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Once every 2 weeks seems wayy to big a gap. I would think 1/2 times per week minimum or she forgets you exist and another guy is boning her.

This guy's grift is nothing but raw extroversion, marketing and charisma, which he is undeniably a master at and I genuinely admire his intelligence in that regard. But he has said so much dumb and toxic shit and is so dogmatic and opinionated it's ridiculous. Making it in youtube is not about the quality of your information or content, but how convincing, entertaining charismatic you are, and how brutal you are at marketing and hijacking peoples attention. Hamza mastered all this, so I can't exactly say he doesn't deserve his success, but his impact is pretty toxic just like the majority of youtubers out there who just waste your time which repetitive clickbait and unfounded dogmatic nonsense. 1. Dating and socialization will absolutely grow you as a man arguably more than anything else will, it can be risky, it can break you make you worse or lead to suicide, but like many things nothing easy or safe will give you the biggest gains. 2. The majority of guys including myself, find it much, much harder to concentrate on work and motivate ourselves if we haven't had sex in weeks or months, and have no sex or human connection to look forward to in the evening, and feel lonely and unsatisfied. Likewise this also applies to having ecno friends and being a loner, and most people are at least ambiverts or in the middle so lack of friendship should be treated like a serious disease. But of course lack of women and friends are connected, not direct causation however strongly correlated because if you are seeing women most likely you are meeting more people and in turn should have more friends too, and nothing is more powerful than support, encouragement, connection, brotherhood, and then add on top of that great women in your life, social confidence, feeling masculine, not being needy, it's all a killer combination and absolutely will trickle down into other areas of life like business or public speaking, maybe you don't care, but I know myself and there's nothing more powerful drug than this. This unrealistic idea of "just focus on yourself for years and then become a millionaire and girls will come to you, simply doesn't work for MOST guys like myself, I CAN get myself to work despite the pain, but it is a lot harder and less likely, I have to force myself and really push myself, whereas if you know a nice girl is coming over you feel more motivated to make money, you are free of the heavy and dense emotions and probably won't be endlessly scrolling through porn, Instagram or tinder or even distraction yourself with lower pleasures like food or alcohol to compensate. 3. EVEN IF you could just work on the business for years and go without women and it worked, you still fucking just missed years of your life enjoying the some of the greatest joys of life that there is, why not try to enjoy your life throughout your life rather than "once I'm successful", which could take longer than you hoped and then you would seriously regret. I am still quite young but I have some serious about giving up on dating in for months or years in my 20's, I got bitter and didn't have the pickup mindset and got really red pill "I gave up focusing on women because ... I'll focus on women when I have the money", this turned out to be toxic for me and ironically not scratching that itch sooner may have held me back from winning at business, led to more self sabotage, addictions, bad spending habits and bad decisions. 4. The best thing I learnt from personal development is that success if fucking relative. I don't give a shit what Leo thinks or anyone else on here, the only metric for me winning and feeling proud is living how I want to live. And personally I want lots of experience with women, and relationships of all types, I want girlfriends and one night stands simultaneously and I want sex 2/3 times per day, and fun dates and deeper relationships too and everything in between. And I'll do all that while making good cash without becoming bill gates, steve jobs or Hamza, because I don't care and don't want their life.

I can't even arrange dates with girls who are interested because I'm so desperate, I can't talk to people because I'm so desperate. I can't think straight, make straight eye contact. Those who have less everything will be taken. I don't think I can climb out of this whole. Yes there's a weird looking ugly chick from bumble who would come over ... majkes no difference. I am desperate for a hot or cute woman, not just anything. I couldn't even meet a girl who's intersted becuase im so desperate, over thinking everything to ensure I don't mess up, and then if she doesn't respond to my text quickly enough I am depleted of dopamine. I am so sick of being in bed alone that it feels like a constant pain a burning mental sensation, yes I should go and look to pickup more girls but my vibe never works because I can't hide the neediness, you can't fake your vibe. Question 2 : Can you just invite a girl straight to your place, do you even need dates?

With exceptions to potatoes, eating vegetables just feels pointless because I don't get very full from them, they don't build muscle and I don't notice any energy enhancement from them. I'm not suggesting they actually are pointless or that they don't improve energy, but I just don't notice it, and they're also inconvenient & messy to cook, it's simpler to just eat meat or tinned beans or buy from the taco stand every day (who do actually serve vegetables) So yes I do actually eat vegetables accidentally however intentionally cooking & consistently eating vegetables as the main portion of your diet I can't resonate with it yet. I wonder how much worse my life is because I don't bother eating much vegetables? But maybe it just makes no difference.

