. You don't like that. But what you don't realize is that even finding out everything is you...doesn't destroy the concept of "other." If anything it enhances it!! Because it allows you the space to accept an other as you, and stop judging it. It also awakens you to the fact that ANY judgment against an other...is really a judgment against YOU because they are YOU. So it supercharges your growth!! The moment you feel any resistance to anyone or anything, you get to find out....what judgment lies beneath. But this silly little game...of how do I know blah blah blah, all knowledge comes from direct experience...this WILL NEVER CHANGE. This is the stopping point, why? Because direct experience is ALL THAT IS AND WILL EVER BE!!! This has never been disproven and IT NEVER WILL. You think science hasn't tried? They have tried and all they have succeeded in doing is proving over and over that reality is a dream. They fail miserably in their attempts. Every single time.

I do accept this part of me, but Galyna...this is the Spirituality thread...where people are coming to do the last game...the game of waking up to the game. You have "your creations" asking questions to which they already know the answers. That is why I wrote this thread. Totally agree. Here is the funny part, at my job I keep coming across people who know a little bit of Spirituality. Just came across a young 24 year old woman who excitedly said we are everything and nothing at the same time but its a paradox and we cannot understand it logically. I smiled...I was like I told people on the forum people are starting to wake up. Of course....I don't believe she is doing any deep dives yet, but even knowing that much means the interest is there.

Yep just a dance around the void, avoidance. I really would love for Jordan Peterson to take 5 MEO with Mike Tyson LOL.

Rocky.....you really want others to exist. All of your attempts to construct more meaning is because you do not want to realize....that right now you could awaken in a void.....ALL ALONE. You don't want that so you construct scenarios, scenarios in which you know the end point. 1. You have never controlled a dream. No matter what you do your dream will eventually just do its own thing....so bringing up things happening randomly without you realizing it....has never been in your direct experience. So that is not proof you are not doing it. Are you conscious/aware of all times that your heart beating, or that you are breathing? You do that in your sleep fine and you go about your day focusing on other things and that continues to happen. So whether you are aware you are doing something or not has NEVER been a requirement. People sleep walk.... you do not need to be aware of in control to be doing something, only egos believe in control....there is NO CONTROL, there never was. 2. External? Did you really try this rocky? Rocky....have you ever experienced anything OUTSIDE of you? Do you feel pain OUTSIDE OF YOU? Do you experience thoughts OUTSIDE OF YOU? Do you hear sounds OUTSIDE OF YOU? Do you see objects OUTSIDE OF YOU? Where? Where is everything you see located? What you do is say the body is ME, so anything NOT the body is OUTSIDE of me. So....let's get this straight...your body digests food without your awareness, dreams without your awareness, blinks without your awareness, grows hair and nails without your awareness, but you believe it is ME!!! Even though majority of its function....is without conscious awareness. But yet...the things that you are completely unconscious of...THEY ARE SEPERATE!!! But the irony of....you could say....that whatever you perceive...is you being conscious of it. So since you are perceiving everything...then how can it NOT be you? You say its external....so is external whatever isn't the body? So right now...if you close your eyes....are you now external? The physical/matter logic is just a model. Everything you use to describe anything is just a model. Your precious science has just proven that location doesn't exist....this completely destroys the physical/matter logic model. So tell me how...with all the evidence and facts you have been presented...you still asking this? Easy....LOVE. You LOVE others, and you do not like the crumbling of the concept of an "other."

Or....that you are Leo....

Lol.....so God should print and frame this and put this on a wall? God would do this....and still ask itself these questions. Why? Because God....doesn't like this message. God loves to have "others" in which to play this identity game with itself. The biggest obstacle to God's awakening...is God's attachment to "other." This one attachment is so strong....its actually the cause of God going to sleep, and the reason it is so hard to wake up.

That's what enlightenment is, there there is one. Only one self. All is self. Even no self is also self. So no one being there, is also one being there. Why? Because all there is....is being, expressing itself infinitely.

Quality is more ego, what is quality? Judgment. What rubric is there to determine the quality? Give me any rubric and I will provide rubrics that completely disagree. Humanity has been disagreeing about quality for thousands of years....you really think quality is objective? Asceticism believe that self-denial is the highest form of living. Some would even torture themselves. So would you agree with quality of their experience? They shun the traditional concept of quality which made them create their own quality. So trying to avoid the trap of quality they constructed a new quality. All judgment does this, all interpretation, the opposite will always be at play. Any relative statement can be simplified and complicated and seen through infinite interpretations. That's why all constructions actually have no meaning at all. Because every pov...has a point. So every view...has a point, infinite points....no beginning no end. =No meaning.

