Arthogaan

Yes I agree. When I say you have a free will I am speaking about You as God/Consciousness not a relative ego. You are the ultimate Agent -> God. That Causeless Cause = Free Will. I just find it a shitty pointer when people assume no free will when they need to realize they are the Ultimate Agent. And to become him you need to realize that you are Willing existence into existing. So starting from the belief of "there is no free will" robs you at the very beginning of that power that you have to feel into to realize that. Neverthess very nice post brother.

You chose to belief that. Which proves Free Will. You have a free will to delude yourself that you have no free will. How can't you see? It's so simple.

He shits on every authority out there precisely because he wants us to awaken.

Consciousness/God/You is absolute too but it is a second part of the coin. Absolute in its inactive state is like this Void, Infinite Beyondness, it is not an experience because it is beyond experience. But it's active side is God/Creation. Which is the Absolute Truth too.

Yes, obviously anything put into words is not IT. But unfortunately we are not able to communicate truth directly via some kind of god-like telepathy and we have to use pointers. And I just say that "reality just is" is a shitty un-useful pointer, and that "YOU ARE" is much better pointer. Ultimately obviously both are wrong the moment they are put into words. But I just felt the need to balance the no-self voices.

Absolute just kinda sits there beyond experiencing. That is not that relevant. Leo's whole shtick is about exploring Consciousness. And there is a lot to explore and realize about it. Like Love, God, Imagination, Alien Consciousness. Absolute is beyond all that but you can't really do anything with it because it is totally Beyond all that. And people that follow Ralston or some advanced buddhist just go straight to the Absolute and become close-minded to all those sweet juicy facets of Consciousness. I am sure Leo has experience the Absolute many times, because that is inevitable in such amounts of tripping that he does. It just is unintresting. Yes Absolute "sits" there beyond all the time. So what. Lets explore Consciousness and God.

By that logic everything that Ralston says is just another word salad as well. But you are biased and therefore more charitable to Ralston than Leo.

@Leo Gura Could you say metaphorically that the ARE in "YOU ARE" has two sides, and one is free will and other is no free will? Just like in a dance, in a flow state, the dance has two sides to itself, both free will and no free will.

He meant that it doesn't really matter if we have free will or not because either case does not change the fact that YOU ARE. So needless argumentation using free will vs no free will.

Totally agreed brother. It's more like a property of Consciousness that is always Now. Never retrospectively, but You as Consciousness can realize this free agency in each moment. It's kind of like a feeling.

In that context I agree

But isn't it fundamentally connected? Because I AM, always for eternity, It means thate there ALWAYS is a possibility to focus on this AM-NESS.

That is a direct experience when you are conscious enough on high doses of psychedelics. Yes, I agree that it cannot be put into words, but what I claim is that my pointers are "definitely more useful for pointing you towards the absolute truth" than yours. So when I say "there is free will" I am ultimately just telling you the opposite of what you believe right now in order to shake you out of your current belief system. The thing is that direct realization, direct awakening leaves you with the fact THAT YOU ARE THE CREATOR. What is a fairytaile is believing in nameless thing or reality just being reality and that there is no Self. That's just stories in your Mind.

I am speaking from more absolute point of view. You as consciousness also chose to imagine those biases into yourself. And I agree that there are thoughts/choices that we do not have much agency over. But still even when we did not sleep for 2 days, are extremely hungry and cold, we still have the option to be focus on beingness itself. Isn't it magical? That there always is this choice. Doesn't it show that there is a free will at the core of it all? And after we focus on that we immediatelly gain more control over our vibration and our thoughts. After some time we can even choose our thoughts and start to transform preferences. I don't know if that counts but I did not eat anything for 7 day once hihi

What I am saying is that it does not take time, and therefore you can only choose. You cannot choose to choose, because that doesn't make sense just like trying to try doesn't make sense.

I just wanted to share a snippet from Bentinho Massaro's instagram which I found beautiful """ Remember, over and over and over and over and over again, that all there is, is God. And therefore, everything is included. It’s simple. Apply this to everything without exception: only God is. Only God exists, without exception. This will submerge the mind, not into any sort of sleepy state, but more like a merger, a blending. It will blend the mind with a non-conceptual naturalness, a non-conceptual inseparability—a lived, direct perception or knowingness of unity. And in this direct perceptual knowingness of unity, this instinctual remembrance, there is no room for a separate mind bubble (even though this unity is all-inclusive). This doesn't mean there are no thoughts, per se, but in that moment, the ability to think and reason and seek through the mind kind of dissolves. You could say it has reached the ocean—even if there is just a glimpse of that, even if there is just a miniature sense of that. For that moment, when you're in the clear acknowledgment that there is only God, without exception, literally everything that's part of your palette right now, part of your canvas right now, equals God. """

Haha. Yeah, and you believe that you have no choice, and that is your choice, of course. I will try to explain it better. Choose to choose only makes sense if I want to choose something in the future. Let's say I want to choose to meditate in 5 minutes. But I can't choose it now because future is a projection, this "in 5 minutes" has to come into NOW and only then I can choose to meditate. Because along the way of those 5 minutes I could make other choices in the NOW, which would render the previous choice false. So it only makes sense to choose now. It's like a lazy person would say "I am trying to try to clean my room" to which his enlightened mom says "dude, what do you mean trying to try? Either you try now or you are not trying. You cant try to try".

Sorry, I am not sure if I understand your question. Because I can think of nothing, that's what meditation is.

You have the choice in this very moment, but later after the choice is made, as you said "you think about it" and you can delude yourself that you had no choice. Which just prove your free will. You have so much free will that you can even choose to believe that you have no free will.

Had too google that one. I am not that smart. Care to elaborate?

I can choose to quit my meditation and be swayed into monkey mind.

Choose to choose doesn't make sense without the notion of linear time. There is only NOW, and I CAN CHOOSE to meditate NOW.

Yes! And notice the word "can" in your sentence! This "can" is the proof of your Free Will. You CAN choose to observe and meditate.

Yes. And You are too.

Pure, ego-less Consciousness/God.