Optimized Life

Would u rather be the one doing all the talking, or the one doing all the things people talk about? Fuck this thread lol.

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1000% Bro I'm glad you pointed this out. Both the working (constantly working not a poor gypsy or hippie) and middle classes have it the WORST. I respect and resonate highly with Tate's philosophy here and I always realized this path as well. I can't do the working/middle stuff for long : Either I slave away a little in an intentional targeted way working realy hard in business to make it BIG and escape the system and become free. OR : I can save up some money, be ridiculously frugal and resourceful and completely give up all material needs and just move to Thailand and Bali, network socially and use that as a safety net which can even negate much survival costs as friends will help you out, do whatever is the bare minimum necessary to earn money occasionally and then enjoy my life 80-90% of the year around in these places and be on a beach, fuck, play sports, party, meet girls fuck around with my friends enjoy music and nature, workout do martial arts play chess whatever. I don't understand people who say "material needs are met just follow your passion bro" ... But what if my no.1 priority in life is freedom? What if I'm passionate about freedom? Having a bed and some food that my parents slaved away to pay for and not being independent (kinda lame) doesn't solve anything, I can't travel often I can't go wherever I want randomly get a long flight to America Brazil Columbia or Australia randomly, What if my highest value is adventure? Requires money dumb ass... I'm much more passionate about that then your passion for music or some specific art form, you think far too narrow of the concept of passion, I just like enjoying life, I like to meet people and women & adventures and culture and seeing the world, once there's a lot of money, you can fucking do that endlessly it's pretty simple, and even being a broke hippie you can create your own micro adventures in Thailand and that still beats the working/middle normie life but the main thing is the freedom adventure and awesome social life you can have when you have money, freedom and power, there's nothing more important to me and that isn't my "stage of consciousness" you idiot that's my personality type, I like adventure and women and culture and travel. You can gain that by either being rich or a hippie, but you can't by being endlessly a working/middle man or sitting in your parents basement all day doing some craft like that kid basically suggested. People that are content to stay in the middle long term, frankly they disgust me : Either make it big young or just be a fucking hippie. The real dark side of capitalism is being that chode stuck in the middle commuting to work in your 30's to suck some employers dick for you mortgage and car in some expensive western country and then going hom and sitting on the couch whining about capitalists like Andrew Tate lol, but you're the real capitalist, you're the real sucker who plays into this system. This paragraph isn't some political opinion and this how I see my own life and live my own life so I won't read anyone's responses and I don't care less about thinking about that life's short I'm singing out for a long time and I'll never read your response to my paragraph because it's 100% facts and I know my own intuitive truths and what I enjoy in life. Tate may say a lot of dumb things but like KH2 Pointed out this statement of his was 1 of the most perceptive big picture intelligent & relevant things he or any human has ever said and it clicked with me a lot.

Ironically I'm the king of non-ideolization. I always critize people. I have so many ways to critizice Tate, but you can't see the good or the value. You have no nuance. You gotta understand some people love to make money & women, some men are built for ambition and enjoy being competitive. Maybe that's a genuine passion in itself. You don't have to be that way, but it's not an inferior way of being or source of satisfaction, different things make people click. If something like juggling balls is an acceptable passion then why isnt money or women or competing for status, let people whomever they want. I'm signing off.

No you're a dumbass and have terrible attention to detail haha. He spent MOST of his life fighting which he loves & still does, the online pimp stuff he did for a bit to escape poverty. He's not a sex trafficker you didn't do proper research you just regurgutated unsubstantiated hearsay and are comitting slander. Btw I'm not a Tate wannabee nor do I think he's an ideal role modal, but don't throw around false claims without proof like it's a joek. And You're putting words in my mouth, when did specifically say that sentence " being a pimp and sex trafficker sounds like a really meaningful life", I didn't say that at all and lets not pretend that's the totality of his life. What fucking world do you live in, are you a hollywid kiddo or something who's always got to travel and had a nice car (or any car) since you were like 15? Ambition has a high genetic component. Even if you have food in your belly & a bed until your 18 you still gotta work a crappy job and will have a shit life? Middle class background is a pretty low level to settle for, you're still a slave and many "middle class" people liek I said are working crappy jobs and can't afford the life they want, so I don't get your point at all. I don't see why anyone middle class person shouldn't have a fire inside of them. There's a lot more to life than literally staying alive with oxygen and calories.

