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I think Hawkins comes across more Christian then Buddhist tbh, I dont seem he claiming to be a Buddhist And yes I know what you mean, they all seem to create and speak being so called enlightened. I just dont see them as decieving or lieing to us about this though, they seem to have integrity

Hawkins seems to corroborate this @Leo Gura

Fair it was actually from a David Hawkins lecture I got this. He said at some point you trust God and even surrender your compulsion and need to think, and that God will take care of the rest

Interesting as a type 5 ennegram that would be your main attachment. I have you has a 584 tri-type the scholar https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/458-the-scholar-archetype same as peterson and hawkins actually, all 3 are INTP 584 ennegrams Thats interesting to me, that if God said you dont need to think anymore, and every moment in your life will be pure peace bliss and perfection with divinity shining through, you wouldnt take that trade. Guess we all have different attachments. God speed broski

Yes kineasology would be hard to trust as an absolute measure, lots of possible confounds even if the premise is true. I think all enlightened or ego-less peoples still have lots of personality/individuality, and they can be hard to make sense of from external examination

Out of curiosity if you could surrender your ego to God including all the thinking/contemplating etc, replaced with silence, peace etc, would you even want to at this point in your life? Perhaps you have different goals then some of us here in this regard

Thanks, I had the wrong expectation from posts on this forum and that 2019 video blog post that they were going to remove the ego permenantly, so was ordering tons of 5meo malt and dmt lol!

Im sure you studied some of David Hawkins stuff, he has a pretty comprehensive model(s) and bodies of work on all of this. Do you think he was a charlatan? He doesnt come across that way at all from what Ive seen. He clearly thinks its possible to transcend the ego and all if its pleasures and sorrows to God as a permenant way of life

I dont have direct experience in this, I am not at that level yet so Im only repeating what other 'enlightened' or nondual teachers have wrote or spoke to me It seems that the beleve that there was a 'self' behind the eyes controlling or doing anything is permentnatly gone. The context change from duality to nonduality. The energetic/emotional contraction/pain/traumas accumulated since a child and attributed to a self completely gone I guess if I could sum it up: they are claiming that the negative emotional states of conciousness are gone, the contractions associated with that are gone, the pain associated with it are gone, the escapisms/compulsions associated with it are gone, the sense of identity creaitng the personal linear self is gone, and along with the default mode of time has changed to non-linear etc etc To what degree do you corroborate this? Can we expect pscyhedelics to help achieve this if it is achievable?

Interesting. In the 2019 blog video, it seemed that your veiws in the video corroborated all other spiritual teachings in the essence of ego being a seperative mechansim to reality, and a source of all mental/emotional suffering Now it seems you dont buy the same paradigm or view point at all? I understand that not all egos are equal in size, power and selfishness/cruelty/bias, but I guess the main point I took from that video and other spiritual works is: your sense of seperated small self can be completely and utterly dissolved, and life can continue after, but it seems you dont agree with this anymore

The ego is the sum total psychological and unconcious resistance patterns/structures we have all been accruing and projecting onto reality since a childhood. Its our dissociated sense of imaginary seperated self. It disconnects us from reality and from the Self/God/Reality/Life. You are deraling my thread drastically for no reason, very unkind

Im sorry but you are just adding deep confusion to this thread. Ego is NOT sensory experience, no one is claiming that. You are just derailing this thread for no reason lol. Weve all done dozens of psychedelics, silent retreats and had enlightenment experiences, pretty much everyone on these forums I assume, but that is not the original quesiton or intent of this post

(this thread has completely been derailed by armchair philosophy as usual on these forums, so cancerous) I mentioned early in one of my posts that its not possible for an ego-self to imagine life without the ego, as the attribute all of the entities survival to the ego. But people claim that this is a delusion, and that when the ego-self is dissolved, Self is seen to be the source of your life, and takes complete control over your survival in a way they say is how to communicate. So either theyre lieing, and Leo is lieing in his 2019 video. Or it is possible to give your ego-self completely to Self/God and still stay alive physically

Your beginning to confuse me, he doesnt mention ego in this video, hes simply pointing out that reality is reality before and after enlightenment...