The point of Enlightenment is not just liberation, it is also integration. It is the recognition that you created your ego to live life, which is an egoic experience. Reality/God is a shapeshifter, becoming enlightened allows you to break character and shapeshift. It stops you from being a "person" a "personality." It gets rid of the rigidity you have in your patterns through you thinking those patterns are "you." That's the point!! Think of it as a reset button. It allows you to RE-CREATE your character this time, in the way you want to create them. This is why it has often been also called a "rebirth." So many on the forums are wondering what's the point....(a survival based question) well there ya go. The perks are you discover what true love/peace/happiness is. You discover how you have been constructing your life. You get to reset and start a new path. You do not fear death as you understand....you are already dead. Here is a young guy who talks about his experience on 5 MEO DMT and it seems he got the message.

The biggest fear is...desire/emotions/love. Your thoughts construct meaning which generates an emotional response and that emotional response....stimulates a thought. So feeling your emotions....can be the same...if you don't identify with it. Most cannot do that because they believe their own thoughts as truth. I would say until you can stop believing your own bullshit, your emotions will always control you. Its why the Masculine suppresses emotion, because it believes its own bullshit and thus its emotions would overwhelm it. The Feminine Identifies with its emotion and doesn't suppress it, so it is overwhelmed by it. To integrate the two, you must understand the limits of your knowledge, which thus allows you to watch it without identification, which allows you use it like a tool. You thus can enjoy the ebb and flow of the emotion that arises in conjunction with the thought, without identification. So you can enjoy the world of thought and emotion...without becoming consumed by it. How do you accomplish this? Deconstruct all of your beliefs....every single ONE OF THEM. Deconstruct it till you become empty, a void. Stop this avoidance...a dance around the void. Stop trying to avoid, a void. You are a void, that is trying to avoid what you are and you love to dance around it than to accept it. Deconstruct your creation (the ego), till it is seen for the illusion that it is. That would be insanity.....but reality is insane. So go jailbreak your mind!!! Deconstruct all meaning, all purpose, all values, awaken to that which cannot be described!!! Then....you will awaken. After that....feel into your emotions....and the love, the bliss will rise like a tidal wave and come crashing down and you will be in ecstasy. Now that wave....will return to stillness, but since you are that which does not identify, which does not chase, your peaceful state, your being....becomes the base line from which you operate.

All meaning, and knowledge, is relational. Evidence....is relational. Its why quantum physics pretty much makes day to day knowledge completely and utterly useless. As you explore deeper and deeper into any topic...it starts to contradict itself. So what is evidence? Any evidence you find is going to be a generality. Its generally true, and its frequency of how often it is true varies, as the illusion of time passes that frequency can rise or fall. This is true especially on very good and specific models. Its why Leo has mentioned in the past the better the model the worse it is. Because that perfect model that can get over 90 percent success? Will be accepted as dogma and when it falls to 70 percent success of less there will be people who will never be able to see it because they take it as absolute truth and keep projecting it onto reality and as such are stuck in their biased POV. All knowledge that is not absolute will always be relative, limited, contextual, and perspectival based, and thus polluted by all of your ideals/values, and survival motivations...basically ego. Anything the ego constructs is only a partial truth. This means it is both true....and untrue. This means it will always be a truth and a lie. So if it is spewing lies....evidence and facts that it uses to buttress its point is just evidence of some truth and lies. Now...because the aspects of truth that it can perceive can help it achieve some portion of stability....it starts to think it is absolutely true and as a result....it will suffer that contradiction at some point. Some crazy stuff involving identity, and human relationships and how we perceive them is going to radically ramp up in the next coming years that is really going to mindfuck the hell out of humanity. In fact....the whole idea of what a human is.....will completely shatter. Maybe just maybe....we will stop seeing ourselves as human...and start seeing ourselves as alien? Just a thought.....