And what you REALLY mean is ; I wish I didn't stop avoiding doing all this and running away from my greatness, because the avoidance leaves me in a perpetual uncomfortable state of anxiety, self hatred and dissatisfaction. And because embracing the path would ironically feel less heavy and painful than not doing the work. I feel extremely anxious if I'm not either : A - working hard (Business job hobbies) or B - Socializing/dating/practicing PUA If i'm not doing A or B and I'm just "durping" around it feels very very painful and heavy, it is fucking torture. I did it this evening and I am not satisfied, I am going to have to study and work & sleep a little later because if I don't I won't sleep anyway because not doing work poisons the body & mind with fear, worry and self doubt, that is unquestionable. Where as DOING THE WORK = FREEDOM, If you keep going long enough, you have to have enough persistence to wait it out long enough such that the work can become enjoyable, because pua starts off also akward and painful, and I am still in this phase after doing it for months/years on and off, but had I ploughed through it like a soldier, and literally done it every day for the past 3 - 6 months I'm sure I'd be out of that nasty stage already, the harder you work the faster you'll reach that road to freedom, so get ahead in the race before it's too late.

@ValiantSalvatore @Leo Gura Thank you for taking time out to respond, really appreciate this.

And half of us hate half of it. Just like half of us hate half of leo, but want to bone the rest of him.

Don't be ashamed of it. You only live once. The younger girl dynamic is hot, just like the milf thing can be hot too. Don't listen to others opinions or talk about it, whoever you like you like it's your fucking choice.

@StarStruck You do sales, I thought you was programmer or you do both? Interested because I want to learn programming (out of interest, maybe for career & business too) I want to gain sales skills too, persuasion

** Please keep this in dating section and don't move to health because ** : Normally i would try to deal with the emotions and save my money, however I have potential dates and girls to meet but my mood and body is full of tension and anger and this unfortunately kills my vibe with women, meditating is not working and I can't even think straight enough to text girls who are already interested or arrange dates. The only cheap solution I can think of is to drink some beer. Should I pay like $40 - $100 for a massage? Will this help me with my game this week?

Lool. Some guys actually don't care about women's looks that much it seems? ... Each to their own of course, Beauty is one of my highest values and joys in life, I guess I'm a very artistic and sensual person but it's not even possible for me to feel anything for any girl under 7.5/8 despite any connection. I decided long ago that I need a beautiful and feminine women to compliment my life, I will not settle for anything else, I don not want to surround myself with other types of women. Couldn't care less about a man's (Bros) looks, obviously, but male beauty to me is not looks but strength, generosity, positive energy, being a team player, comradary and masculinity, it is the masculine version of beauty If I don't eventually find at least one really hot girlfriend I will kill myself because it goes against my values deep desire too much. I give myself max 1 year to kill myself If I don't find this girl, she doesn't have to be "the 1", but I must find a beautiful and feminien women, and I will do all this whiles coinciding with hobbies, lots of busines and job work, studying, and being a "normal human" too, I will just work 10 times harder than every other guy on the planet, because it seems god has chose that path for me, I'm even a slightly decent looking guy, well I still struggle a lot in this area alongside everything else. You can call that dramatic or negative, but that level of commitment is the only way I can push myself, I'm going all in on this.

I am always feeling ambiguous about no fap. I feel clear benefits, but sense drawbacks. with too much fap I lack sexual interest to persue women & be flirtatious and sexual. But I have done all my dates on no fap, and like you said I struggled to concenctrate on the girl & show genuine interest & precense in what she was saying, and acted desperate. but confounding variables is obviously lack of experience, other factors (my coffee addiction, disrupted sleep routine, deep inner issues, general needyness due to lack of options ect...). I remember Leo claiming that he only recommends no fap when "doing beast mode at the club but not for dates as it'll make you too needy". Then again I heard reports of men who have done no fap for years and they succeed with women very well or even one guy on here claiming that hot girls approached him on no fap. It's a confusing world, or I'm just stupid?

Even though I see much validity to your perspective and agree with your stance against spammy day time cold approach. I think it's weird and pointless to focus on the non existent thoughts of the girls you had success with, even having this thought is pointless & shows too much obsession with what other people think. Yes don't be autistic spammy weirdo ... but also remember it mostly doesn't matter what others think and you just got to go for what you want because this life you get one shot.

If you're energies good then you'll get more positive reactions. But lets be real, a significant percentage of women will always find you creepy or just not be interested, this includes at night game and sometimes even more so with night game, so who cares you can't make every girl like you or respond well.

It's a difficult balance but yes you have to get in high volume without ever giving your cards away and making it obvious that you're spam approaching, or lets say strike the balance between high volume vs spam approaching and also having high standards and giving off a spontaeous vibe.

Yeah, I do see what you mean in this sense. I've met wings who do spammy day game, which means approaching even girls that aren't that attractive but they're "their type man!" or "she has nice ass or she's blonde" as if that's enough, and these guys are quite embarrassing to be around and I try not to associate with them unless it's a huge city. Spammy daygame only works in huge cities but I don't like it either way as I have high standards and can feel like you're playing Game GTA.

