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To me he is a perfect specimen of self-actualization. period. It just so happens that many of his core values and beliefes are rather disagreeable and self-centered.

Once you are as entangled with the public consciousness as he is, you can not simply change who you are. There is way too much reinforcement on his biases at this point. He can still keep self-actualizing forever, but his core character and values will not suddenly change.

If I was Leo, I would create a premium tier Patreon subscription with access to a private Telegram group for 50 bucks a month, or something along those lines. I've been in such groups and the experience was always impeccable. No one minded paying the money and everybody who is really serious and cares about the subject matter will somehow manage to spare the money.

I think this is due to the fact that if you marinate a chicken in garlic, it's gonna taste like garlic. His father was a sociopathic chess grandmaster working for the C.I.A. He grew up in one of the worst neighborhoods in england He spent years in the world of professional fighting He went on to become a pimp He got involved with the mob and investet in real estate and gambling What values do you expect this man to have? He is still extremely successful and highly self-actualized, but in a very "dark" way.

Nietzsche would admire a great deal in him - courage, ambition, hard work, assertiveness, mastery -, but he would ultimately reject him for failing to go beyond the narrow definition of success, which he inherited from his culture and to which he became a mouthpiece.

That was my original point. Its not that he got lucky. He is just the perfect storm of fantastic genetics, hard work, high expression of dark triad traits, power literacy and growing up in a culture obsessed with material success.

He is a kickbox world champion - one of the most ruthless competitive endeavours in the world. I know people that have made 10mil in network marketing with roughly 100 people „working for them“ - imagine the money you will make by being the most googled man in the world. His car collection alone is probably worth 20mil. Most people here (Leo included) totally lack a sense of proportion and aesthetics . Tate is dismissed as „just another misogynist mans coach“ when he is clearly an absolute speciman - way beyond anyone else that came before him.

Imagine a giant billboard on Times Square with Leo's face and some text like "Wake up, you're dreaming!" next to a QR code that leads to the website of his own 5-MeO-DMT brand. That's what I'm seeing in my minds eye and it's glorious.

What I was originally referring to charitably was his stuff about awakening. Every human being would benefit tremendously from authentically spiritual boundary dissolving experiences - and democratizing this direct experience should be one of humanities highest priorities. As much as I despise stage turquoise pipe dreams, that is one I can get behind. I still see that as the essence of Leo's philosophy.

We‘ll leave out that part…

Leo could be 10x as big as Eckhart Tolle, if he really tried. This is obviously not a motivation of his. If you gave me free reign over Leos content and brand, I would turn it into a billion dollar brand within a decade. Water all the psychologically challenging stuff down and keep all the stuff that is agreeable and you have the perfect progressive philosophy for the 21st century -- LGBTQ, climate activists, the UN… you could get all of them behind this.

Ken Wilber started to publish books about Integral theory in a very down to earth way that every child can grasp and find meaningful. Something like this could totally be done with Leo's teachings (give me enough money and I'll make it happen myself). Now imagine a children's book about social darwinism and the psychology of power - not something I would want my kids to read.

Meh. Two completely different realms of accomplishment. To quickly settle this debate: I would gladly broadcast Leo's message all over the world, while I would shield 99% of people on this planet from Andrew Tate's influence. Virtually noone can actualize such levels of excellence anyways, so everything that's great about Tate is pearls before swine, while all his most pety qualities get propagated by the millions. I still love Tate though, don't get me wrong.

Fantastic. That's the definition of growth. It's not all karma though - attainments (be they material or spiritual) can be sustainably satisfying. Silly example, but I recently bought a very nice perfume and everytime I put it on, I genuinely appreciate the beauty of it.

That's a bit... vague. There's entire philosophy departments in universities with dozens of professors and hundreds of classes. What "genre" of philosophy do you enjoy most?

Very true.

A genius is someone creating something entirely NOVEL. That requires extraordinary education and dedication - hardly something you could ask for from a "mentally ill" person. This is why historically most geniuses came from the aristocracy - the rabble simply didn't have the education and sensibility required to produce something worthwhile. That is changing somehwat with the democratization of information and education the internet has brought us. Of course the pursuit of genius is an immense struggle, which is why people talk about "losing their minds" for their craft, but that's not what you would conventionally call "mental illness."

That much should be obvious. The even deeper problem is the implicit teleology in such models. Such an all encompassing and universalized ideal like "Stage TURQOISE" is the most dangerous of ideas. This is Marx's utopia all over again - literally! In some parallel universe, Ken Wilber went on to enact a Spiral Dynamics Stalinism, while people like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are suffocating away in the gulag.

Good one.

You mean actual architecture, or just hardware and shit?

Pro tip: become more successful than anyone else

Pre-ordered a ticket for the new Christopher Nolan movie "Oppenheimer." Haven't been this excited for a movie release in years!

Journaling.