Razard86

Neil has not done any research on this topic and tries to talk like an authority figure here. Watch this video.

I wouldn't say arrogance more like you don't yet have a feel for me. Most of your conclusions are relative to what is being presented right now. If you were aware of previous posts I made then you would have greater understanding of what is being presented. I made a topic awhile back called I love my ego. If you were aware of that post then you would know I don't demonize the ego. I just point out its extremes. Part of the reason it's so hard to drop the ego for most is that we all love our egos. I don't hate the character I have constructed but I do know how it will have a tendency to construct self-serving narratives so I watched it like a hawk with the understanding that the ego is the ground of reality. Without it, there is no stability and there is only free fall. So why would I hate that which allows me to experience a 3D world?

That's the point. Unless relativity is understood, every relative view will fight for infinity. That is what history shows, that is literally what this forum post is right now. Every disagreement is just disagreement between two relative identities. If you really want to understand the silliness of this, try to understand and take in every relative point of view that exists. You will start to realize why the ONLY solution is a raising of consciousness, and why suffering is often the only way for a relative point of view to become open-minded. Egos are severely stubborn and self-righteous. In fact self-righteousness and unworthiness are the two biggest drivers of fear and what you would call ego. Once you contemplate enough of on it and really open your mind to opposing points of view and understand from their vantage point you realize that the cycle will continue forever and is designed to TEACH THAT. This is why the only solution is love, because love doesn't care about being right, it doesn't care about obtaining everything, it cares about just the experience. I have literally done field tests in my own life and I laugh because it works absolutely. If you have no agenda, and take on others agenda as your own and support and help them they instantly love you. If you drop all agenda wherever you go you will be loved. Why? Because egos want their agenda fulfilled, and can only act from a place of love once their agenda is fulfilled. Think of egos as starving animals that want to be filled before they can fill you up. So if you are always full, then you fill others up and can slowly wake them up. Humans either become more loving through intense unbearable suffering, or overwhelming nurture and kindness. There is a distinct combination each individual ego needs to learn how to be less entitled. Now you think creating rules and ethics will fix behavior? All it does is create law abiding assholes. You know those people right? They are selfish, rude, uncaring, but they pay their taxes and don't commit crimes so on paper they are "good citizens." Then they get married and traumatize their kids, and every now and then their shadow repressed parts come out even more. If they have any talent and ambition they gain some power and authority and then corrupt themselves and others in power through manipulating them through their selfish desires. You see? How do you police selfishness? You cannot!!! Corruption is selfishness! If everyone is so got damn selfish corruption will always exist. This is an absolute! Selfish only wants what it can get for itself and whatever it identifies with. From the vantage point of selfishness if it doesn't align with what it wants its bad. That view is a corrupt view.

Holykael can only be the way he currently is lol. He will change when its time for him to change. Suffering promotes change so when the suffering gets ratcheted up it will force change.

Carl- Richard its like you refuse to see. Humanity has had a code of ethics for over 2000 years. The Code of Hamurabi and the Ten Commandments, and all these other codes Magna Carter, and all these other various laws and ordinances too many too count. Do you know how much ethical violations humanity has erected? None of them have stood!! In fact the ethical boards that are required to judge those violations also violate them!! Do you see? So what you are proposing has already been done!!! The Story of Adam and Eve LITERALLY tells the story of human history and its still happening right now!!! Its every POV arguing about what is right and wrong!!! Have you not realized how humanity has learned how to be more loving? From the contrast of being less loving!! All the pain, the turmoil, the documentaries and testimonials!!! That is how humanity has learned!! For example the invention of the TV helped push white people into the civil rights movement because they could NO LONGER avoid the atrocious behavior that was being inflicted. Before that they could avert their gaze, which humans love to do when something uncomfortable happens. So you could erect ethics and society will do what they always do, which is play favorites because they are full of fear/judgment. You cannot control fear through more fear, its a never ending cycle, Eventually someone needs to reach a level where they desire to be as truthful and loving as they can be without the need to control anything. A code of ethics is a desire to control, once you want to control something....a battle for control begins. https://apnews.com/article/kristi-noem-south-dakota-872aa9adc02bdbe4c6147c671e91053e Think about it, you don't trust people so you create a code of ethics. But then you need to trust the people you put in the ethics board to be free from corruption. BUT!!! How could you find out if the ethics board becomes corrupt? Who polices them? You will need another board to investigate them too!!! But!!! What if that other person is corrupt? Who polices them? And it goes on forever. You are looking for a ground, a solution, the truth is there is no solution!!! Any solution you deem even if it works will work for a time, then a new UNFORSEEN PROBLEM will happen again. This is why Spirituality exists, because humans keep thinking they can police themselves with rules, THEY CANNOT!!! They never have and never will!! Again...why do you not erect an ethic board for the jungle? You only erect ethics for humans!! Even worse, humans are out here being unethical about the environment!! We can kill more people by destroying the earth but you are concerned about ethics in Spirituality!!! So what happens if we become wonderfully ethical with each other in social situations but completely destroy our environment? You see? You see how silly this all is? Its just identity games!!!

