Nilsi

It's a blur. If you're having a heart surgery, there is a clear "a to b" procedure and we can enforce clear ethical guidelines around it. If you're a psychoanalyst, things get a lot trickier. Do you think Peter Ralstons retreats are ethical? What about Carl Jung banging his patients? How about Adi Das commune? Is it unethical if it does what it's supposed to do? And, of course, ethics are directly antithetical to Truth.

Nice meme.

He [Ken Wilber] lacks, entirely, the 7th Code, and has no idea how/when/where each of the Codes have emerged. I will gladly challenge him to a public debate but he still hides out in his loft in Denver. The whole idea of “tiers” is uniquely language from our work which he “steals” in order to market his. The man lacks any ethical basis when he does so. He is nothing beyond RED-ORANGE. If he wants to develop his own system then he should do so without exploiting my life time of work which he continues to do.

When working on Zen, some people, owing to their incapability [or just reluctance] of raising the "doubt-sensation," begin to suppress the arising of thoughts. When all thoughts have been suppressed, these people experience a lucid and pure serenity, thoroughly clear, without the slightest taint. This, however, constitutes the very root source of the consciousness which they cannot break through. This is the consciousness within the realm of life and death. It is not Zen. Their fault is that at the start of their Zen practice they did not work penetratingly enough on the Hua Tou: thus, the doubt-sensation did not arise. As a result they either suppress thought and become dead-void heretics, or plunging into self-indulgent conceit, they mislead and cheat the ignorant, diverting people's faith and hindering their progress on the Bodhi Path.

How? Ever heard of Elon Musk, Daniel Schmachtenberger, Nikola Tesla...? INTJs are notoriously great at a lot of things. Leo is a prototypical INTJ.

Of course. I'm obviously not saying, "let's write a list of people that would be qualified to create and enforce such rules"; I'm saying "let's not create and enforce such rules in the first place."

This is the reality of your situation. I genuinely care for you, but I can't help you any other way than this.

If you insist. The finger is still pointing to the moon...

You're conflating the absolute with the relative as well though. Spirituality is pointing to the absolute. You can deny this all you want, but at a certain point these conversations just break down, because you can't contain the truth in some finite ethical system. It's almost as if some bald guy named Ken Wilber had been talking about this shit for 30 years now...

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You can't give people that are spiritually clueless a say in these things, that's just out of question. We need better education, better parenting, better governance, better religion, better economics, better agriculture, better communities...- yes. You can't just nail some tenets to a wall and expect that to solve this problem.

Nobody here is advocating for abuse. This is like saying "if you're against gun control, you support school shootings."

In my book you're not being a man if you run away from your commitments and responsibilities.

Fine. The point is, you're not being a man then.

Go to psycINFO or whatever database your university uses and search for Spiral Dynamics, or Integral and related stuff.

Take it or leave it.

Ikr

Just running away from your family and generally being an asshole does not make you a man. You could have gone there for Christmas and had a straight forward face to face talk with your family about your boundaries, but instead you're hiding and ignoring them like a little child.

Why on God's green earth do you give these people authority in the first place? Totally. I'm interested in that as well. I don't see this trend. Isolation sucks. We should create culture, social systems and individuals, that are capable of supporting you and being there for you, but we can't walk your "spiritual path" for you, that's just how it is

That's fair, but dismissing modern knowledge entirely is obviously not a smart move either. It's not that interesting, I agree. The juice is really in all the models he's integrating. If you're deeply into psychology and familiar with all the source material, you will probably get way more out of this book, than an interested lay person, such as we will. Sex, Ecology, Spirituality is fantastic though (I hope you have read this one... or else!)

Every iteration of EA's FIFA is the same game at its core, yet compare FIFA 99 to FIFA 23.

He's actually not. The way he talks about those things is how they should he talked about. Whether you agree with his politics is another issue.

lol If anything, he should listen to Leo on this point. Leo is right for cutting through bullshit when it comes to Truth. If you try to fit Truth into some moral system, you corrupt it - that's the point, no?

Because one is a belief system and the other is a direct experience of Truth. I agree that we need better belief systems, that's not the issue.