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I guess for me, any element of hatredness, disdain and negativity comes up in trips, I dont get a free pass on this. But you seemed to have uncovered a cheat code, or dont seem to experience theese things in psychedelics experiences. Or perhaps its your writing style, but on face value it seems like you have a deep disdain for humanity and even being a human lol! I am not saying the trips make me in awe of humanities magnificance, quite the contrary makes me cry with tears at how much needless pain suffering and terror we cause ourselves each others and the environment due to our individual and collective pains/traumas

Aha I do actually like Bernardo, or I did I didnt read or listen to him in years, but I went through a phase. I like some of his books. Hes clearly intellignet and articulate

Actually Ive read lots of works that describe it: Your a baby, then your given an name and identity, then systemtically traumatized that causes you to dissociate from reality, you join a complex elborate society of dissociate traumatized people that have built myriad coping mechanisms and lifestyles, we create inner complex psychoglocially landscapes of characters of me, you, them, us, all completely imaginery, and then here we are

You have too much pride to listen to humans so maybe AI will help you: ### Understanding Toxic Positivity **Toxic positivity** is the excessive and ineffective overgeneralization of a happy, optimistic state across all situations. It is the belief that one should maintain a positive mindset and focus on the good aspects of any situation, no matter how dire or challenging. This can invalidate genuine emotions and experiences, leading to several negative consequences. ### How These Phrases Reflect Toxic Positivity 1. **Invalidating Genuine Emotions:** - When people face difficult situations, such as loss, failure, or trauma, being told that "everything happens for a reason" can feel dismissive. It implies that their pain or suffering is trivial and that they should find a positive aspect to focus on. - Similarly, the idea that "there is only learning" can minimize the emotional impact of adverse experiences. It suggests that negative emotions are not valid and should be replaced with a more optimistic outlook. 2. **Imposing Unrealistic Expectations:** - These phrases set an expectation that one must always find meaning or positivity in every situation, which is not always possible or healthy. It can lead individuals to suppress negative emotions, rather than processing and dealing with them constructively. - Constantly trying to find a "reason" for every event can create pressure to justify suffering or hardship, leading to frustration and guilt when such reasons are not evident. 3. **Ignoring Complex Realities:** - Life is complex, and not all events have a clear reason or lesson. Tragedies, random misfortunes, and injustices often occur without any inherent purpose. Insisting that everything happens for a reason oversimplifies these complexities. - This perspective can also ignore systemic issues or external factors that contribute to negative experiences. For instance, it can downplay the impact of social, economic, or environmental factors on an individual's circumstances. 4. **Hindering Emotional Growth:** - Emotional growth involves acknowledging and experiencing a full range of emotions, including pain, sadness, and anger. By insisting on finding a positive reason for everything, individuals may avoid dealing with these necessary emotions. - Genuine learning and growth often come from facing and processing negative experiences, not just re-framing them positively. ### Examples of Toxic Positivity in Practice - **Grief:** Telling someone who has lost a loved one that "everything happens for a reason" can invalidate their grief and pain, suggesting they should quickly move on and find some positive lesson in their loss. - **Failure:** When someone fails at a significant endeavor, insisting that "there is only learning" can dismiss their feelings of disappointment and frustration, ignoring the need for empathy and support. - **Trauma:** Suggesting that traumatic experiences happen for a reason can further traumatize individuals by implying that their suffering was necessary or deserved. ### Healthier Alternatives 1. **Validation of Emotions:** - Acknowledge and validate negative emotions. It’s important to let people know that it’s okay to feel sad, angry, or frustrated. - Example: "I’m sorry you’re going through this. It’s completely normal to feel upset." 2. **Support and Empathy:** - Offer support and understanding without immediately trying to find a silver lining. - Example: "I’m here for you. Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help." 3. **Balanced Perspective:** - Encourage a balanced perspective that allows for both positive and negative emotions. - Example: "It’s okay to feel bad right now. With time, you might find some lessons or strength from this, but it’s also okay if you don’t." 4. **Focus on Agency:** - Emphasize the individual’s agency and capacity to cope and grow, rather than suggesting that everything is predetermined. - Example: "This is a really tough situation, but I believe in your ability to get through it and find your way." By acknowledging the full spectrum of human emotions and the complexity of life’s challenges, we can provide more genuine support and foster healthier emotional growth.

No you are showing me your toxic positivity and inability to see spades. It pains you to think there someone can fall for a trap or make a spiritual mistake, its all learning lessons baby, sure that is one perspective, the other is you have just fallen for a trap, no need to get hysterical, acknowledge recity and move on. This is the textbook definition of toxic positivity You can recontextualise it however you need to make yourself feel better, and to keep your reverence in tact for Osho, I dont need this, but if you do, go ahead

You are the one changing words to ensure you maintian toxic positivity at all costs, not me, my dear friend. We are talking past each other, I was simply trying to show you the spade.