I appreciate it really, but I am only able to see his behavior so clearly because I have been and still on occasion do the same thing. If anything he has been a blessing for me, because he awakens the part of myself that I wouldn't see otherwise. Sometimes we have to receive what we do to others, so we can see what we do to others lol, I can speak for myself that he has been VERY beneficial for me lol.

Here is a good video that addresses what I posted. Its an old video I watched that goes very well with what is being presented.

I'm glad you realize it!! Yes I don't say anything here out of self-righteousness, I say it because there is no where to go LOL!! Everywhere we go there we are. Also I apologize for me and the other male users on this forum who have a bad habit sometimes of ignoring what you and other female users are trying to communicate in service to us stroking our desire to share/teach with others. Please be patient with us, and don't worry these two above me just gave me a taste of my own medicine and so I get to feel the emotion of those who had to handle this behavior from me. I must say Proserpina their weakness in this regard is my own weakness as well. Maybe I should change my style to a question asking style instead of a telling a person style? Hmm I need to contemplate on this more.

Oh look another teacher!! Ivankiss, this message is a message for those who are not that deep into Spirituality. Not every point of view of Consciousness is ready to do what you have listed here. For them, this suggestion is something they can use. Also if I were to play the same that's your mind playing tricks on itself thing I would also tell you, that you trying to teach me is your mind playing tricks on itself. See? I am you, so who are you teaching? Also who said I was demonizing the ego? Notice that each and every one of your interpretations are your own. I haven't demonized the ego, the ego was created by God so why would I demonize it? Again you ALSO suffer from the same issue Someone here does in that you are trying to teach instead of trying to understand. You would do well to ask questions and seek to understand first. Since you want to teach I got a teaching for you, SEEK FIRST TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE BEING UNDERSTOOD. By your response you lack understanding of what has been written.

Someone is here I think you suffer from teacheritis, you addicted to being a teacher that you literally suffer from an inability to comprehend what is being read. I literally made the point that people should be empathetic and that they should use their past actions and behaviors as a medium for more understanding of others. But notice...that your responses do not include or address any of this. So yes you are playing a game, its called the I want to be a teacher on the forum game so anybody that posts I will attempt to teach them. You have been playing it for awhile now, its getting old man. And who are you helping....I wasn't asking for help I'm sharing a message. Sigh...I really hope you don't do this in your daily life as well. Yeah my Dad fits the bill of what you are describing so I'm speaking from experience. Where do you think all my revelations come from? LOL. I literally wouldn't be who I was if it wasn't for the low conscious people in my life, hell Someone here's unconscious desire to ignore people and try to teach them even helped me in my own personal life because it allowed me to see I was doing it a lot on the forums (still do to an extent) and in my own personal relationships. Also Proserpina at a certain point we have to be willing to face that pain, whenever you feel up to it, face a little of it more and more at your own pace. You won't like it initially but you'll be glad you did when you slowly overcome all the emotional pain you have been through. Facing pain has always helped me personally in the long run in pretty much any avenue in my life.

^^^Yes powerful!!! Martin's message shines through you!!! You got it!!! I can't wait for the day humanity can drop the fear they have and learn to love themselves.

Fear clouds our vision. Also we can get locked into our perspective and only those outside of it can see what we cannot. The more we grow our perspective by opening our mind, the more we can learn about others, and thus learn about ourselves in the process. But if you open your mind totally complete...well it gets hard to ground yourself lol. Also most people don't sit around all day and contemplate about anything...so they become fossils and parrots. But hey we are all doing the best we can....

I have come across a certain individual who made a claim that Spiritual Teachings aren't needed in the Spiritual Awakening Process which revealed to me the profound ignorance some have about the topic of Self-Deception. Its amazing how some people do not get this. Self-Deception is the fundamental default ground of reality. Spiritual Teachings are the strategy guide you as God created to guide you through the process. If you believe remembering your true nature and embodying it is such a easy thing to awaken and actualize you might be the most arrogant ignorant person on the planet. If it was such a easy thing, humanity would have collectively realized and actualized it. The Ego is a very tricky creation of yours, and if you take it lightly it will co-opt your entire life and take complete control and sabotage you. I've dealt with my own ego and others enough to know its sneakiness and what has helped me recognize it is through the feeling of separateness, judgment, being the ego, and the feeling of connectedness and patience being the true authentic expression. When I tell you the EGO is the ONLY obstacle in your life, you have no idea how important that statement is. There are no other obstacles in life but the EGO, if this isn't recognized then the EGO has you completely fooled. The only problem in life is EGO, anything else is falsehood which the EGO has tricked you into believing.