^ I mostly agree with this, enlightenment is not a destination, its a realization. The whole game is to see behind the illusion. The illusion is entirely conceptual. This is why deconstruction is so important, you need to stop projecting symbology, meaning, basically identity onto reality. Once your entire conceptual framework has been seen through as the illusion then you will stop constructing duality. Duality is just a mental construction. So deconstruct your construction, until you can see you are constructing it, and you meditate to center the mind and disallow it its normal stickiness that it loves to engage in. So you don't identity through the stickiness (meditation), and you don't believe the constructs (thoughts that are arising), do this enough....and eventually you will just ARRIVE....you will realize that your ordinary existence....by default is peaceful. THEN at this state you will default always be peaceful, but let's say you want some bliss? Then you allow yourself to feel into what ever emotion arises, but you don't identify with it. Now you can generate bliss, but you don't need it, it can come and go as it pleases and you are always at peace. That's it. Anything else someone is telling you....is complete and utter bullshit lol. So I hear a lot of people say you can't reach it through a process....you can actually. Because being asleep is a constant process. You aren't just asleep, you KEEP yourself asleep through constantly deceiving yourself. Enlightenment is just the process of stop believing your own magic tricks. Stop being the kid at the magic show...constantly trying to figure out the trick. Just admit you don't know how the trick is being done and you don't need to know. As long as you desire meaning and purpose....you will always be a ME, I don't give a damn if you deconstruct forever, or meditate forever. The only desire you should have...is to just be. When you desire to just BE, and that is your only desire....then and ONLY then you are becoming in alignment. What is reality? All that is. Being. Oneness. Existence. Unconditional Love. So when you desire to just BE, then....you are in alignment. Life is just a playground of being that the ego takes too seriously and it is because it forgot what it was. Then it spends its entire life miserable trying to obtain what it is. It runs around chasing its tail, until it realizes ....wow....I thought I was a dog...but I am actually God.

There not being a God is also another concept, its the concept of no God. ^Well if they weren't intelligent, suffering wouldn't work either. They are intelligent, they just avoid love as you have already explained they view the greatest form of love as death. Humans misuse their intelligence, which you could say is a lack of intelligence from one perspective, but from another perspective if they lacked intelligence....they could never awaken either. So its both Leo which you already know, I just noticed you like looking at humans as dumb monkeys. I don't see that at all, I see intelligent beings scared out of their mind. Well Death= unconditional happiness and enlightenment as well lol. Also that Polar Bear Avatar....Polar Bears are so got damn dangerous lol.

There is a dispute between NBA Superstar Giannis and role player Montrez Harrell. You can watch the video here. How do you interpret it? Are you able to see both sides? Also this isn't something new. Kobe Bryant once did this in a loss to the Miami Heat. https://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6205162 Notice how.....the same type of act....is seen differently? I really laugh at how humans keep playing this identity game. They actually believe...context is a real thing!!! You construct context along with everything else!! There is a side in the video who believes Giannis is right and another side who believes he is wrong. Where is the dividing line?.....LOL.

You are traumatized because you cannot let go of the trauma. So yes from one perspective you have a desire to hold onto the past, but you also have a desire to repress it as well, since if you actually focused on it and allowed those emotions to arise and worked through what happened....you would eventually be able to let it go. The suffering from trauma is your desire to process that experience and let it go, since you are afraid to face THE TRUTH (what happened) your denial of the truth causes your suffering. There is always a part of you that has a desire for truth, when that part is suppressed suffering ACTIVATES!!!

The word destiny is a very tricky word, but I guess you could say our story has already been written and we are just living through it. Everything you said is literally what is happening. Great job expressing it!!! It actually is sustainable, you are just too scared to implement it which I completely understand. Doing spirituality legitimately is the OPPOSITE of survival. The EXACT OPPOSITE of survival. You only want to do it if it helps with survival, initially it actually won't, in fact it will probably make it worse initially. But after integration....it super charges it. Spirituality is telling you to not care whether you live or die, to live completely without self-interest. To love another EQUAL to you not more or less in any direction. It is definitely sustainable....but its tough path with twists and turns but if you stick with it....it gives you the peace that passes all understanding, and if you integrate the feminine...the bliss part as well. The bliss comes and goes for me, but the peace is ever present and its surprising when you realize that the peace....is your natural state. Its why I say suffering is your creation, you create suffering and project it over your natural peace. You always pursue your desire, if he really wants to kill me, he will. If he doesn't pursue his desire he will get depressed and take it out on himself or others. Hell he might kill someone else because he let fear stop him from killing me, or he might kill himself, or do both. What do you think murder suicide is?

