Arthogaan

You can but I think the pointer is that in doing so you get a distortion of mirror/observer ever so subtly. To get to purest unfiltered reality you have to let go of even observing, even consciousness. Pure non doing, pure letting go. Dissolution. Not even consciousness. Not even here and now. Just innefability.

This is confusing absolute vs relative perspective. Relatively speaking there is such a thing as selfishness. Understanding the causes of selfishness may cause us to be compasionate towards certain action. The fact that selfishness stems from survival does not refute selfishness. Even after realizing no-self you can look at someone as a system and contemplate how many time and resources does a particular system spend to improve it's own functioning versus how much does it spend to improve it's surrounding environment.

It has been some years after my permanent no self realization and God-Realization. Then I fulfilled my a lot remaining karmas and desires like pickup, health, finances, relationships. If I died today I can say I am fulfilled. Most of my personal ambitions are gone. Of course there are still a lot of defilements but they are much less sticky. I also spent a lot of time just doing nothing, resting and immersing myself in beauty of perception. I find myself more and more altruistic and connected to humanity, life and reality itself. But in this complicated messy world I find it very hard to even assess what help actually would be most productive and I really respect your wide understanding of world mechanics so I would really appreciate some feedback here. Whatever endeavour I imagine it seems hmmm not reaching the root so to speak. Being a medic doesn't really solve much because that's just physical stuff. Becoming a psychiatrist doesn't really solve much because people are running in circles anyway and are not really ready for deep change. Same goes for mentoring and being a spiritual teacher. And there is so much information online anyway that if someone really wants to change all is there. When I deeply ask "God/Me, what do you want me to do?" I get two sided answer - on one hand it's like "he" wants me to just be helpful in any simple action I do for the sake of experience of altruism and no self. It's just the aspect he wants me to explore - on the other hand I get this more solipsistic aspect of - All is fine already, you are the only existing, looking for being helpful is just a distraction from pure appreciation of reality. You should just focus on perceiving ever more beauty, consciousness. Humanity is not that important. Do not waste your talent for humanity. Deepen your perception. What would you say to that? And please do not answer with "you need to find what your strengths are and what resonates for you". I know that. Let's assume I am just a blank state - so I might as well very rationally and metaphysically get to the core of the issue. Why do you do what you do? I know Leo sometimes relatively you says that he wants to develop humanity to its next level when it comes to Truth. But on a deeper, Solipsistic level is that really the case? He just does what he likes, no different than looking at the sky whole day? Is there actually any real value in being altruistic or that is just a self-deception mechanism that I can consciously explore? @Leo Gura @Sincerity @Davino @Razard86 @Water by the River

This might be one of the best debates i ever saw when it comes to actually engaging with arguments, good faith and generally having fun. And I respect Destiny for being flexible enough to change his starting ground and generally very cool to see that he is not really a materialist and even acknowledges the possibility of very different logic systems.

I agree mostly but on the other end of the spectrum you can even have just simple drums with zero melody and it generates this very unique shaman-like, tribal, trance vibe - and in that unique case adding melody to it would take away from this raw, tribal feel. Check this out:

I would argue it's not about melody or rhytm but VIBES. Vibe creation. I can listen to ambient or drum&bass with simple 2 chord progression for hours if soundscape and sound engineering produces interesting vibe/archetype. It's metaphysical at it's core and its about god exploring it's different flavours and aspects.

When it comes to their silly point about consent being so coherent framework when it comes to morality I think good deconstructing counterpoints are: - eating meat, - teaching young kids anything - do we have consent from kids to condition them in a way we see proper as parents? - even eating fruits - do we have consent from the tree? Sort of. - smoking in public -> you make air worse for others -> and therefore even just by a fact of being alive you produce co2 and take oxygen - did you ask other people if you can?

I am too lazy to respond more broadly, but I agree with your points and my book recommendations for you are two: Rob Burbea - Seeing that Frees. - he speaks there a lot how CONCEPTION = PERCEPTION. And goes very deep into the defabrication of that knot. Yeshuani's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOwaZB4k0M&t=1919s - she speaks in terms of structure generating your life patterns and loops specific to you.

I am too lazy to respond more broadly, but I agree with your points and my book recommendations for you are two: Rob Burbea - Seeing that Frees. - he speaks there a lot how CONCEPTION = PERCEPTION. And goes very deep into the defabrication of that knot. Yeshuani's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOwaZB4k0M&t=1919s - she speaks in terms of structure generating your life patterns and loops specific to you.

haha, that's lovely

100% agree. You could imagine a couple arguing about something, word salad, drama, and then they suddenly just stop, look into each other eyes and all arguments seems silly.

Literally the whole point of my post was that words are just pointings. And then you do a very convenient strategy of "your words and Leo's are claims, mine words are just pointings" so you give yourself a double standard here. Relax. Do not assume so easily. And check the remnants of grasping mechanisms and mechanisms of superiority. Because thosr mechanisms can still run on their own even after seeing through a separate agent.

Golden description @Davino, or should I say Divino.

Yeah, and your words are also function of the mind. Yet they point to the Nameless. Just as Leo's words. You see other people's words and assume "ha, that's just mind's blah blah" and continue to write words yourself lol. And no need to go to "as before so called birth" - your birth never happened, the Nameless is right here, right now.

@James123 You disagreement with Leo here is just semantics and grasping to words. Everyone has slightly different connotations so it is very hard to point to true nature. But Leo saying infinity is all there is is exactly the same what you are saying. Infinity is not an experience for Leo. Maybe in your vocabulary your neural network points to something that is an experience. But the nitty gritty of all this is just that there only ever was THIS/INFINITY. Just imaginary differences happening in undescribeable, undefinable, limitless, boundaryless, self-less, THIS. When all limits, diferencess, dualities are seen through you are left with just THIS. Just this pure magic appearing out of nowhere. And that's what Leo calls infinity. And there was always just this/infinity. It only seemed otherwise because of grasping to definitions/categories/dualities.