Wow Infinity is definitely interesting, this thought process would have never even crossed my mind.

If you assume that there is Razard86 saying there are low consciousness people then you automatically assume yourself to be high consciousness relative to him and that put you in a low consciousness mode namely judging Razard86. But you trick yourself into believing you are not judging them based on the appearance for example... but on "their" consciousness. Oh the games you play. Notice how instead of trying to understand what was being stated here, you have a habit of trying to teach people. I wonder how often you do this, because your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what is being presented here. You need to understand relativity otherwise your comments won't relate well. You can't avoid them, sometimes you will have to work along side them. Best to learn how to deal with them when the opportunities arise.

I appreciate it, its because I strive to see reality as it is, not how I want it to be. For example....I don't like murder, but I understand that is my own bias. When Martin Luther King was murdered his death propelled the civil right movement in a way that him living could not have done. Many tragedies shake humans up and cause a massive raising in consciousness that wouldn't have happened otherwise. So while I wish he didn't die in the fashion he did, I recognize that sometimes the stick is necessary (his death) to create a positive result.

I'm doing that, if I am then you would have provided an example already. Notice you haven't done that? You just projected onto me. Do you know how easy it is to say someone did something? Easy, you just say it. No examples, no pointers, nope you just say they did something. I have repeated again, ego is when you take an absolute perspective. Please point to where I am doing that? I respond to criticism which is constructive, constructive means it can be used to build/construct from. Telling somebody they are doing something, without showing where is not constructive. Notice....how I just provided constructive criticism by explaining what the issue is.

Carl your definition of abuse is your own creation. You could literally call anything abuse, in fact how you reacted to said abuse was with abuse. So how can you demonize, what you yourself are guilty of? You see? Egos play this game of doing the very thing they demonize. Its why you cannot defeat evil, by doing the same thing. You literally have to do the hardest most counter-intuitive thing, which is love. Also abuse is love, stop this nonsense. Humans view tornadoes and hurricanes as nature abusing them. A mother yelling for her baby to stop crying from the babies eyes is abuse to them. Sometimes what you view as abuse is NECESSARY!! All actions and all identities are relative!!! If a man comes in a room and starts killing everyone, are you going to demonize murdering him? Abuse isn't a problem, its whether that abuse was necessary or not. Some people respond better to the stick, and some respond better to the carrot. If you hate the stick you will call it abuse, some see it as love. Your inability to see it as love is your own problem. I say this with love, but you might see it as abuse lol.

Why, why must yall beat yall selves up so much!! WHYY!!!!!! Seriously man, you are not a 40 year old creep, that is an identity you have taken on, and you have sentenced yourself to hell with that one!!! Shawn you are 40 years old!!! You should at least by now have recognized identity and construct awareness by now!!! Free yourself from this identity and take on one that can be more enjoyable. Also you can learn how to pick up women at any age if that is your desire. PM me and I can point you to some resources if you are interested. Other than that please, please speak more highly of yourself man.

I don't disagree that we are moving towards justice, but that is only because consciousness is rising. No structure, no system, can ever create a world that humans can live freely in. Humans must first themselves become free, before they can create a free society. Every society's problems is just a reflection of their level of consciousness. People keep focusing on the system, you can fix the system all you want (and I am not saying it doesn't need to be fixed) but until the people in the system have a paradigm shift they are just going to keep operating from a place of nepotism. In fact its funny too me that majority of people I talk to who don't understand things from a Spiritual perspective really believe that things will stay this way forever. Pretty interesting to me.

Status and leadership, and majority of the doctrine that has been taught immemorial was developed and propagated by men. So men brainwash women with propaganda then get mad that they fall for the propaganda. Women are only more prone to negative emotions because they don't suppress them, but when men who suppress emotions get around women and children they actually become more prone to negative emotions than both women and children because they have spent their entire life before then suppressing them. This is why most men in the presence of women and children are psychologically weaker and for a man to properly relate to his wife and child he actually has to full develop emotional maturity. Its easy for men to relate to the average man because he only has to show a limited amount of emotional expression around them.