Dr david hawkins? He wrote tons of books and videos on ego and enlightenment

Thanks, I agree with your definition, although am not there yet Thanks for your share, psychedelics etc are interesting, they are so intense and convincing, they seem like a tool that could perhaps be used to help point someone on the path of permenant ego-dissolution, or maybe jsut a pure red herring, they do feel like they could be conducive though

He's talking about temporary enlightenment experiences, not full enlightenment. When do you claim to have have reached full Enlightenment? Sorry dont mean to doubt you, just people refer to so many different things, and armchair philosophy isnt conducive in these discussions

Gotcha, alot of other people disagree with your position. Any ideas why they think there ego is dissovled, and that high-Self is running the show. The cliaim every moment is spontaenous. I also had temporary ego-dissolution experiences, and it seemed as though ego is nothing more then a pain entity accrued from childhood as a resistance to life, and not only is it possible to live without it, its much better and easier. I really resonated with Leos expeirence of it, it matched my temporary experience of it.

Thanks, to clarify are you speaking from experience or just postulating based on theory? Its not always clear in these discussions

Are we calling Enlightenment the realisation/dissolving/dropping away/permenant cessation of the ego-self? What role can psychedelics play in that journey then? They can maybe make the path more clear?

I have used Ketamine 1000+ times, and have many friends who were addicted to it. The problem is that it can lead to a complete disocciating and numbing to life, which isn't conducive in the long term. My favourite thing in the world became 0.5g of ketamine and half a bottle of rum, going deep into the k hole I can see how using it for short periods for specific purposes could be beneficial. It does seem to have a good capacity to reset or relief built up psychological tension. I actually prefer ketamine to psychedelics for sure in terms of just enjoyment, way less scary to me. Psychedelics/enthegeons produce absolutely terrorfying experiences, that seem more holistic in the long run, the opposite of escapism.

There seems to be a type of no-self, where Self takes over every aspect of you life and survival. It seems completely impossible imagine livign this way to egos, but that is what most people report who claim to have dissolved ego-self, Leo actually coroborates this in his 2019 blog video

Ah you have so many postings and videos its hard to track! I enjoyed the video, and thought you had found the ultimate end point to spirituality, was happy for you! I guess my concern is how to life the best possible human life, transcendental conciousness exploration Im happy do when the physical body dies. In that video you do a good explication of the ego-structure, how essentially it is a resistance pattern, and how it drastically influences our percpetion and enjoyment of life and reality. Do you not think dissolving the ego permentantly is the highest goal for the spiritual seeker to live a joyous and free life? Thats the impression I took from that video, which aligns with most other spiritual teachings. How have your veiws changed? Do you have a follow up video I could watch ?

OH the video made it seemd permenant. You also seemed to corroborate that removing the ego strucutre is the highest possibility for a human and the best possible life version Do you still believe one can remove the ego-structure, I think this is what traditional enlightened people are talking about?

This is 100% correct and matches my view/experience 1:1. Unlike most people Ive expereince hell realms, and been completely disconnect. After doing copious amounts of cocaine and alcohol over lon gperiods of times, and then getting into spirituality, and then relapsing hard, all of my chakras and meridians where torn and shredded adn blocked, I was in constnat 9/10 pain every waking moment for 2+ years (still am in pain), and I took heroic doses of psychedelcis to see if it would help, and Ive had soem of the most extremely terrorfiying experiences, where I beg for mercy and forgiveness whilst being shown im completely isocnnecte from God. Also the amount of resentment and hatredness towards God and life I was experiencing completely overhwelmed me too This is no joke, people could suffer an unimaginable pain for unimaginable time, a demon would be in complete pain, complete torture