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@Leo Gura I think making excuses for him makes no sense. I`m surprised at the scale he reached. If I had to predict 10 years ago if this would happen, I would have never guessed. Maybe my faith in humanity is too big This is actually a positive thing that happened, a lot of people will change because of Tate now, both men and women. People will think about the consequences of their actions, self-reflect to conquer the Andrew Tate inside them, and also women fantasy about these types of men.

@Leo Gura Exactly, and this is the point, even if he told the girls:"I will rape you in the future". Some of them will still go with him Even if he told the men:"This is a scam, please pay 50$", they still will pay. What does it say about us as a society? That is the question, fuck the person of Tate, he does not matter, he opened a wound in society's soul.

@Tyler Robinson Stop taking the internet so seriously, talking about Andrew Tate is fun. Take a birds-eye view of the situation, don`t you find it ironic that from a Lambo he will sit near some felons in prison, eating rice and chicken or chicken with rice? Life is a comedy :))))

@Leo Gura Of course, he is a toxic fraud nobody is arguing against that. None of my points had anything to do with Tate as a person. He is not a normal pimp or a normal scammer, it is like saying that Hitler was a normal racist. Hitler exposed in the german people a deep resentment for Jews on a mass scale. Tate exposed a deep resentment for women on a mass scale, the number of people that subscribe to his viewpoints are metrics of where we are as a society. Also why he can be important if he has a redemption arc.

@Leo Gura Correct sexual exploitation, bad use of the word game.

@Leo Gura But this is a normal pimp game, isolate your target, control everything, and make her your only social circle. PIMP from Tate definition means positively inspirational motivating person :))). He did not hide what he was doing, also he did not hide what he was doing to the men that followed these women on webcams, he teaches women how to extract money from men. He positioned himself somewhere in the middle to get money/power/status. This is all evident everywhere for men and also for women, but still, women went to his parties and also men followed him like a Messiah. Even if he had a hat on with I`m a rapist/scammer people still will follow him. Why? because he promoted a fault in stage Orange to use the spiral dynamics, materialism, status, and narcissism that actually plagues this society. In my opinion, he is very important for the transition to the next level he may be after all of this unfolds a point of inflection to the next stage, only if he will see his own faults and admit them. If Andrew will apologize to Greta in an year from now, after prison, trust me, society will advance, culturally, he is that important.

@Leo Gura Does it matter? Also, the women treat these men as status objects to enhance themselves. These are social experiments, all of these examples, are data points of human behavior, our knowledge is increasing, and the fact that it is in the public eye it has a greater impact. The point which I`m curious about Tate, is what happens next, Trump will not change, but Tate will this is my prediction.

@Lyubov Tate is smart enough to have a redemption arc, also I do not think you watched most of his stuff, also what triggered his obsession with power. He actually reveals why he does what he does. First, he is always looking for the approval of powerful men (his father), see how he started his casino business. Why status? well because of the same reason. His ambition comes from his chronic boredom, he cannot stay still, and he must do something. Relationships with women are just revenge from his younger self, see some earlier vids. Any man has some Andrew Tate in him, he is a reflection of yourself if you watch closely, at some point in your life you had the same thoughts as him. I have faith in him that he can make it 10 years, after a process of reinvention, also prison will be the place for him to discover spirituality, being alone with his own thoughts and having the discipline that he has, he is a very good candidate for a powerful leader in the future. This will be the best time of his life, even if he knows it or not.

@Lyubov I actually believe there is a lot to learn from Tate. If you ever watched his stuff you will understand also if you ever talk with girls that met him. Power is addictive, hedonism creates monsters/victims, on both sides. You need to understand women went with him for the lifestyle, then had immense insecurities related to their status in society so they decided with all of the info out there to still do it and be placed in an environment they could not control. I hope that also women share some blame for this, if not and it is all placed on Tate, this will be repeated by other guys but this time it will be done much more privately.

@Alta I can share a personal story about this topic in private if you want to learn about the dangers of this expression and what it can lead to.

@petar8p Thank you Andrew is actually a very good example of: stage orange; the stupidity of the feminist movement which he was created by, remember if women have zero responsibility with their bodies and souls, to be honest, no conservative girl would do webcam for him, none. Imagine you are 19 years girl, and someone tells you, to go be free you are liberated, then Andrew comes and says: "hey girl wanna go on my boat, and make money?"; the stupidity of the red pill movement to idolize false prophets, then when they fail, they will fall into depression and keep their ideas until the end. It is normal for him to be discussed he exposed a lot of problems with minimal casualties, and his fame is something to be celebrated, everyone will have an open eye, men or women.