Thanks for the reply, I have a buffer for the point you made. "make a list of the positive and loving qualities you have in relationship to others, and see how many of these qualities you consistently show towards yourself in day to day life." Also how about this? How often do you notice those positive and loving qualities you have in comparison to the negative qualities? Most people fear being proud of themselves because they are afraid to be arrogant so they force themselves to be humble by purposefully focusing on what they don't like about themselves, resisting all praise from others, and being overly critical in an attempt to be "perfect" or "good." This means they view themselves as something to be fixed or corrected. A lot of people live their entire lives this way, its a sad thing to realize but the traps that others fall in, recognize and avoid them for yourself.

The feeling of separation, and the massively used model of a physical, matter based reality creates a large amount of fear and a Me Against The World mentality/reality. As such most people view life as a battle zone, and home their hospital, their rest and relaxation to recuperate from the battle field. I know for me personally this was my reality for a large portion of my life but for some bizarre reason I sought truth even in the face of extreme pain but I too also sought rest and relaxation as well. Since most people are extremely self-critical of themselves, most people actually need their self-critical thoughts to be below the surface otherwise they would probably commit suicide. When people experience what is called "bad trips" they are only facing their own self-critical thoughts and the more you have the more hellish the experience. I'm sorry to say but that is how this game was designed so I am not blaming you for it, but I am bringing to awareness you can do something about it. The path to pleasure in this dream is to face pain. Its almost like a rule that the path to pleasure always involves pain. Those who get the most pleasure also seem to have experienced the most pain as well. So paradoxical this life is, its almost laughable. Anyway since most people you meet are in hell, you need to give them some heaven for them to ever open up to you at all. Got a friend who is a drunk you want to help get off that addiction? Listing them all the reasons why what they are doing is destroying their life won't work. Patience, openness in communication, receptivity, and lack of judgment is what they need. Its infuriating when someone you love is hurting themselves and you have to be patient. When they hurt you hurt, but just like all things, this too shall pass if you have the patience of a saint!!! What I am loving about life, is it keeps teaching me what love is, and what truth is and it does it so obviously and you can only receive it from a place unsullied by ego. Ego is agenda, ego is resistance, ego is preference, ego is force, ego is desire to control, ego is close-mindedness, ego is accusatory and denial of actions, ego is impatience, ego is annoyance, ego is misunderstanding, all these I have learned from personal experience. Life is a really great teacher if you listen. So I have said before, wisdom is whatever action that is taken that increases self-love. This means whatever action you do that switches the state of consciousness of others to a more loving accepting state. Here is an absolute, your ability to handle the painful, rough aspects of the truth, is equivalent to your current state of love. Since most people are at a low state of love, they need a lot of pleasure to build them up. The problem is, that pleasure is never enough because they are constantly subconsciously building up pain in the form of self-judgment and so need to constantly seek pleasure to ward off that pain and thus are stuck in an infinite loop of pleasure seeking. If you are ever engaged in working with people full of self-judgment understand they are only mean, irritable, and selfish because they are full of self-judgment. The vile behavior they are projecting outward is a result of them suffering their own vile inner talk and they need to release it to get some rest. I'm not saying it is right, but it is a necessity for their survival and sanity. Many people ask why should I be good? Easy, because goodness is peace, peace with yourself and others. Why should I detach from ego? Because Ego is conflict and lack of peace. In fact here is a good barometer for you to know if you are in ego, your peace is disturbed!!! The other barometer is you have a desire to protect or defend something absolutely, instead of relatively. Any hard stance will most likely reek of ego so beware. Egos need pleasure because they are constantly at war, so anytime you are in the process of healing and awakening the egoic, the lure will be pleasure not pain. Self-righteousness, lecturing, moralizing is not going to awaken God from within, only compassion. Critique, and direction can only be taken when the person is in an open state, in a state of receptivity which can only exist when there is security. That security is self-love. So when one has overcome their own self-judgments can they be open to even hear what is being said. People misunderstand you often because they have no desire to understand you. Open-mindedness has its own pace, and I am learning constantly through observation why things are the way they are. Each state of consciousness expresses itself a certain way, and it cannot be any other way as it is currently.

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Its on topic and you are correct!!! Its why in a lot of stories of charismatic heroic movies/t.v. shows the main character eventually befriends his/her enemy over time. Your enemy is really just someone who has a different view of right and wrong. Its why the story of Adam and Eve is so central to understanding conflict. Somebody thinks your bad based on their level of personal development and from their vantage point. 20 year old version of me actually believed in good v.s. evil and thus looked at life differently than current version of me. So 20 year old version of me would see certain people as enemies whereas current version of me sees these "enemies' as confused people who don't realize they have been brainwashed into believing good v.s. evil. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/17976-if-you-know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself-you-need To know yourself completely, is to know all others completely. ^^^^ This was even shown in the Art of War book as well. ^^^ Also I don't disagree with the thread title, its all relative!!! Sometimes you have to encourage someone first, before they can be strong, and secure enough to take criticism.