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^ Wow interesting take I like it!! Maybe the human story is that...ultimately that selfishness is its own misery and acceptance is its own reward? That if you ever try to improve a creation you always do harm? But through nurturing a creation you bring it to its highest fulfillment of expression? So instead of trying to change something....nurture it instead? Maybe our lesson is wanting the best is fine, as its an act of love but maybe the best is to nurture and allow the rest versus controlling and force. I think humans represent the Universe teaching what true love is.

Care to elaborate? This sounds interesting!!

I like this girl she provides some good information. Most of these I already knew, and in general what she is speaking on is true. Watch because one of these phrases will eventually be used on you at some point lol.

Jowblob.....are you even listening to yourself? Everything you just stated that you claim I am doing...YOU ARE DOING? Are you even aware of this? You are akin to a person slapping himself telling someone else to stop slapping himself. Even the statement stop this nonsense debating...you are debating with me!!! So who needs to stop debating....when you were the one who started the debate? You have levels and levels of a lack of awareness due to levels and levels of dishonesty. Do you not realize how dishonest you are? At all? Even worse you are complaining about discussions about illusion...so why would you enter into a thread to discuss about illusion then? Do you see? You are not making sense!!! If I don't like pizza, I am not going to enter Domino's and complain about them making pizza!! I just won't enter the pizza area!!! Jowblob I suggest that before you do anything... ask yourself questions like why am I doing this? When you say things about people, ask yourself do I do the same thing? Actually take some ownership and OBSERVE YOURSELF!!! I could point out even more if I keep going but its too much!! Its way too much. Observe yourself. Please observe yourself. Your entire posts are walking contradictions. All of this is with love by the way. No judgment.

lol come on try a little harder!!!

You got it!!! All my posts are just pointers. No judgment!! Nothing wrong with distracting and entertaining yourself if you are AWARE you are doing it. All my posts are about raising awareness of what you are doing. The rest is up to you of course!!

I love this model!!! Look the easy way to understand this model is to simplify it with a healthy focus on the unhealthy aspects. Focus on the unhealthy aspects and if you are doing the opposite...then you are fine. Also focus on the fears that is described with each identity and allow those fears to dissipate. Great Model I will be using this in my own personal development thanks for sharing!!! I already see one of my issues listed here. Its so funny... I was just asking a question and I was led to this thread and given the answer!!! Life is so amazing!!!

I appreciate you, but let's just keep the responses to criticisms of me. I don't want this thread to fall into people trying to teach each other or convince each other of something. I just want people to give honest criticisms about my style.

I put you on the ignore list because I want authentic critiques. If you have an issue with a person you tell them what it is, you don't make baseless claims. If I have an issue with a company's service I am not going to name call them and walk away....that is just emotional venting. I will list to them the areas I believe they are lacking in and can be improved. Its simple, and it can help get the outcome you desire. When I asked you to provide me with that you said you were too lazy, but you weren't too lazy to add more criticism. Criticizing for the sake of criticizing is called trolling. It is an activity that unhappy people engage in because they are bored and want to feel powerful. Trolling has its place, its the comic relief of the movie of life. But since it doesn't interest me in terms of personal growth....I ignore it. I also find it annoying in serious topics.

A video that describes an important aspect of the Spiritual Process. Many here demonize being triggered, they do not understand the tremendous opportunity being triggered presents. Its a chance to cleanse or release pent up emotions. Here is a short video I found on Youtube that gives an overview of their perspective on the term/concept. A lot of people are afraid to hurt their loved ones....STOP IT. Its going to happen, obviously you are not going to do it intentionally but its going to happen anyway. It might be a belief you have, an action you take or don't take, regardless of what you do you are going to trigger others and they are going to trigger you. Its a trigger party over here!!! Don't spend your life walking on eggshells, embrace this process at whatever level you are at. Personally I love getting triggered, not because it feels good, but because it reveals....what is hidden but there.

Its a process, you unground yourself to awaken to what you are....then you ground yourself back in the illusion. Grounding is a natural process, everything in society is naturally grounding. Watching T.V., talking to people, listening to regular mainstream music, all of this is grounding.

