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Depends on the country. In the UK for example Russian ships can no longer dock, so no oil is being imported over the ocean. Every country is different. Let's take Germany, which is the biggest market for Russian Gas in Europe I believe. Initially they have only limited certain banks, and are beginning to source gas from elsewhere. Canada voted to start to export more and the US did too, the climate policies in those countries have taken a backseat to the energy lobby. American Oil and Gas companies are doing a large amount of PR, and loving this, as people are for once on their side rather than renewables. Germany have spoken and started the long process of coming off Russian Gas and oil, like I say there is political and strategic will there and longer term this will be the biggest loss for Russia if that persists. It would be untrue to say all Europe just cut Russia off yesterday, it will be a long slow process, if only so the public in Europe doesn't drop its support for that process by the costs going up too high. The longer the Russian war in Ukraine persists, the longer that political will is reinforced. Which is one reason Russia wanted a quick war.

@John Paul Can be easy and I appreciate the prespective being reflected to me that I need to work on it. It depends on many factors. Trauma, proximity to what's being said, ego identification with the topic, how close someone is to reality, upbring, peer group etc I'm sorry for this next line: In some ways you are discussing character or manners in your post above, while asking people not to.

Well when we give or see a comment like that, its a way of seeing it in ourselves or the other. The arguments you see are huge signs of things to learn or grow from. Its the most direct, highlighted way to grow if someone is willing. Its never nice and doesn't feel good but those feelings get the mind to focus on why.

The summary of this topic is, for me. Everyone painted themselves into a corner here. Until we are willing to look at all aspects of it, we will repeat the mistakes.

1, I understand of course but it doesn't work like that in practice for complex devices. High tech devices are made by many countries, you get one piece here, one piece here and one pierce here. 2, You'll be surprised. i would be astonished if Germany didn't go to nuclear power for example. There is a lot of anger and political will to come off Russian gas. Its not going to be overnight but Russia has lost there significantly. All western countries have acknowledged it is a strategic mistake to buy from Russia. That's a huge developed market to lose. This alone is the biggest hit to Russia. 3, Yes. 4. True but even if the first point above wasn't true, that's a ten year process of redesign and many other technical challenges. For example they will need to completely change their software, their hardware how it all connects together. Systems are fragile at the best of times, even when everyone knows what they are doing (which they never do) and all the parts are working. You'll have to take that from a software engineer's experience. 5. Yep. If they are willing to pay a large cost for such a huge country. I don't think you are really factoring in scale here but yes. The end effect is the same, a weakened economy. 6, That was true until a week ago. Now its Russia that is the one losing respect and influence globally. The aggressor always does. Europe for example just got a huge boost in unity against Russia and that isn't going to end the day Russian forces stop killing people, or even if they left tomorrow. The refugee's will be here, the rebuilding will need to be done. We should also add that Russian cash reserves have been limited because their central bank is. Again there will be work arounds but again it'll be a cost.

Yes thank you. I really wish we had that indepth look at the way Russia was governed and its society existed, from a yellow thinker somewhere for reference, we'd learn so much. Yes it isn't. Its my bias. The biggest obstacle I am aware of now, is the cloak around Russia, one poster called it the Myth, its hurt itself and us with it.

In world that reflects you to yourself. How are unconscious aspects of yourself best realised. Techniques, thoughts, and practical solutions. Anything welcome. Brute force repetition to realise unconscious aspects of life, is obviously there for all of us, but also very tiresome and painful. What else do you personally do for perception? Thank you for your time and energy.

@tsuki It depends on the intent. It becomes propoganda when I say something to you on mass everywhere, with the intent of telling you a story, a reflection, a duality or something I want to be true for everyone and everything. Which I have realised I had a trait of doing. It doesn't work when the citizens are different or completely opposed to what is being said. It only works if they have something inside of them that accepts, or agrees or reflects what's being said. So what the quote you have taken is also saying to me is, the people repeating the state message, have that message in them somewhere or can accept it. Its difficult because its so far apart from the western perspective, or polarity, the two sides are so far apart and that's why we have conflict and misunderstanding. Maybe I'd be best trying to show where they are similiar rather than different. *We also have the conflict because - I want X to be true for everyone and everything. Is in both.