^Same here I made assumptions about him....but man...he has a lot of gold. I love him lol.

^ This Also look I am going to tell you a secret you will figure out one day. If you have to play ego games with a woman....more than likely she is not into you. When a woman is really into a man, he can be himself and she will tolerate his flaws, and if she is REALLY into him his perceived flaws become "cute." Whether a woman likes you or not has absolutely NOTHING to do with you and EVERYTHING to do with her. Most women chase lifestyles, if she loves your lifestyle, and the vibe she has with you, all you gotta do is lay it down in the bedroom and you got her. All these fears of what I should do is just insecurities and feelings of unworthiness. If you weren't attracted to her you wouldn't even care. So here is a secret, treat all unattractive women the same as women you would treat an average woman. Do not put them on a pedestal because they are pretty. Why? Because EVERYONE puts them on a pedestal because they are pretty. Pretty woman are drawn to men who don't think much of their pretty. A pretty woman lives life on easy mode in general when it comes to getting offers for relationships, so for her to take you seriously you have to look at her as just a girl you are getting to know. Nothing more nothing less. If you even reveal an iota of pedestalizing, you become boring and predictable. Its why Celebrities like to go where NOBODY KNOWS THEIR NAME!! LOL!! So they can be treated as an actual person and not an object to be desired lol. Not saying women don't like being desired obviously...but they do want to desired for more than their looks too. Also if you are just trying to smash....let her know up front. It will stop you from wasting your time. If she is not down...move on to someone else. If you are looking for something long term, then you can hold off a little. But personally, in general, if a woman isn't going to accept your natural persona....then you will have to pretend...and who wants to pretend when a relationship is supposed to be something authentic?

This is just another identity game. The no self all is self is literally the same thing. More Dream Talk, its just another POV. Merging the 2 POV is true God Realization. No self is the realization that everything is just an appearance and is happening with a conscious doer. So basically my body does not need to be self aware to act.....it just happens the same as my heart beat, nails growing/hair growing etc. The realization that everything is self, is just the realization that everything is self and any labels are just distinctions being conjured up that aren't actually true. Everything is really the same appearing to be separate and is just layers of layers of illusions to maintain this appearance of separateness. Both of these realizations are made, because you realize you are an infinite mind and as a result everything you see is just thought. That thought is energy, and that energy is love. But it is all just thoughts, dreams if you will. When you can realize that everything you experience has always been no different than dreams...then you are able to see both the no self and the self. Deep sleep= No self. No consciousness, no dream, complete black out entirely, non existence. Dream= Self, Consciousness, dream, existence. These are states that are interchangeable which means everything is just states of consciousness. You actually cycle back and forth for all of eternity and this is why you cannot die. You actually die and are reborn all the time, and you are actually are dead and alive at the same time as well. Life and death are just expressions of consciousness.

I agree partially, you are also given talents and abilities, this could push the envelope towards what you desire but in general I agree. You aren't obligated to desire anything, but your talents will influence in some way that desire. After all it feels good to be skilled or adept at something.

^If you don't desire anything you simply lack self-love. Love= passion, you ARE passion. Passion doesn't magically appear you generate it. You are a passion generator...the same way your heart beats, the same way you blink, is the same way passion works. If a person doesn't have anything to desire....THAT IS BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR PASSION to be that way. Let me ask you a question.....have you noticed that Holykael is PASSIONATE about his suffering? What make you think boredom isn't an expression of passion? I just work with this new employee and she complained over and over about how bored she was. What was that? Passion!!! She was passionately bored!! LOL The secret is no human has ever been responsible a day in their life. Your desire to be responsible was not for responsibilities' sake it was for survival. There are those who are responsible because they want to appear as responsible, there are those who are responsible because they fear not being accepted by others, let me ask you a question....if you found out you were immortal, and that you didn't need others to survive, would you continue to live to please them....or would you live a life based on what you want? Your only responsibility as Integral said is to your desires...when you violate that....you will become depressed. You can't force yourself not to become depressed. Now there is nothing wrong with it, it serves a purpose. It is your time out, for you to reflect and rearrange your priorities. You put yourself in jail when you get depressed and are only allowed to leave when you think about what you did!!!