Many people practice meditation for various reasons, so I won't say there is only one reason to do it. But many come to the practice to learn how to quiet the mind, so that they can stop suffering its constant interpretations. This is fine, but if you only do meditation then you are missing the point. Its one thing to quiet the mind, but when the mind is crafting storylines....if you believe the story it is crafting as truth...then you totally defeated the purpose. The purpose of meditation like any tool, is to release your identification with the story, but this for most people will not be enough. You also need to deconstruct all meaning and purpose in your life and recognize it for what it is, your own personal creation. Now when you practice meditation you will have fine tuned the ability to turn the mind chatter off, and if it happens to go off YOU WON'T FALL FOR ITS BULLSHIT. By using both tactics together....you will start to finally observe the character and will regain your authority. The spiritual practice is all about authority, taking ownership of your life, and not allowing your patterns to control you by becoming aware of them through dis-identification. This is something you have to do over and over and over again until you GET IT. Psychedelics, meditation, deconstruction are all just tools for you to GET IT. Once you get it....then you are free from the clutches of the illusionary ego, which was just an energetic pattern that was constructed mainly through your early life and then modified every so slightly each moment after that. Seeing the ego....is like watching things like talking, sitting, scratching, sleeping, all happening on its own...and realizing....that the thing that is doing it...ISN'T YOU. This may freak you out....but well its...true. Its no different than watching your dog running around and not identifying that the dog is you.....the same is true for your body. You are that which holds everything in existence, and the appearances just happen inside you. Obviously this also means the appearances are you....but you are also that which cannot be perceived...but just is...the isness. That just is.

^^^That is so profound!!! And it was short and sweet too!!!! Keep it up. That might be your thing!! You might be the short and sweet type that gives decades of wisdom in like 2 phrases!!! So cool!!

Hahhahahah I enjoy your assumptions. If you only knew how wrong you were!! In fact based on your answers I have learned that you struggle with feelings of unworthiness, and you actually think things like popularity, and status determine your worth!!! You see? You see how easy it is to figure out one's world view....just from the simple things they type? You will never understand your personal worth as long as you look UP to others as BETTERS and create hierarchies!! Hierarchies are systems that are used to get things done. The Queen Ant is not more important than the Worker Ants and vice versa. If you don't even understand THIS, if you still believe in things like success, fame, glory, as tools of personal value....then you are lost. But go chase that ratrace, let us know if it satisfies you and feels you with a wholeness and completeness!!

I appreciate it, I will be sloppy and haphazard at it but I'll do the best I can lol.

Holykael you only believe what you are saying because you are dishonest. So let me show you this. You said " I'm tired of seeing this bullshit perspective that reality is somehow this open sandbox when it is a blockchain... Immutable and set in stone. If the above were true....then why do you keep reading it? When people are tired of seeing something....they avoid it. So...that one statement you just said is not in alignment with your actions. Now...how does one find out the truth of their actions? Through self-observation and analyzing with themselves the possible motivations of their behavior. Or...they just consciously choose to train themselves through repetition of action and self-talk to change their course of action. Your free will is guided by desire.....find out what that desire is looking for. For most that desire is guided by comfort. Here is something to realize....reality actually wants you to be comfortable!!! But that comfort has to be earned!!! You can reach a point of total comfort....if you could drop your judgments!! If you actually decided to change the way you see things and open your mind to a different perspective maybe just maybe you could find comfort!! But the first thing you are going to have to chase.....is honesty within yourself. The more you lie to yourself to protect yourself from your judgments of yourself and others the more you will suffer. I can point to this forever, until you are brave enough to walk this path...suffering will be your best friend.

Thinking looks matter most is a trap. Looks make the interaction and effort you put in easier, but there is a famous phrase women say "He was hot/sexy until he opened his mouth." Looks are just bait, and they are the emulsifier, of all interactions with women. If a man isn't that funny or charming, the looks are a buffer to make him more palatable (easy to digest) and sure it can make it easier for him to have sex with her if she is physically attracted to him. But women aren't aroused by sex the same way that men are. Women enjoy the FANTASY of a man, far more than the actual man. If she meets you....and she cannot get a certain vibe from you....she will drop you. So while looks certainly can make it easier, if you are boring to a woman and don't have a lot of depth....she will get bored with you fast!!! This advice is only useful for long term relationships though.

Yes!! Exactly!!! The Grass Is Always Greener Is The Ultimate Human Pandemic. In one sense it has led humanity to technological marvels, in another it has led to their constant dissatisfaction. I'm just glad I got to study and be around blessed people who had obtained more of certain things that I wanted in my life, got to see first hand that they were still miserable and learned early on...that ain't it!!!