Pretty low IQ response. Btw Tate did peruse his passion most of his life, (chess and then) fighting ... Nowadays he's just enjoying himself. What? There's more to material needs then just having some food in your belly & a place to sleep lool. And No lol. the majority of us do not grow up like Tate's children (or Jaden Smith) or something, so I have no idea what you're on about?

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He could be happier although that might be more due to the fact he got kicked in the head for like 10 years? Ultimately, 99% of men have to work and slave away, get no sex or they settle for someone they're not satisfied with, and live a mundane routine life of slavery, whether that's living off social benefits & being a slave to your own laziness doing nothing all day, or working & commuting all day to barely get anything back living a boring & stressful life. That 99% of us, then there's Tate, with status tons of money, women flies around all month with his brothers, friends. He's playing around these days. I'm not idealizing Tate here, but just stating the facts of how his life is relative to most others. He's probably not as happy as Leonardo Dicaprio, who gets to enjoy everything Tate has + genuine talent & purpose, creativity, mastery and whereas Tate's like Marmite everyones been kissing caprios ass for 50 years, but he makes great films so it's fair enough. There's always levels to this game of life but Tate is still doing better than most, he seems happier than someone like Hasabanbi btw (Maybe cos hasanabi is on the internet rambling for like 14 hours a day?) Is Tate a good guy? Not necessarily, but he's probably still happier than most The troubling aspect of happiness & satisfaction is that someone like Ted Bundy would be pretty happy after enjoying his victims due to his wiring. It isn't relative to morality or contribution ... unless your brain is wired to desire that?

I see what you are saying. Well my answer is I don't know ... I haven't researched enough into it and currently don't have the time to spare. But sometime I will contemplate what you are saying. I will leave with I simply don't know. I refuse to jump to the conclusion that they either produce a ton of value or they don't, I don't know & I will not make an opinion until I have earned my right to even guess. The best point Leo made for sure is that main problem with the left is it was indoctrinated into them as an ideology and it is not based off deep reflection and research but truly social matrix tribalism & emotions, I know this by observing my family members who are ideologically left with all the bad flavors to it. They are also poor, don't have that many skills and sit around all day discussing their repetitive opinions and bullshit. Of course this applies to any political position, politics is generally not my highest interest, but Leo makes it slightly interesting sometimes, if it weren't for Leo I'd never ever listen to politics, too boring usually ... then again that's becuase most political people talk a load of nonsense about irrelevant boring shit and they're ideological normies I'm sure politics doesn't have to be boring hence why I even listened to leos take on it, he found a way to make it engaging.

I haven't researched enough into him, but I call b.s To suggest that someone like Jeff Bezos who devoted his life to the company doesn't provide value sounds completely ludicrous. I bet you still enjoy your amazon prime?

Getting raped is less severe of a crime than the crime of falsely (Intentionally) accusing someone of rape Getting raped is a horrible traumatizing experience, but nothing is worse than spending life in jail for something you didn't commit, that is the highest tragedy. They are both extremely bad & I'm not saying that the latter is worse to trivialize rape, I'm saying that the false penalty is so bad that's even worse than rape, yet in the media & people's minds we don't tend to even think about this. We think so simplistically & archetypally of "the evil rapist pedo murderer when will we have a society without these people!!" Yet we don't also get horrified in shivers at the narcistic woman who falsely accuses a guy of this & that & he goes to jail for it, she should be classed in the same category as the murderer and rapist, and because she's subtle & more likely to get away with it, she's more dangerous, she's like the female savvy version of the serial killer, she steals mens lives away through lies & deceptions instead of direct violence, but it's all ultimately the same thing. ... There's men like this too and they're equally evil however it is distinctly more dangerous for the female versions of this because she can leverage her beauty & illusory image of fragility to disarm & manipulate & to play up the victim narrative; the narcissistic woman is so dangerous she is arguably more frightening than a serial killer (Ok bit too dramatic there, but still pretty bad). There needs to be more of a focus & commitment to the innocent until proven guilty too many men are abused by the system for this bias, especially black young men who lack social power & resources & more easily stereotyped by judges. Most men aren't rapists but a lot more people are sociopathic narcissists, who love to defame others for their own gain or petty satisfaction, there should be severe crime punishment for women & people who falsely accuse of rape, the punishment should be as strong as the rape penalty. I be t you this thread will be deleted or locked ... but silly af it does because I'm making some genuinely insightful points here, free speech & authenticity is important.

Hm, I am very tired so my paragraph is just an opinion. I don't kknow the answer, I don't htink any1 knows what the ratio or percantage is, same with Leo or any of us, no one truly knows the exact ratio or how much is genetics, I'm unsure whether its will be possible to map this stuff with science. I'm not sure that upbringing has a huge impact on amibition, but it certainly does on effectiveness, education, factors that contribute to success. Ambition seems very genetic to me but success is more complicated.