Yes toxic positivity 101, it can be your prefered lens for life, but it sint mine and caution others against it. Call a spade a spade, it wont kill you!

No this is not my understanding, we can definately fall from Grace. We can engage in negative behaviours and fall for spiritual traps. Id caution about this toxic positivity it can be very dangerous and misleading

LOL the snake trying to bite its tail

Yes now you are being more authentic and honest. You dont think he fell from Grace or this is possible. I disagree, one could start taking drugs or become and alcoholic after being in a good place. This is a fall from Grace, by its definition. If you struggle to see Osho in this way, it pains you, then you can write it in whatever feels better for you. It certainly isnt more true, and fairness as nothing to do with it, again just speaks more about your incapacity to view thigns are they are Its akin to toxic positivity basically an incapacity to see things authentically as they are

You are re-wiritng things in a way that makes you feel good and paints Osho in a good way, you are purposefully re-writing everything so nothing negative can be appended to him in anyway. I dont have the same need to play the same games

Yes you have a desire to see things from rose tinted glasses. To view things as they are are in an objective manner would be unplasant or unfavourable to you. So to paint it in a positive way makes you feel good right?

Yeah gotcha then we have different perspective, he fell down to me, became ill, was doing drugs and then died, just another fall from Grace

I like Osho and some of his work, not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, just trying to be honest and accurate Its not an issue for me to parse the good stuff and leave the other stuff, also doesnt impact my view on him. If anything just gives me more to learn from, like I said its clear there is no permenant spiritual impunity to act like you want at a certain level

I like Dr David Hawkins perspective on this, he wrote a book called Power vs Force. In one of his video lectures, he talks about level 700/1000 as being the beginning of Enlightenment, but this level (700) specificllly has some traps around the misuse of power. He directy adddress this and is speaking about Osho as one who fell from the 700s to below the 200s.

Not really, darnkess doesnt actually exist, there is only low levels of light, you call this darkness. But its still light. There are only different degrees of light or illumination Power from selflessness, love, unity is positive. Sorry if my previous post was misleading, not all power is wrong, authentic power which is synonyms with love is positive for sure

No this is complete false, and wrong view, Love is infinite freedom and unconditionality actual, not sure what understanding of love you have or expeirenced lol!

Power for the sake of power, or power to manipualte and control others is always negative. True power comes from selflessness and love Osho was confused and had a clear fall from grace, same as Trungpa, Watts etc etc Dont mistake intelltual oration for any deep state of being

After all the psychedelics you have done, do you have any truama, tensions, emotional stress left? It doesnt seemed to have healed your disdain for humanity which is wierd, I would be punished ruthless for any hatred in my mind during trips, you seem to get off way more easily then me lol!

Quite clearly one can fall from grace. Even reaching higher states of conciousness doesnt give infinite impunity. Seems the goal of life is to reach a high level of baseline conciousness, and proceed to live a queit peaceful life. All forms of power, abuse etc will lead back down to hell eventually

Wait I thought you preferred SubQ ?

Thank you appreciate it. I read so many books on spirituality that very rarely I find something innovative. Like I shared before David Hawkins is about the only spiritual teacher that has a novel way of approaching spirituality and conciousness, with coherent models and explanations that integrate other spirtual teachings with theology into a single framework. This was interesting for me to learn his model or framework Ive read several zen books, and it never resonated with me that deeply, alot of round about the houses communication style, very indirect. From my research Ralston seems like a derivative of zen or his own take on it. At first glance is doesnt seem so interesting or novel to me.

OF course, I respond to the task at hand!

LOL! And the circle continues. I dont want to argue either, I want to learn, to do this, me and the other humans will need you to substantiate yourself to some degree, something at all would be good - its much appreciated.

No offence but are you brain dead, you're literally repeating the same bullshit ive been highlighitng all throughout the thread. Why not acquire some intelligence, work on articulation skills, and EXPLAIN EXATLY WHAT ABOUT THIS FUCKING WORK YOU LIKE AND WHY WE SHOULD STUDY IT, Simply saying 'herp derp u guyz not smart u must read his bookz', is no compelling fucking reason to read his work, infact quite the opposite. This is standard discourse etiquette, simply parotting 'Your mising out if you dont read his work.' 'Im not telling you you need to read the work' is pure utter idioicy. Even your response is just fucking idioicy, your non-specific, you cannot formulate a single specific argument or point to save your life, its maddening