Many on the spiritual path want to release all desire so they fight and struggle to release this attachment. THIS IS A TRAP!! Why? Because you are selfish. But you say...well I want to stop being selfish, how do I do that? Are you kidding me? Do you not realize what you are asking? What is reality? The Self. Reality....IS SELFISH!!! Reality is IN LOVE WITH ITSELF!!! You are just one POV of an infinite POV. Reality is INFINITELY SELFISH!!! It loves all of its POV equally!!! Do you get it? So the trap is judging your selfishness, selfishness is LOVE, that LOVE is expressed as DESIRE, so you cannot get rid of desire....because you are one POV trying to reconnect to the INFINITE POV!!! Do you get it? So stop this silly game of trying to get rid of desire, YOU CAN'T ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!! GOD IS LOVE!!! HOW CAN GOD GET RID OF LOVE....IF GOD IS LOVE!!! So one of the things you have to realize is that you are SELFISH!!! And that's okay!!! You don't have a choice in being selfish!!! But you say.....I want to become selfless. You don't BECOME selfless, you already are!!! Selfless and Selfish is just an identity game. When you realize that ALL IS SELF, you just stop being finitely selfish, and you become INFINITELY SELFISH!!! What is infinite selfishness? Infinite Selfishness is equal love of all self, so no boundaries, all is self, if all is self, then all is well. This is how you escape the trap of desiring to rid yourself of all desire...with this realization. Notice how simple it is? You see how you craft these traps? Its so funny!!! You really think you slick don't you?? Lol but don't worry, I'm here to help you stop tricking yourself....ALL FOR LOVE!!! But hey...if you don't want to undue the illusion...that's okay too, just block me, ignore me and carry on as you will. Now ignorantly many Christians do not understand that Jesus's message was in line with Universal Love. Reality Loves you as you are, so in every relationship you seek self acceptance as you are, and at what level you do not receive it you rebel. Conflict between any two is just a refusal to accept another as they are. Now many will say does this mean I need to be a doormat? No, because you would not desire another that you love and cherish to be a doormat. You see? Think of who you love and cherish the most? What would you desire for them? Extrapolate that onto yourself and all of existence. Would you want them to live to freely make their own decisions? Would you desire their happiness? Would you desire for them freedom of expression? Would you desire for them peace and joy? Would you desire for them growth and exploration? Ask yourself these questions....ponder about this....and it will become evident what is being pointed too. Any resistance to what is, is judgment. Even resisting the resistance is judgment. If you judge, the only way to drop it, is to not judge the judgment. Explore it, seek to connect and understand why it is there, sit in it...and it will eventually fall away. Is there a specific ego you encounter who triggers you? GREAT!!! You have just discovered judgment within you. NOW...allow their expression without judgment!! Now you might say...I don't feel safe around them, okay then leave. But you don't need to be with them, to still experience them. In the safety of distance from them, experience them in your mind. Play back past events, and allow those events to express themselves in your mind. As resistance comes....don't fight it...allow it. Keep doing this over and over...and eventually....it will self-correct itself. When you face a fear and allow it expression...it falls away...in the face of your presence. Many of you wait for psychedelic trips to do this....lol. YOU ARE A TRIP! You can do it right now within your mind. Play back any event that brings resistance...and do so till the resistance falls away completely..... Here is a pattern you will notice the Bible had for this. All the major religions do obviously. https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-12.htm ^^ I say all the above in love.

Job I'm not making assumptions. Your statements betray you. If you want to learn someone listen to what they say? You made a point that was easily debunkable. Not only that when others told you that there was research out there contrary to what you said instead of looking for it you said send me a link. A more proactive question is where can I find it. So both your actions reveal you are not serious. A person serious about truth studies both sides of an argument. Also if they are not sure they ask questions. Did you ask a question? No you made a claim which means you are saying you have discovered truth. This reveals that you only look up evidence that bolsters your own beliefs because you are full of fear. Then you mention emotion. I don't give a damn if someone is rough with me if what they say is true. Because I want truth I am willing to take some pain. You don't want truth you want comfort. So that's why you believe I had emotion in my post. Also you said you had 0 emotion which is literally impossible because reality runs on desire which you would know....if you do the work. You would prefer I give you feminine compassion. If you want feminine compassion display it. I merely mirrored your aggression with aggression and you don't like it.

