Nilsi

I understand. Are you not open to the possibility that there might be no conflict?

Its not my ethical system! for fucks sake. All Im really telling you is that if you follow the categorical imperative, you will get one result; and if you belief yourself to be an exception to the rule, you will get a different result. None of this should be so surprising or hard to understand - unless you actively dont want to understand it. You can stay a slave and sedate yourself with your utopian fantasies for all eternity; you can moralize and virtue signal till youre blue in the face - none of this changes the reality that there are people out there going after it, taking themselves and their life serious and asserting their will on the world! - the world you live in.

There is no "my system." We are talking metaphysics here. You think Im making this shit up? Im simply telling you how power works - and all of this would be obvious to you, if you werent such a fucking sheep.

When will the coin drop? You say "everyone can proclaim themselves an exceptional man, be above the law and ethical guidelines and fearlessly impose their will on the world" - yeah, right, buddy. Unless you are extremely shrewd and self-righteous, you would quickly start to lose your sanity and come crawling back to your fellow sheep, pleading with them that you will do whatever they say is right and good, if only they accept you back into the security and warmth of the herd. Is that not whats really going on?

Or so you assume. Thats why I gave the example of the mob boss earlier. You can actually assert your will freely if you are determined enough. And look how far Tate got before giving up his will to power to some false idol - the muslim God. Also, isnt it funny that you people always associate psychopathic and criminal stuff with free self-expression?

"Lift up your hearts, my brothers, high, higher! And for my sake don't forget your legs as well! Raise up your legs, you fine dancers, and better yet, stand on your heads! This crown of the man who laughs, this crown wreathed with roses — I have placed this crown upon myself. I myself declare my laughter holy. Today I found no one else strong enough for that. Zarathustra the dancer, Zarathustra the light hearted, who beckons with his wings, a man ready to fly, hailing all birds, prepared and ready, a careless and blessed man. — Zarathustra the truth-teller, Zarathustra the true laugher, not an impatient man, not a man of absolutes, someone who loves jumps and leaps to the side — I myself crown myself! This crown of the laughing man, this crown of rose wreaths: you my brothers, I throw this crown to you! Laughter I declare sacred: you higher men, for my sake learn — to laugh!”

What do you mean "under my system?" No one's stopping anyone from proclaiming themselves exceptional.

Good one.

Banger. Not really in my wheelhouse, but it goes hard as fuck. As far as metal goes my favorite work (apart from TOOL) is probably Deftones White Pony - it's so fucking dark and desperate and has this eery beauty to it. This is a perfect song in my book.

I have the guts and will to power to proclaim myself an exceptional man - thats the only qualification you need.

What you miss is that > 99% of people are not even interested in that much responsibility and freedom - they just want an easy comfortable life in the herd; that we can supply.

Thats why you peasants can keep following your categorical imperative.

I already told you what my ethics are. I believe exceptional men should assert their will on the world. There are really only two choices you have: Either you believe in exceptional men, or you believe everyone should follow the golden rule. In other words, either you believe in the Übermensch or you believe in some egalitarian utopia - or you are just not thinking about this very much.

Before you say, "oh that's terrible, you should not detach yourself from such acts as murder - you should have a bad conscience" -- oh yeah? Out society has the same control mechanisms that are in place in the mob. We pay money to have a subset of people take care of all the ugly problematic people that make us feel bad about ourselves. We put those people in prisons and mental institutions, where we don't have to look at them any longer. Is this entire system not designed so as to salve our conscience and have us be as distanced from this as possible? Out of sight out of mind. We do this for good reason, of course - and so does the Don.

There is no conflict if I don't believe in the ethics. If I secretly thought everyone should act according to the CI and then break it, there would be conflict. But if I don't believe in it in the first place, why would there be conflict? You can push this philosophy to it's limits and at some point everyone will break. I'm sure Tate would have a bad conscience if he choked one of his girls to death or murdered one with an axe or whatever. It's arguable whether such acts would ever be necessary in the first place to assert your creative vision though, so I'm not sure this is a sensible question. The Don doesn't shoot his adversaries himself of course; he might not even have to tell his minions to do so, or ever even find out about it - so there is no bad conscience for him.

I was once asking it about book recommendations -- anyways, one grabbed my interest. After unsuccessfully searching every corner of the internet for this book I asked it again "When was this book published?" --- turns out the book doesn't even exist.

That's fair. In many instances I've realized that it gave me a wrong answer and when I confronted it just went "whoops, yeah that was wrong, my bad." I wonder how many times this has happened already without me noticing

Develop a skill (aka mastery). You want to be a writer, no? Practice deliberately every day Get a copywriting gig (just cold email as many people as it takes for you to get hired) Build a personal brand on Twitter Become the authority in some niche (maybe it's spiritual practice for you) Position yourself well; who are you talking to? (e.g. successful entrepreneurs -- they have the money) Create an offer (e.g. "I will get you a beautiful girl in 3 months - one that loves you, is loyal, gives great blowjob's and cooks dinner for you - by teaching you how to reach a state of no mind through meditation; - you will be able to approach and pick up girls effortlessly and you will have the necessary clarity of mind to make out the good girls from the bad") Do consulting calls (you can charge 1000s of $s) Something like that would be a rather straight forward path to financial independence. The key is that you consistently perform the procedures that are necessary to get there.

I feel that way about Ken Wilber nowadays. He's more of a magician than a philosopher to me. He bombards you with 1000s of references, strings them all together in a somewhat sensible way and all of a sudden he presents you with a theory that explains the entire universe. Not that I disagree with anything he says, it's just hard to follow what's going on. With someone like Nietzsche you can at least understand why he came to the conclusions he did, but Wilber's mind is a giant black box to me.

Who's saying you should neglect aspects of yourself? I'm not a Nietzsche puritan; this was before psychoanalysis and developmental psychology - of course you should be as integrated as possible. I don't see how some universal ethics are necessary for my wholeness though. In any case, there will be tradeoffs and individual differences, depending on what role you want to play, your personality, genetics etc. - nothing new.

That's fantastic, but then again, the body is not everything - and you can't afford all the bio hacking you would need to maxx your physique out anyways. You're essentially arguing that no one should have it all and I'm saying I'd rather some people have it all.

Universal ethics makes satisfying aesthetic needs difficult.

Nietzsches conception of power is more akin to Freuds Libido or Platos Eros - kinda. Its fundamentally about asserting your vision of the world and doing so increasingly effective - he would have no problem with you asserting your version of "autonomy, competence and belonging;" he would however have a problem with you hesitating to do so, because of ethical quandries. Its important to get that he wrote his philosophy for kings and emperors, not for peasants; and did so mainly as a reaction to moral universalism. He was not interested in creating a philosopy that could work for everyone; thats the whole idea behind the Übermensch - the exceptional man whose ends justify all means. The peasants have to follow the categorical imperative, of course, or all hell breaks loose.

If he's just faking it, yeah. Maybe you're right. But it would be a better story if he couldn't handle the pressure anymore, gave up his divine claim to power and then got sacked by the "matrix" for it.

What value does a work of art provide? Or a novel? Or philosophy? Or a movie? It inspires you, makes you dream and makes you feel emotions you didnt feel before. This is why exceptional people are an end in themselves; precisely because they are so unusual and rarefied.