Sanctions have several uses. Its orange limiting red in this case. I would assume that was the point of the businessman and soldier picture above for anyone wondering. My answer to the picture is that it depends on the country. The Russian economy is weakened and over time very weakened. Technology that is there now won't be replaced because exports are blocked. Phones, computers, planes, weaponry, anything high tech is gone. This is oranges way of thinking, expanding the point Russia is now in a costly long term war with a weakened economy, which it hasn't planned to be in. Its put aside reserves but this will be 10 years of draining fuel, supplies, tanks, men, guns, food, ammo etc. What happens to a weakened russian economy fighting an expensive occupation war. It slowly goes further downhill. The military weakens etc. That's the full orange thinking and plan. Red thinking in Russia could be. I see Putin is old, he's showing weakness, he's costing me money, so I'll make my move. Which doesn't mean the red mind doing that will be better, it probably won't. *Maybe we can hope it'll be a different type of person taking power eventually. It hurts the Russian people, yes and I feel for them, but the Russian people are the country, eventually what they are is what leads them. It can't be otherwise without the massive instability, that you see in some countries and will see in Ukraine if Russia Occupy it. Russia based leadership will not reflect the Ukraine population, and so there will be instability unless Russia adapts. This is just a fact of how countries and people imposing their will over others works. So green, we have sympathy for the people and what they are going through, the horrific nature of war. What we don't have are green governments almost anywhere, let alone many Yellow speakers. Some of the European governments are green but not a lot. That's what I see, if I am missing anything please someone expand for me. Thanks. *What I can see i am missing is, 44 million new citizens, will change Russia by being part of it. If under occupation or a puppet. It can't be otherwise without constant war, instability and fighting. That's a big chunk of Russia's population being added.

Funny thing reflected. This reflection can only be me, only come from me, within me :D. Thanks no replies needed. Just a smile.

A warning Seven is usually very deep and difficult to sort through, or find what is useful to you and leave what isn't. I am wondering how Seven's material is intepreted here for one or if its suitable. What do you think? Its been over 10 years since I watched Seven. When I was in a completely different state of being mind/body and soul. When I was part of his first community, I felt that was the best time of my life before I fell into a base consciousness again. Necessary for me to climb back up and probably repeat ad infinitum like we do in cycles till all of our shadow, trauma or illusion is gone. Whatever his vision of source or infinity is, the sun for example being represented, that's not what I was interested in. Do you feel people will on mass awaken to themselves? or Do you feel this spiral dynamics model of human development will exist forever for new parts of ourselves to experience from the base upward? In the past we were taught that animal souls became human over time, leading to this planet being forever populated by new consciousness, but this is obviously such a human biased way of defining spiritual development that I couldn't ever take it seriously. Especially as I began to realise measuring infinity is impossible in the first place. Tthat's why I resisted Leo's model as well before I came to appreciate how it lays out its premise of natural human development from a certain point of view, allowing for helpful reflection toward my own life and how I relate to aspects of it. Thanks for any thoughts on conscious awakening, on mass, which is something I have decided to be receptive to again.

@Gesundheit2 More to the point this is one end to this conflict an eastern and western ukraine, that doesn't mean 10 years of horror.

Numbers I suppose. With all the weapons coming in from the same direction, with ex military now to use them, that airpower won't reach the west side of the country. Plenty of anti air and artillery going with them. If I had to guess, the channel has been pushed now for this reason. Previously when I saw it come up it was averaging about 3k - 4k in views, now that recruiting video is at 300,000 up from 70k when I first saw it a few minutes ago. I imagine tomorrow it may be at a million or more views. If I was guessing strategy it would be to hold the west side of the country but we can't know what the strategy is.

There is a flood of foreign fighters beginning to go. The recruitment clip is starting to go viral. Its by far the most viewed clip on the Ukrainian PR channel. I mean by a huge magnitude and its just gone from 70k to 140k in 5 minutes. I didn't expect this and by tomorrow I have no idea how many views it will have. I expected some people would go but I think this will be a surprise for everyone. *170k since I typed this.

Thank you this is what I need to see inside myself and its another reminder. Much appreciated to see it summed up in a focused way. @tsuki

What I really don't understand. Is why Russia won't adjust to the reality they find themselves in, wouldn't it be easier? They are insisting on disarmament for example, while ever more arms enter the country. Its like Putin wants to make things harder for himself to have success in his own operation. I don't get it, I honestly don't. I get wanting to be ruthless from his point of view, and remove the government or his opponents. I get wanting to make them neutral for his own national defense. I even understand the propaganda machine being unable to now admit they are in a war, which doesn't help them, and again the resistance to be in reality hurts their effectiveness to respond to it. By the way all of this means I still think he's not the man he used to be, and that the humanitarian disaster happening is horrific because of this need to not be vulnerable, or acknowledge his countries actual position in the world going forward. But honestly why are they so bad at adapting to the reality they are in?

Gratitude to you all @BipolarGrowth @Benton @Loba Outlines the challenges as well as potential.