Yes I agree with that. obviously other factors like self confidence come into play which I would say aren't as genetic however if the highly ambitious person has low self confidence, he'll either commit suicide or eventually become confident & once he does he will start killing it, that is my intuition because as an ambitious yet not always that effective person I know how fucking frustrating it is when you fail & you don't live up to your standards, when I don't work hard it feels like I'm constantly being strangled & burned on a hot stove, for a normal person it is a relief that they get to relax. When I went on "holiday" last time I did, the "friends" (Mediocre idiots) I was with just wanted to "relax", literally fucking drink alcohol on a beach & do absolutely nothing. Whereas I was constantly thinking about levelling up in a holiday way as a form of "relaxtion" for myself : I wanted to approach girls & work on my game constantly, not drink because it numbs me, I want to make connections to build networks, take photos to practice photography, build a mental map of the city in my brain & practice all the different routes for going round the city, I wanted to workout still & set a challenge with myself to approach the hottest models there walking near the beach. I wanted to practice foreign languages & learn culture & customs with the natives, I was even thinking abot strategically networking there to find people who could let me stay in the future = free or discounted travel. I'm not saying all this as if It's profound or genus it's pretty basic, my point is that's an example of a genetic pallet for amibition whereas I just couldn't, couldn't understand why these guys were happy to sit around & drink & do nothing all day, it didn't make sense to me even for like 5 minutes, with a hot girl I get it & u get nice sex but I mean on their own lol, & they were so happy to waste money on multiple resterautns & shit it didn't make sense to me, I realized that holiday that I'm a different person & I just can't interact with low T low ambition men, it's a horrible experience. I'm not the most effective nor am I that intelligent (although not sure how I even define intelligent) but I am certainly creative and ambitious, and I can only really attribute it to genetics. However I didn't always have access to / abilitiy to leverage either of those, BUT I dont say that means that I suddenly became that way from environment, no. It's I had both as latent potentials, but due to environment, low self esteem, diet, ect... my ambition was not I couldn't act on it, but that doesn't mean I never had it, I did have it, but I didn't understand myself enough & furthermore I was very miserable whereas obether kids would be happy & I didn't now why, part of it was due to not realizing that I just needed to fulfill my ambition. So in a sense environment blunts out the amibition, but it's still truly there under the surface. So yes environment has an affect & can block/dilute the amibition buty go it never truly goes away. So ambition + bad environemnt = recipe for distaster because truly amibitious guys never just stop being that way, they will turn to toxic or illegal methods to fulfill their amibitious yearnings, or they be stuck in mediocrity but will kill themselves because the incogruency & the pain is so strong & unbearable.

Depends on how your brain works. I Immediately found going meta & the social matrix beneficial & it had nothing to do with the fact of whether I'd watched prior episodes or not it was more based on practical life experience & the way my mind works. You have no authority in saying whether a struggling broke kid should watch going meta or not, it depends on the individual. It might change his life somewhat because of some sort of serendipitous connection to his unique problems or life experiences. I sense your paragraph is a parroted psuedo intellectual copycat of 100s of people will say and the idea of "advanced" is completely subjective and truly has no meaning, You could call spiral dynamics advanced but I'd say it's irrelevant & oversimplified & most people would be better off not knowing about it, I don't find it interesting nor I do I care not because of my "stage of development" (as if there's some sort of literal fucking algorithm for what that means when it's technically all just conceptual ideas theories in your mind) ... but because I genuinely don't care it's boring it's not that profound & it's a limited modal, And I'm allowed to have my own interests & not all of this can be reduced to my "stage" when actually my mind would never be inclined towards that shit & I think there are way better things to think about even just from an intellectual stand point not just pragmatic, a lot of dogmatic parrots on here but this is partly why I respected the social matrix & meta more, I found it a more genuine instance of creativity & independent thought whereas spiral dynamics has done something very annoying & toxic to the blind affiliate leo creating a lot of parrot speech & nonsense. But I found meta & social matrix interesting and practical, because it just fucking is for me. There's no point trying to come up with a formula for this shit, just watch a couple videos that you are interested in regardless of the date. And this idea that we should be watching 200 of leos videos is just ludricous & medicore, there's many other better youtubers out there & so no one really should be watching that many of his videos, it would lead to "lack of requisite variety" and so should realize listening to Leo is an oppurtunity cost if you listen to him too much, listen to others as well & be open to hearing multiple people not just 1 or 2. And remember that actually fucking doing shit is also important not just consumption and so on that note I'm singing off.