@Alta Respectful and appreciative society? Why? It needs to be also functional and practical society. Why you do not see this? It is not practical to express yourself all the time, you need to fall in line sometimes, and compassion works to a certain degree. Look the only society where this is applicable is a very wealthy society, where you have this luxury to express yourself and think about what you are feeling, can I be a man/woman etc. Where there is survival in question, everything you said falls out the window, respect and compassion do not build the world, it just makes the world better with a foundation in place. The problem is that with this you risk destroying that foundation. Sometimes maybe you are stupid and do not deserve respect or compassion, a metaphorical slap on the face has some positive effects.

The universe has no limitations :))) Dude this is funny, human intelligence is a mix of a lot of things, not data. Human intelligence is actually from little data you can invent things, we guess most of the time. So in a universe where there are no limitations, which intelligence is better? one that needs data all the time to function or one that needs little data and can be creative?

@Danioover9000 Why kill Andrew Tate? :)))) He is necessary for the history of the internet, he is neither good nor evil, that is insane, he is part of our development as a society. People need to learn and become wiser, even if he did some bad things, imagine how many women have been saved that wanted to do webcam stuff in the future, or trips to Dubai with shady people, after all of this is exposed. The most popular man on the internet will have a great story to tell and possibly also a redemption one. This will be in the end a net positive.

@Thought Art Social construct vagina is:" how you feel having a vagina", society says you must feel this way but you cannot. For most people what society has constructed for them works, for some no.

@Alta Read again your topic title, you asked how you f you enlighten people, if you want to do that then follow what I told you or be alone. This is wrong and just a supposition, it is not tested and you cannot make definitive arguments based on it. What society can be if we fully express whatever you want to express all the time or by getting rid of labels or genders? Understand if you want to change someone's mind is not about you! is about the other person

@Osaid You mixed the person A and B in your previous post

@Osaid Yeah you are right but in this conversation the B person is not wise at all :))) A correct question is this one: - What do you find beautiful about the opposite gender that you can express in yourself? Studies are stupid in these types of conversations because we are talking about emotions, not rationality, or we talk in a post-rational way. That also means that person B, has no experience with gender at all, and not his own ideas.

I have to say something about Andrew and Romania. (I`m Romanian) . First of all, understand the following he wants power. He did not become a Muslim because he found Allah, he did that in order to buy property in Dubai or Qatar, you need to be Muslim there. Second, he is misogynist because he needs to say those things, and act in a way that seems that he actually believes in Islam. Third, he did not do human trafficking in the real sense or how people imagine it to be. I have talked with one of the girls that went to his parties she explained the following: "He teaches women how to act and make men fall in love with them, and puts these girls in contact with influential people all over the world, that is the point of these parties, power/money/status, also they film all the stuff, hidden cameras, voice recording etc.". Most of the girls are from SeekingArangement, not Instagram or Tinder, so there is a business side to this "trafficking". Forth, Romania is a corrupt country, if he got arrested he upset the wrong people inside our country, and he was permitted to stay and do those things, whether he knows it or not. The Tate brothers are in the business of making men fall in love with women with the end goal to achieve power over other men. If you want to do that of course you need to view women as property or assets and tell men what they want to hear. To be honest Tates views on everything are just a show, either if you agree with him or not it does not matter, because, in reality, we do not know what he truly thinks, these debates are pointless.

@Osaid I think the question is how you change people's opinions about gender. My response is not to be crazy and overexpressed, we are afraid of drastic changes that we do not understand (the root problem is fear, fix the fear, fix the openness to understanding). We all know deep inside that gender/sex is a social construct but it is not inherently a bad thing it keeps society functioning in an orderly way. I can make an analogy you can express yourself with tattoos: have one/two classy looks cool, something that is related to you, hard to notice, it gives you a flavor to your personality. have 50, with one on the face, 5 quotes, a butterfly, a dragon, 5 starts etc. it makes you look crazy and unstable, now I`m more inclined to not talk to you and reject tattoos altogether and not care about any tattoo theory.

This talk about gender is annoying. If you feel the need to express your gender do it under whatever umbrella term you want. The problem with that is practicability related to interactions with other people. We have inherent in us a way to make patterns and do read people based on previous experiences or social norms. If you are a woman (biologically born) but look like a man or dress in a way that I do not understand, I`m confused about how to act near you, wants preferences, topics of discussion etc. So that means I need to invest time to understand what and who you are since you are something that is unfamiliar to me or to anybody else, you want to be unique then do it, but expect to be alone. Social norms or uniforms have roles they are not random inventions. If you meet some stereotypical man or woman (think of any example you like, think about a conservative type), then you focus on their character, personality, and sense of humor. You kinda have the feeling that you already know something about the other person, then you discover step by step, which is more fun and engaging. If you meet an allover the place gender expression person you are always starting from zero. The key is always to do it with class, do not over-express, be stereotypical but with a twist, do not add too much otherwise you will make a salad.