Here is someone who was blind, left their body and COULD SEE!!! Her example is ONE OF MANY!!! So who is creating storylines? You look for evidence to confirm your preconceived biases you aren't looking for truth. You aren't interested in looking behind the veil. Actually look for evidence that might contradict what you believe....before you come to conclusions. Its all a dream. You know only two main forms of consciousness. Being in a state of awareness= Conscious, and being in a state of no awareness= no consciousness. Everything else is just variations of these two states. Before your first memory of your life there is a blank. That blank is no awareness. When you go to sleep at night and do not dream that state is EQUAL. You fight but if you keep trying to provide evidence...I will shoot it down with its opposite every time. Why? Because your evidence is finite so I can always find its opposite. So who is crafting stories? The one who is trying to find evidence to say that a person cannot overcome blindness? Or the one who deconstructs your delusion and shows you that they can drop their attachment to their body AND SEE FOR THE FIRST TIME? You keep playing games. You aren't serious about this at all. Look if you aren't interested in waking up, stop reading my threads. They are just going to trigger you, and you don't want to be triggered. You want argue and kick and scream and use easily debunkable arguments. Everything that needs to be said has already been said and nothing you can ever say will disprove it. You know this yet you keep trying? WHY? Why are you even on this thread? Why do you dance back and forth? If you don't want to awaken....DON'T!! Go back to ordinary life? Why dance back and forth? Either go drown in infinite love or go back to the finite. But your petty points are completely meaningless in the face of the absolute.

I'm sorry they have to go through this. This can only be understood with distance....each event is constantly shaping and molding on so many levels. Once you get the message it makes sense. Study your own personal life, study it as intensely as ever, and one day....it will all make sense. It really is all love, its just pure unadulterated love...which is ridiculously powerful, and beyond all scope and measure. It really just makes sense after awhile...to just surrender to it. Its a shame...but suffering is needed for love to be fully understood. Not in all cases, but majority of cases this is true. The more one goes through suffering and integrates it, the more they understand....everything. It is through my own personal suffering....I have learned all that I have learned. Suffering is the greatest teacher, nothing teaches more profoundly. Through suffering I am constantly humbled, I am constantly given a more accurate perspective, and my lens continues to open more and more. Suffering actually increases my love, I do not love from an egoic perspective the feeling of suffering...but I do love the effects of suffering on my ego. My ego grows exponentially the more it suffers. It grows in that it becomes more fluid, less rigid, and more accepting to all that is.

1. I've been where you are.....first of all...everything you see right now...IS DECEPTION. The absolute truth is deception....its also all there is. So this little game of I could be deceiving myself....everything is deception. If you have no figured this out....you aren't doing the work seriously enough. You still think there is objective truth...there isn't. There is no objective truth, and there will never be. The only thing you can point to as objectively true....IS YOU!!! And you don't even know what you are. You are an infinite mystery....constantly deceiving yourself because you are groundless and you need a ground to have a life. Mind fuckery enough for you? 2. Here is something you can do.....try to control your own dreams. Your dreams as an ego ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN REALITY!!! So do it, go for it. Try to CONTROL your dreams. Do some day dreaming, maybe try to lucid dream at night. If you can pull that off, then you will have your answer. The sad thing about knowledge is at the end of the day you gotta find it out for yourself. No matter how many books somebody writes, no matter how much times they may guide you through meditations etc.....it won't get you anywhere!!! You need to become...what you are searching for in Joe Dispenza. He is just a guide!!! Run some actual tests!!!! If you can successfully do it through day dreaming or night dreaming....then....you can do it in reality. Report back to us your results. The Spiritual Path is the experimentation in direct experience. Gotta get some skin in the game!!!

1. The desire for needs to be met, is the expression of love. Without a desire for needs to be met, yes the dream would collapse. You need survival to be in place to keep you grounded in the dream, without survival the dream cannot be REAL. 2. You are correct...if you are conscious its an illusion...you stop caring about anything....you equally care about everything....and then you become free. No attachment to any outcome. Notice how Sadhguru is able to express this point. When an ego wants to survive, it is addicted to winning. It creates concepts such as failure/loss/defeat, and I won't go into it so deeply in this thread but at its core a desire to win= feelings of unworthiness. As long as you win =worthy. If you lose =unworthy. Survival is always about coming out on top, being powerful, invulnerable, admired, respected, revered, worshipped, emulated, and listened too. Reality equally humbles all egos in this respect...to showcase that it equally respects all. In reality's eyes, all POV are equally God. As thus all POV are worthy of being powerful, invulnerable, admired, respected, revered, worshipped, emulated, and listened too. Everything that has ever happened, is reality revealing to every POV this fact. It reveals this through the game of survival, which revolves around a game of identity.

Well explain to me what is trying to survive. What is survival? Also...what makes you think....life doesn't want you to survive? Why would you think life would be against you surviving? In your direct experience....how has life been AGAINST you surviving?