I'm not welcome on this forum & I never tried to be. I was never welcome anywhere, that's why I decide to become a leader. I'll start my own forum, businesses ect... eventually build my own city, leaders are always welcome when they provide enough value. I resonate more with more masculine & competitive smaller communities, I think a lot of guys are cutting themselves short by ONLY being on here, it has some value, but when I only used this place it was a giant oppurtunity cost to more practical, creative productive niche communities out there. I am open minded therefore I will use a range of platform space based on where my intuition guides me, but only staying in 1 forum just creates this silode bubble just like people who only listen to 1 youtuber & stay in 1 city too long. But no self help youtuber will admit that to you including Leo, because they are competing $$$$$, but that's the truth everyone needs.

But as a counter point YES : Fuck the internet unless it's for work / productivity / learning skills. And always try to be social and out at least for hours. Exercise is not cringe. Sugar isn't that cool, huge shame on myself for spending money & eating sugar today, huge fucking shame, could've done exercize instead, fuckking idiot.

He has got a point though ... There is a specific category of men (Who I've noticed in direct experience multiple times forming accurate neural node) who are not only willing to believe women no matter what, but will act, without any justification to defend them in order to play up the hero identity and maybe get some pussy out of it. There are also men with boyfriends who will unnecessarily act defensive over their girlfriend as an excuse to bully other men, maybe the other guy literally just said "hi" and asked for her number, but maybe the girl is addicted to playing victim and loves the attention she is on the darkside of feminist ideology or she is just a narcisist and in this context the boyfriend will co-opt the modern bias to instantly believe women & shame men against women, I think that posting any shameful post about how the "guy did this" without legal proof and evidence should be a crime, as once the fake post is out the damage is done & it's too late, humans have bias called belief preservation bias which explains the irreparable damage of rumours despite nullifying evidence.

Very sorry to hear that & I hope you meet only kind men going forward. I'd be interested to understand the context of how it happened for my mental model & pattern awareness (alleyway, house party spiked drink ect..) But pardon my insensitivity as you may not want to share that. DM If you want to share your story. You guys have brought up an important point : Getting raped & no one believing you & being called a liar is also tragic af as well, and I empathize with any woman who had to deal with that. The point of this thread was not really about what's worse but just to highlight the issue of false accusations and how It's something that people should be aware of in this society. Yes you are right, it's not just with rape but happens with false murder accusations too. You are spot on bro, many aspects of men's rights issues are not given adequate consideration, I thinkk this is why mens self help & lifestyle channels are booming. Although I won't pretend, self help & mens lifestyle will always be niche, it will help random lucky people who become aware of it like me, but it will never catch the bulk of men who are destined to live a miserable pointless & lonely life of shame & starved of all forms of joy. But yh I admit my qualitative comparison was subjective and partly done just for emphasis, all these scenarios are all bad but I still stand that public consciousness should expand their archetypal imaginations for common tragedies of injustice (instead of just see man as merely aggressive perpetrators or "patriarchs". I will still stand that generally speaking feminism has become distorted into a toxic ideology in the 1st world & needs to be scrutinized. ... I have read the long Ted Bundy Wikipedia article which was terrifying. So on the one hand I understand contextually that there needed to be a "push" to listen to women because genuine abuse & rape was constantly ignored, makes sense. However I don't likke this wording for individual contexts ; within the case (not just the judge but jury father family friends whoever) all these people should NOT be biased towards a push to believe the women, they should see the case & the evidence objectively at hand without any preconceptions & then decide, there shouldn't be a push or bias to either believe or not believe. Unfortunately I have masturbated today to porn & binged on ice cream and sugar, I also made too many micro decis, ions depleting my Neurotransmitters & multi tasked too much, in total turning myself into a useless, brainless stupid piece of jelly and I'm unable to process information nor even read all the comments or use my brain right now. I will answer more comments in several days when the non toxic diet & no fap intellect is back, there has been more nuanced responses than expected here.

Vaccine is obviously NOT that safe ... either way no young person should have to take it. How can you expect a human to trust that shit? Why, based on all of human history & everything else, would any sane human not at least be sceptical. There's many naturally ways to be healthy & do healing, covid was bad for the already sick & the old. It's so stupid, the destruction we have caused society by reaction to covid = 1000 times worse than covid. Just let some old people die as a sacrifice to protect the young & the healthy because 1 healthy young guy bad reaction to the random vaccines is worse than 1000 old sick people who are already going to die & have had their chance at life.

