Nilsi

Not what I wanted to hear, but makes sense lol.

What? ?

That has always made sense to me. I have so far been going about changing my brain chemistry more conservatively (meditation, diet, supplements, microdosing etc.), since nowhere it is written that you have to take psychedelics to understand consciousness lol, but it seems plausible that psychedelics might be a kind of gatekeeper for the deepest waters. So I guess the bottleneck is the limitations my human form impose on my consciousness?

Duhhh.

How would I know? When is start a relationship or try to understand a new topic, I'm also in a sense commiting myself to it, but I also know that it might suck and I'll drop it again.

ESFJs make my blood boil. My mum and one of my roommates are ESFJ. I'm usually quite stoic but their touchy-feelyness drives me crazy sometimes; and they are so fucking anal about their petty little rituals and conventions, I just can't

Stop messing with my head lol. I'm not committed to anything. I'm aware of the consequences of taking a psychedelic, but I'm not taking a vow in the name of truth or whatever. I'm probably just too curious for my own good.

? I think I literally have the same shadow lol.

It implies being an individual. There is no romance without some friction.

Yeah, I will probably try plugging some 5-Meo as soon as feasible, which is probably the worst idea I have ever had in my entire life lol.

You are always playing games. Might as well spice your relationship up by being a bit playful and ambivalent at times.

I don't really care about having mind-blowing experiences. I care about understanding myself so I can live a great life. If that means taking psychedelics from time to time I'd be willing to do that.

Fine. So youre saying there is no way around doing massive amounts of psychedelics?

Fair enough.

It's not that crazy tbh and I'm probably exaggerating a bit, but having these experiences is not my concern, the question is just how deep do they have to be and is there something I'm missing by not going balls deep with psychedelics. Of course you can not replicate a peak psychedelic experience just through some contemplation or sitting, but the general insights and understanding are the same in my estimation.

I am open to that possibility, in fact I know it's the case, but living my life naturally takes me to states of consciousness I'm not yet aware of. I just don't see why psychedelic insights are privileged over "sober" ones.

It radically transforms me though. I have some variation of mystical/awakening experiences almost every day. It's just that psychedelics freak me the fuck out and throw me out of balance, which is just simply not commensurable with my lifestyle and current goals. Not to be arrogant, but I bet I had more intense awakening experiences spontaneously than most people have on psychedelics, so it's not like I'm just getting super weak-sauce insights.

There has been tons of anecdotal evidence like this since the dawn of time, but unless someone actually does the science on this, no one will give a fuck.

That's not obvious to me. I can understand what heat is by holding my hands above a stove or I can jump into a fire, but I get the idea either way. I'm not even anti psychedelic, I've had my share of trips, I'm just genuinely curious as to whether this is really necessary or not.

Lol what does this have to do with neo advaita? I don't need psychedelics to become conscious of everything that your girlfriend becomes conscious of by shoving chemicals up her ass, I'm just not conscious of it to the same degree.

I don't get this. You have access to consciousness at all times. I can make sense of consciousness perfectly fine without having to take a psychedelic (they certainly help, but I really can't relate to your obsession with them). I agree that these experiences are profoundly beautiful and they are in a sense the territory, but in terms of making sense of reality, I don't see it tbh.

I'm pretty sure he's done psychedelics, probably Ayahuasca (he kind of implied it when he was asked about psychedelics as a tool for spiritual growth). I don't want to argue about this shit all the time, but I'm pretty sure he knows he's God (yeah, yeah, this is not the point, but I want to talk about Wilber right now ffs lol).

Read whatever you like. I'm just trying to stealman them against stupid criticism.

I'm talking about great literary works of course, not some random novellas they sell at the supermarket. Reading Dostoevsky, Orwell, Tolstoy and other greats is far from a waste of time. Some of the wisdom in fiction is far greater than what could ever be communicated logically. Same goes for movies btw.

It's called being horny.