Arthogaan

My whole life I felt a little bit out of place for how little social interaction I need to be happy. Yes there is a risk many people liking solitude are bypassing something. So you really have to be honest and look deep inside. But yes, there is a possibility that one's particular brain, personality is that of "lone wolf". I felt gaslighted for years by society, always feeling a little bit ashamed. And I remember some few years ago I watched netflix documentary "Chimp empire" about different chimps, apes, bonobos, gorrillas and their social interactions. It was mindblowing how they resemble human behaviours. And even among chimps there are less social individuals. But especially Orangutans are very solitary. They spend about 90% alone. Let's embrace our inner Orangutans for those that it genuinely resonates. Don't be gaslighted/conditioned into believing you NEED socializing BECAUSE YOU ARE HUMAN. Humans are so so complex and diverse. Genuinely check within what do you want. And don't get stuck in any end of the spectrum as your identity. One day you can be a social bonobo, another day you can be a lone orangutan. Lol. So I kinda want to defend @Leo Gura here. The message of "people are so important in life" or "happiness only true when shared" or "humans are social apes" etc. - you can find it anywhere, any family member will agree, any movie, it is engrained in our culture, it is the default. So it was very very valuable to hear Leo clearly speak about how much bullshit there is in socializing culture, and actually open a way to fully question it and actually think for myself regardless of culture. We rarelly speak how much unnecesarry suffering may be created for naturally solitary people feeling slightly ashamed of their introversion by the very harsh social default of our culture.

This is pure Gold Leo. One of your best post on the forum! So simple and so deep. Much love.

So in the total formlessness can there be pain at all? Or in it;s purest form God is so Formless that even the form of pain cannot arrise as something unpleasant.

God is so unbiased that he cannot have any aversion towards pain whatsoever? Can God even feel pain at all? Or he feels it but is so unbiased that it is not really pain to him?

I still can't wrap my head around into how Infinite Goodness generates the world with such potential for suffering. I know it is infinitely good and I know there is infinite potential for suffering but I can't grasp the mechanics of it. Is it that Goodness wants to explore/imagine physicality/materialism and how it is to be "in a body" and this necessitates the mechanism of pain receptors and suffering so that embodied life is sustained? Or are the horrors imagine not as necessity in creation but more as beutiful aspects to explore on it's own?

Yeah. And what is a defense mechanism if not imagining/creating reality to be a way that i am able to accept according to my survival agenda.

Those two comments being posted next to each other is a beautifull lesson on it's own. See how your Mind creates Beauty and Inteligence or lack thereof. You can program your mind to see more beauty and genuineness or you can program it to be more sceptical and distrusting. Both of users just saw pixels on the screen.

Yes, but as mentioned before Centerlesness is crucial. And recoqnition of Aliveness of Others-Construct. There is no less inteligence operating behind the eyes of the person you are talking with, because it is one inteligence that is speaking your words and their words. You are just as unreal/real as the person you are speaking with. Both the tip of your nose (to make the illusion of 1st person perspective) is imagined and the eyes of another. As Leo said Solipsism is true not because you are so alone, but because we are all so together.

Hmmm I'm not sure what your point is but please do not assign homework to me senpai. I didn't like school assignments

Well yes, that is kind of the crux of the matter. Because it is all of those. It is Impersonal Flow and yet also intimately loving and wanting to experience full of eros. So there are aspects/facets. And some of them are higher/purer. Like God is also unconsciouss materialist or christian fundamentalist. The Deceiver. The Lover. The Emptiness. The Truth. Etc. And I kind of wonder whether he is more of a Lover/BDSMer or a Self-Deceiver lost in it's own thoughts. Or rather I want to understand the mechanichs of how those different archetypes flow/relate. I don't know. It is a hard question to even articulate lol. Much love to you too

Just using conventional language to communicate. Feel free to exchange God with "You" or Awareness or whatever.

Yes there is one field. I am not even part of it because there is no "I". Just this. Here. Now. All of the pixels shining where they are. In front of your face. No more. No less. Just THIS. THIS IS ALL THERE IS. ALL THERE EVER WAS.

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I agree with that. It's a good description. The key to true Solipsism is dissolving the ego and any conception of someone in the center. It is totally centerless, boundaryless field. But yes. There seems to be one field. I don't have absolute certainty all the time as Leo seems to have. But just as when I feel into the aspect of Unconditional Love being pervasive in everything there is something deep deep inside that feels it as true, congruent, elegant. I get the same feeling of truth, congruency, elegancy when I accept Solipsistic view as true. It is just so so One. So so Together.

Ultimately these are just aspects of The Mind that are simultaneous - but just for fun of contemplation - there seem to be two stories happening. God is so unconditionally loving that he allows even the worst of sufferings to occur. He is so unbiased that he can love even that. There is some aspect of eros/bdsm when you think of God willing into existence the suffering and loving it. But also there is an aspect of God as ultimate deceiver. Kind of like when we are just lying on the back and daydreaming, and even though we can literally think of heaven and paradise often in our imaginations we go to some scary places. We imagine suffering of others, children in Gaza/Africa. So we literally create a universe in our mind full of suffering when we could only have been thinking good thoughts instead. Is there an aspect of God being lost in daydreaming? @Leo Gura How do you reconcile these two? How can god be at the same time Infinitely Inteligent and Good and yet actively imagine world of suffering. Whenever I am more conscious and inteligent I tend to have less negative daydreaming and more positive daydreaming. Is God more BDSM lover (as well as Lover of anything else obviously) or is he lost in his own mind. Is he so inteligent and powerful that he imagines with such intensity that he get's lost in his own daydreamings?