Arthogaan

Many people criticize Leo for his harsh style and see it as ego. I know that he is coming from a good heart I wanted to point out several things. 1. You are in Leo's house. Firstly see this forum as a house that Leo is host of. He built that place from scratch. And he invites you to come inside and eat food for free (food = insights). He does not have ads on the website, he does not have ads on YouTube. He gives huge amount of time to interact with users here for free. No other teacher provides this amount of feedback and interaction. And people come into this house and start accusing him of all the bad stuff. Of being a cult leader, of endorsing suicide. Imagine coming into someone house after host invited you for free dinner and you start rambling how his food is unhealthy and delivery of that food is egocentric and all those accusations. You are a guest here. Be more grateful for what you have chance to be part of. At some point the host has the right to become harsh towards his guests if they start to vandalize his house and accuse him. Leo is in his house and has the right to speak how he wants to when others vandalize his house (corrupt his teachings). 2. Tough Love is often Real Love. Leo is intelligent. That you have to give to him. If Leo really had bad intentions with all his knowledge of human psychology he would actually become much more lovey-dovey to manipulate people on the forum. That is something many people do, they have this loving persona because it is easily accepted and marketable. Leo could easily do that. But he cares more about you getting to the truth even at the cost of his image. Lovey dovey Love is often manipulation and image games, and tough harsh words are often True Love. 3. He gives example of being resilient to other's bullshitting. I asked myself a question: "wait, if Leo writes in that seemingly arrogant way to others it will create such culture on the forum because other will copy that style, isn't Leo aware of that?". And then I thought wait, that is exactly what Leo's message is. You have to own 100% your own sovereignty in this work. In daily lives we deal with so much bullshit from families, job and society. We are constantly brought down to unimportant stuff. Leo really give you a great example of how you have to develop some degree of healthy arrogance to just not let bullshit affect you. You do not even process it, it just bounces of off you. Because there is so much bullshit daily that you can't process and emphasize with it all. 4. Leo is your imagination. Your test of Love. This one is more abstract but Leo's core message is that actually you are the only thing in existence. Consider a possibility that Leo is carefully crafted to challenge all your ideas. First he talks about Love, and then he acts in a way that is hard for you to love. How perfect...how coincidental... You have instant opportunity to train your love, to see higher wisdom in what he does, to challenge your ideas of what teacher should behave like. Leo is your trickery mind at play. When he talks about Love, do not expect him to be loving. The real lesson is for you to love him and his outrageous words and all other humans. 5. So what? Why do we really care that much on what happens here? So what if Leo's style in worst case scenario make this forum toxic and members will leave? The message is out there, the progress has been made, the step towards psychedelic revolution has been provided. Even if it all would fall apart, still there are many great sages that will come out from this forum into the world spreading consciousness. All is well. Chill out and give others a break and that includes giving even @Leo Gura the break.

Some people are happy by spending money for exploring and living a full livestyle. Some people are happy by saving money, living by minimalist principles and having a financial freedom. It is not wrong to be frugal if it makes you happy. Accept yourself bro

For me it is really pointing to being opposed to bad wisdom. The examples he provided are just simple one sided wisdoms. But yellow stage wisdom could take all of those into account. Which he is kinda doing. Even being opposed to Wisdom is a kind of Wisdom. Wisdom is fundamental property of Consciousness, you cant just dismiss it. But still he has interesting prrspective/wisdom.

God indeed does love that and God also loves his own harsh-tough-love reaction to such behaviour.

This is all form and style. This is not the core of the teachings. If someone is too hang up on a form and constantly whining about it, that seems like a good filter for getting rid of not serious seekers which spread more toxicity than all harsh Leo comments combined.

Based

Totally!

That sounds quite like that DMT spirit to me. Fascinating stuff how it can differ from mind to mind.

Thats literally what he responded to you.

Totally agree. @Leo GuraDoes it have feminine sometimes a little bit flirty trickster energy for you? I will fail to describe it but in a way I feel like I am going into the mind house of a Mother but in that house she has some daughters that like to play games with the guests and to lovingly fuck with their minds.

@Leo Gura I really appreciate the detailed lists and honesty about meditation and spirituality. What I got from this episode the most is that our minds are so freaking different. Totally different paradigms potentialy. Inspiring to keep digging into ones mind. Thank you Leo.

Do you think no post ever should be deleted? (not leading, and I don't have an opinion).

Why not?

I do not claim to be right, and this is my own bias, but just want to put it out there that from my perspective, OP started the passive-aggressiveness and mod rightfully deleted those posts.

I've been a victim to the blade against myself Bloodletting all of my soul Sucked in, paralyzed in this vortex Reduced to silence In the dark, I've lingered too long This sharpened axe, beam of light I reach for, and I master Wield against these shadows Its purpose now revealed in silence Keep searching, question if this light ends I lost my fears and the notion of time I healed my sorrow All boundaries are illusion When you reach the centre light and Reinforce the striking power By chance you're followed

It is the same as in a nigthly dream. It is Consciousness/Dreamer/God/Mind that is waking up to being itself rather than a character inside a dream. And you could say that it is happening inside Nothingness and no-one is doing that, and dream is just dreamed, but you could also say that Mind/Self is dreaming. In your nightly dreams you could also argue that it is just happening on itself, and there is noone having a dream but actually it is your Mind generating the dream, your SELF is generating the experience of no-one doing nothing. Nothingness is genereted by the Mind/SELF.

Tell him that out of billions of possible neurotransmitters in the brain he is hallucinating daily on serotonine, melatonine, adrenaline and others. So why would he assume that those substances give any more true picture than others.

Make first trip in a while pleasant. Prepare some music, good food and take half a dose and welcome a pschedelic in a way. Say hi to the substance.

God is perfectly fine being alone. But he wants to explore itself, and creating illusion of other is one of the best mechanisms to do that.

I actually agree. But problem with rituals and strong intentions is to convince your subconscious as much as possible, and going to a jungle with shaman and vomiting is quite a scene for the subcosncious I believe. And some people will never be able to create such a strong intention within the calm of their house.

What if the additional "impure" chemicals coupled with strong intention of the shaman that you allow, creates some kind of mechanism of binding trauma and emotions to vomit which you then discard from yourself. Intention and rituals are powerful tools, I think you are a little bit too reductionistic here.

Oh okay, sorry. But in this post I can't find a contrargument to this, other than you watched a lot of him which I don't see how it is relevant.

If you want to reference other thread I am not sure why you created new thread instead of continuing there.

What if that is actually true? As far as I know Leo is conscious of that and that is by design. What you see here as a negative trait many people (me included) see as positive trait.