To look at what was being said above on terror, as well as it was dismissed way too easily. Shells are used for terror, to break the morale of defenders, all waring parties do this in some form, intimation, violence, threat of violence, to spread fear and terror. They try and turn the people against their authorities using fear and terror. Its another reason to not want war, ever. The argument is best on how to prevent that from happening, which is why I want to thank @tsuki for his thoughts even if we look at different solutions, I think we have the same goal in mind. The square being hit is symbolic to the Ukrainian people, it was just hit by a missile strike. That is done for terror. I was about to post the video but its come in above, nice synchronicity.

I would be very grateful if would you do my stage green triggers when you see them, Especially if you can act like lego blocks to the missing parts. I have them in me still, I feel them surface and the quicker I see them in the open the easier it is. The unconscious ones are the hardest to learn from and anagonizingly take the longest. I really don't want another lifetime of hitting my head against walls to knock consciousness into myself. All the best. *Oh if I react badly to them when someone does I apologize, but that is often the most helpful.

Part of the issue being missed is a non emotional, multi perspective take on Nato too. Its easy to say oh well its in the media. Is it? Where is the really indepth, historical perspective that takes all sides of what is and isn't, what its done to cause suffering as well as stop it. That I can look at? You might find one in a million but it won't be widespread. Because there is obvious fear of, fear from and demonization of Nato too. Almost in every post I respond to seems to have that demonization rather than understanding of where it came from, why it exists and all the benefits that have come out of it, as well as assigning things that simply don't exist to Nato. You may feel justified in demonizing Nato but you are still doing it. I realised just now that imbalance is what is bugging me here the most. On the other side of course we have nothing but praise or solidarity which right now I understand as its war time. I understand people's wish to demonize the opponents from either side, I also understand their wish to overlook flaws, in or from me and you.

Violence is never okay. Its not okay now. It wasn't okay then. It won't be okay tomorrow. We are here now, not then or tomorrow. All we can deal with immediately in a crisis is what is in front of us. That's why responses often devolve to the immediate, rather than a larger perspective.

Now sure, because the path we are on is the opposite. Even RT were putting this idea forward as late as three weeks ago. The video link is still up in youtube search but they have deleted it. There were quite a few moves in that direction a few years ago and its sad it didn't happen. Sure China would freak out and then? You might not have said it but you are advocating for it. Border disputes can lead to larger wars. People don't just do border disputes either, if this last 4 decades of my have taught me anything, countries have imperialist ambitions, also ambitions for resource gain and to expand spheres of influence. That's not just the big names you think of either, regional powers do this. You can't remove superpowers or regional powers even if you dislike them. Its a fact of population, technology, resources, culture, history and geography. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ Just taking one factor population: India, China, America, Indonesia, Pakistan, Brazil have the potential to move toward being the next superpowers. Russia is in decline relative to first three or four here in terms of their population growth certainly which is part of the reason we have this action being taken now as a land grab for power, control of the gas supply and 40 million more people. When you are talking about a global alliance you have to reflect globally not about Russia or America. The fact is, if Russia had joined Nato we wouldn't be here. If Russia was in the G8 still we wouldn't be here. That's not just Russia's doing, relationship are a two way thing or in this case as you raise China, and I other superpowers, it a multi-way relationship.

@Marv Just saw your post after I posted. Everyone lacks the necessary geopolitical nuance. You are dealing with large collective will that lacks geopolitical understanding and its important to be realistic expecting responses to not be nuanced. In life from the population usually they are not, they are emotional, they are using the information they can glean from the television or internet. Also I wouldn't start second guessing motivations. I mean I could spin that a Russian adviser gave Putin bad advice so he could then replace him or weaken him. Right now that would be just as plausible as a conspiracy theory because the invasion is so terribly executed, and the expectations of Russia buying their own propoganda of them being liberators that they planned for this rather than actually going to war. I mean what seems obvious is they planned for their propoganda rather than the reality.

What I didn't see and was thankfully reminded of by @Preety_India is just how individualist Russia acts as a country, while asking for collectivism from its citizens. While the west does the opposite.

Consider the following. If everyone were in the military alliance there would be 'world peace' or as close to it as we could aim for from an alliance. If all the major powers were in the alliance there would be no major wars or proxy wars. That's the happy fantasy land, but at one point Russia got closer to Nato and almost joined them, If China, India, Russia, America, and Europe were allied, the world would be much safer. Why you think all countries acting to individual interest will promote more peace than war, especially when most of the major powers have nuclear arsenals, the capacity and willingness to fight proxy wars in other countries, or rapid reaction forces that can deploy very quickly, and air or naval power that can reach across the globe, is reasoning that doesn't make any sense to me. For most of our existance we have had wars with our neighbors, what Nato has done for us, is stop that and brought some stability to the world. Sure its for us, but 'us' are most of the powerful economies in the world, the ones with the capacity to do the most damage to each other.