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Really surprised nobody put up disturbed! They've done several that would fit, this genesis cover is probably one of their most well known counter culture videos. This was one of their most powerful covers, originally by Simon & Garfunkel apparently about the Kennedy assassination. Zombie by Cranberries would be my personal pick as I was born in a period of history called the troubles, but you've got that already. The video in that is very powerful Previous generation to me it was groups like the sex pistols, which had a lingering bit of influence as I grew up. The punk scene in the 70's and 80's in the UK was big. In the 90s we killed it with underground raves, which came about because festivals were being closed down and banned. This sort anti-establishment culture, moved into things like the prodigy in the early 90s which did dance music. This one simply being entitled their law, but they have firestarter for example. There was also a lot of what was called indie music, which was another name for UK 90s rock. For the raves generally, it was stuff at the time you could gather in large crowds and mindless dance to, often with a drug culture attached. As you see the album is entitled for the jilted generation. Of which we certainly were, we hated the police and would frequently test the limits of what was legal. For Oasis it was working-class culture getting the spotlight in songs, not so much social change or commentary, but social recognition, which is what this energy became in the years going forward, to be eventually followed after that by culture war we have today. There is a certain working-class tribalism in the UK which you'll only see properly at a football game these days, or at a pub. There are numerous videos comparing football chants in the UK to the US for example, and like much of Europe that collective energy is channeled into sports as it's shunned or suppressed in the wider society. Things in life never go away. Anyone saying I hate X, or that X doesn't exist anymore, The energy itself doesn't go away it just reforms. The social pressures change how it is expressed.

At the moment? To reverse some of the momentum on the right. We are dealing with a large imbalance of idealism on the right now, with the roles having reversed somewhat. A complete collapse of the conservative party would leave us with a center-right labor government. *I want to edit this with that's never going to happen, this will be a flash in the pan, character assassination then carry on as normal.

You perhaps have heard of elfisim which focuses on all living things. The creator of that was recently reallowed on youtube after a long ban. I see it as collective antinatalism but that assumes that the human perspective is paramount over other beings which is a huge leap of ego in my eyes. Antinatalism for me is based on value judgments only, rather than seeing something as a part of a whole or a link in a chain. In pure value terms, I agree a dozen people's happiness cannot make up for one person having cancer. Efilists would argue a billion small creatures killing each other daily is worth no moment of happiness. Suffering isn't without its place. Suffering gives a depth to life that you can't have without it. You cannot really appreciate the depth of something without its contrast. A lot of the time you can't have growth without suffering, we can't meet challenges and better life in broad terms, without people suffering in some form. Assuming of course people are trying to improve life for others, which certainly isn't always the case, many are going through the motions and some are actively making it worse. There is a good argument to be had that humanity isn't moving forward in a harmonious or balanced approach, what that means is, its actively making the biosphere and life worse for those here. The ongoing environmental changes are all i'd really need cite for this, because that's the greatest collective perspective I can draw evidence from. For animals of course a vast majority wouldn't have anything like this moralist way of looking at life, and I would say imposing it over them is flawed. I also agree many parents' reasons for having kids is messed up, and part of the reason society is messed up. It's often only about them, and a value judgment based on the parent's life, or worse, expectations of them. If they instead thought, 1) I want to have a kid to give it the best life I can for him/her, as some do, then that kids life is going to be vastly improved, THEN did the personal value judgment 2) I'll only do this when its right for me, and no amount of expectation will make me have a child. 3) If they went one step further and said how can my child be a contributing part of the community, from a young age, that would be a step up too, but you get the idea. We could use spiral dynamics here, to the level of consciousness of the parents Overall I came to learn from my limited viewing of the ideology of antinatalists and efilists, they can be (or appear) outwardly compassionate people, because they are considering the suffering of others above their own. They are limited to just value judgments which is a capitalist way of looking at the world, and are from my understanding often pure atheists, because if you do consider any form of intelligent or spiritual design to the biosphere we live in, with any greater purpose, that too needs to be put aside to hold these ideologies.

They happen every day. I think the use of nuclear weapons is always extremely unlikely, especially by comparison.