My knee - jerk observation is that you are linguistically twisting & muddying your sensemaking by trying to workout the "1 approach" as you bash the metaphoricallly hammer to find the right answer. I'm personally open to all these aspects & demonize none ; Of course I want to recall & repete stuff, it's a good first step, but there's deeper levels, but that doesn't mean it isn't important, so yes I'd say repetition is an important aspect of learning but there's more to it. But of all of these aspects would play apart in creating meaning & understanding in your mind: The brain is not 1 neuron, it's a network, web of neurons, connecting different sensory inputs, using multiple different parts of the brain towards a single idea or function. Likewise meaning is drawn and built from a network : The shallower parts like repetition & recall maybe the start of the chain or network; visual image may strengthen the network & expand the web, direct observation or an interalted serendiptious conversation may further strengthen the network, experiencing the meaning first hand once you already have the shallower foundation & some interconnections may take it even further. ... maybe meaning has it's own hierarchy of understanding, like how a child sees things very black & white as they lackk foundation nuance distinctions depth breadth experience. Sounds a bit forced to call it an "act to patiently strive to understand" because often times when you don't understand something & force understanding right away it doesn't happen, the understanding comes when you take time off & allow serendiptious experiences or interconnections to bridge that gap ... or just sometimes your subconscious brain does the work for you when you're not trying to understand on a break,

Coffee is really bad, I can't stop drinking it though because I'm dependent. I would need to become quite successful and be in a good position to quit coffee, because I know when I quit the weeks after will be obscenely unproductive & I just can't afford that right now, but after the withdrawal period my life would be a lot better, fuck coffee. I tried L theanine & out of all the supplements I tried, it gave me the worst reaction ever, a lot of anger, anxiety & other strange psycho reactions. After L theanine I just gave up on supplements because I've tried many & even if they have some benefit, the unexpected side effects always end up ruining me for days, same thing with weed, even alcohol to an extent and lingering mental side effects also with gluten, grains, noodles ect.. but no way near to the same extent as weed, nootropics or supplements. I'm recently getting "intuitive eating" sense like you guys alluded to with peanut butter, and just feel I should stop eating it even though it's very healthy on paper & I eat 100% fresh peanut butter but something just feels wrong with it, but I never get this with other nuts, I always feel good eating brazil nuts, peacon nuts, also grapes I feel awesome. However I have no opinion on the matter & can't answer whether intuitive or empirical scientic approach is best, of course ideally we need a holistic mix of the 2, but also learning an intutivie understnading for the individuallist & idisyncratic nature of health is really cool, I wish as a 5 year old I just though "Ohh some people diewhen they eat peanuts", this has big picture significance for how I should restructure my entire outlook on human health, ect.. extrapolate that out to people need & respond to different stuff, which is fucking annoying & tricky to deal with tbh.

In some ways I agree with you & honestly if I had more money I would join the tate network because it's sure as hell got some smart people on there, the benefit wouldn't come from tate so much as the general network of motivated very smart guys within a syndicate of wealth & power that you can engage to acquire not just money but other perks like more freedom & brotherhood community. However he bootstrapped himself by "standing on the shoulders of simps" & basically scammed lonely men It's kinda hard to forget this the guy is a bit brutal, but survival is survival I guess. Also means I'd never fully trust him either if he has a scammy history, but If I had enough that I was willing to lose the money e.g 4 or 8K for the syndicate then I would pay it because the reward could be very high, if I had like 200k spare pocket money in my bank I'd risk it.

It's weird to critiize anyone's choice of game, this is a personal choice & taste. I don't like judging people in general any more tbh I don't care how other people chose to approach their dating life, I couldn't care less if people judge mine. My dating life is that I want complete abundance & I want multiple deep partners including some variety on the side. All these deep partners will be deeply & exclusively commited to me, with exception to threesomes with other women. I want at least 2 deep super hot girlfriends going simultaneously & I will settle for nothing less. I commit to building my game & charisma every day until I get there, no matter how long it takes. You can hate my choice but I couldn't care less, I couldn't care less about comitting to 1 woman, but I do care about deep intimicy whilst maintianing the benefits of variety. From my pov traditional dating is too limited & boring but who am I to judg others.

This comment wasn't fair & actually he does have some good videos so I'ld like to take back my judgements of the guy. Actually I like him overall no one is perfect I am no better. Belated comment but I am clearing up my karma. I judge no one no more.

Brilliant comment, so much nuance bro.