Huge limiting belief & negative framing right there. I've had several positive reactions from hot young girls during the day, including in front of her mum and family. Example I approached one really hot 19 year old girl in front of her mum, little sister, little brother. She and her mum were qualifying herself to me, telling me how mature she was and she inmediately texting me back, only reason I couldn't meet up with her was my own self doubts & hesitation to text her fast enough as she had to leave next day, but I may still meet her again if visit her city, and she still texts me back and flirts. This approach was in the afternoon. If you present the frame that you're out hunting all day then it's bad game, if you only approach hot girls and make it seem spontaneous then they (some of them) truly appreciate it ... I don't like how your biased perception frames it with pseudo statistics and percentages as if you're claiming some objective universal truth. Reread that statement and realize how stupid and arbitrary it is, and how you're obsessed with being a sheep and a slave to irrational cultural norms and dogma. "IF you interact with an attractive women before the sky is dark you are automatically a creep and a rapist!" Lol.

Really? I've had almost entriely brutal nights everytime I did night game and I don't think it "grew me" or helped me. It decreased my sleep and lost me brain cells and meant I had a shittier week and missed the day time (including many sweet day game approaches) It left me more insecure and hopeless and feeling more creepy. It made it harder for me to do work, socialize, meet new people or be proactive throughout the following week creating bad momentum for my life. I can't see why day game wouldn't grow you 10X more than night game, every idiot approaches a drunk woman at the club, but to do it in broad day light in front of her mum that takes nuts.

Not necessarily disagreeing with all the points made here, but night game being fun? Cmon. It's like fucking torture. It is extremely difficult psychologically and ruins your health, business, finances, rhythm. A lot of potential fights, arguments, rejections. How you meant to do night game and still wake up with sunrise? how you meant to meet quality girls during night game that aren't sluts, don't smoke or drink? , which How you meant to avoid drinking in night game? It's extremely difficult not to drink even if you're into self development, and extremely rare to find night gamers who don't drink. It is peer pressure & temptation times 1000 and in many cases you may even look weird or awkward if you don't drink. Night game will end up costing you a lot of money, to enter a club that has hot girls in you normally have to pay a fair amount, and to skip ques or get better treatment you often pay a premium or bottle service ... not always true and depens on where you live of course. But generally you always at least pay $10-$20 + entry and then another $10 - $40 + on drinks ... and yes i'm sure some of you "don't drink!" but lets be realistic night game is an extremely strong gateway to drinking and wasting money on drinks, at least 1 or 2 which is so easy to rationalizme to yourself. You also need a wing man (who actually is into game) for night game (technically you don't) but to not have an extremely awkward and traumatizing experience you do, which is very difficult to find especially one that won't drink and (at least unconsciously) peer pressure you to doing the same. Compare that to day game and you can do it at any time, just walk down the street or into a mall and get the number or insta date right there. Or even "street/night game" where you game girls outside the club (at anytime you want), or like around dinner time you game near the bars or whatever, it's just so much lower investment and downsides. I'm not saying you can't get laid from night game, but it will take everything else out of you and ruin your life unless you're quite rich and don't care about your sleep schedule, the problem is I've had a chaotic circ rhythm for years now and it surely has decreased my productivity and life progress by a huge percentage

I have come to realize that being a typical drinker at the club. Is truly a moral choice. I don't like my drunk self because I become so much more emotionally unstable and volatile. If you're having a good night then being drunk you're "just having a good time" yes ... until someones offends you a little (which normally you would just let it go or not care too much), but that "offence" when drunk instnatly flips your state and you overreact and now suddenly you are this drunk monster. Now you are pushy, clumsy, cruel, overreactive, bitter & perhaps even an unhinged angry 14 year old full of rage. I must drink less for moral reasons, not just because I highly value health. I'm not saying I will never drink, 1 little tasty cocktail with some food in a chill environment, maybe one day per week max with a friend or 2 is fine. But when emotions, sex, validation, big crowds, ego is involved, Hell no ... completely sober from now on.

Thank you for your response and good luck with your qualification, would be a really cool skill to have.

My end goal is not purely quantity of girls ... I want several girlfriends (3-5) who I have lasting intimate relationships with ... and the ability to quick replace them if it doesn't work out, something changes, to get to the point where I'm never lonely or starving for sex again in whatever city I live in ... and when I say girlfirends, I mean HOT girlfriends, not boring average or fat ugly ones. I want all of these girls to be high quality in both looks and other factors, which means they will be in demand, have a lot of options and I will need to be a very attractive man to both attract and keep them around, no entitlement here I understand how much work I still have to do. I barely even have basic social skills yet and will need to enhance my lifestyle, literally and digitally, have a nice place, get money, nice clothing alongside all the inner and social work. So as part of the process "quantity" may be my starting goal just in order to remove all my neediness, awkwardness, meekness ect... so I can attract those special women I dream of. If meditaiton accelerates the process,I'll do it. Couldn't care less about spirituality, I know I'm a good person anyway.

You have to be intuitive and think for yourself. Don't focus on index funds, that's some small dick minded shit. Only nerds talk about that slow return crap. Invest in AI and you can make a 200% return instead of fucking 4% You should be willing to take risks and use your intuition.

Great clarification , thank you.

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