Yes. There will be a rubber band effect eventually but unless someone keeps the courts in check, you can expect this. From my understanding, there have been US presidents which have put a leash on the courts before but failing that yes its a distinct possibility. People's willingness to protest or tolerance of it is an all-time low, so the people's response is muted. Its highly like this will create two countries inside America, and further divide your population for generations.

I have a negative outlook, and I dismissed a spiritual teacher ten years ago when they said we were on a path to WW3. Having watched all this, it's too bleak, I feel this is out of alignment with what is happening. I do feel a large-scale conventional conflict is increasingly possible, as are civil wars in countries that are already unstable. It misses some hope like Egypt or Saudi are greening their desert. It misses some of the technological adaptations which could happen at a faster pace, such as in multi-level indoor farming. So I think the food crisis, being such a unifying necessity will be solved. It misses that if we finally, (ever), get off oil/gas then that will be less of a factor. My thoughts about people's willingness to get off oil and gas are currently at an all-time low however, if this Russia crisis was anything, it was an excuse to do just that, people failed. I think the fall of some of the authoritarian powers is vastly overstated here, because they are on the rise and have been for a very long time. I don't even see civil disturbance being as great as I originally thought, given that most people seem not too bothered about the changes occurring. The level of protest or willingness to tolerate it is an all time low. But yes there are some tough times ahead, possibly some larger conventional or civil wars but I think the video exaggerates. I would like to see the UK's military doubled in size to 4% of GDP as soon as possible personally, and I no longer completely rule out a world war as I did previously, seeing some of the extremism I've seen from opponents in this recent conflict.

There was a significant self-reflection of narcissism in those that were aware enough for such thoughts. I did watch interviews with reformed MAGA supporters at the end of it. When you preach hate or express hate towards a large group, there is always a chance you'll wake up to that part of yourself, or the part you hate and resist. I remember when Trump was elected people telling me the benefits of narcissism for example, I hope at the end of it all, that attitude shifted to show the flaws more readily as well. The other part is, as I keep hammering on about, authoritarianism is still integrating, at the expense of liberal values. It is necessary in the long term even if I hate it :D. I would like to be aware enough to see democracy surviving with more liberal values intact but I can't see that and I don't feel it. Perhaps when emotions are no longer running so high, some liberal positivity will return, as it tends to need positive outlooks to flourish. PS Before anyone goes off, I don't mean capitalism - socialism. I mean authoritarianism at the expense of liberal values. Please if you can split those up in any replies that'd be great.

A few other examples I can think of things that do exactly that, but are/were still part of the culture binding a country are: War, Intelligence services, Dog Eat Dog cultures, cultures with a history of piracy or privateering, Colosseums, Slavery, Raiding, etc. Many of which are negative things but still formed the basis of a culture. As I said it doesn't have to be positive from our point of view for it to be true.

Although moving countries is difficult for anyone. Is this more true in Russia and China? I honestly have no idea, I assume wages are generally lower so money is harder to save for a large move but beyond that?

We are in corporate feudalism more than capitalism. Here is a video you might have seen but it was great at the time. The problem is most of us with any left-leaning parts of ourselves, have got so used to not caring about image, nobody thinks about it. Which is a weakness I understand to abandon it completely. For decades we've been ignored, mocked, derided, and you develop a very tough skin to things like image concerns or just general nonsense abuse. I'd even go as far to say that a good portion of left-leaning people go out of their way to be counter-culture to image. All of this is a strength in things like reform when you need to be able to weather the pushback. You get used to it and gradually don't care.

Never done it, but i've done it with a person in the dreamscape, I've also lived a moment through their eyes, so I would assume yes. Set your intent for the dreambody before you sleep to see what happens. If you can lucid dream or astral travel then you've another option. Try bringing back a lost pet, or if you are in control of your dreams and have a sound mind/body a dead relative. That can bring some pain though if you are still at the mercy of impulse or emotion toward them/yourself.

Trees unsurprisingly

Now you've arrived at that perspective. Back then it was the backbone of the culture, the strive to be rich was over here as well to a lesser degree. You are looking at something through a modern lens, and not appreciating how it used to be. I would suggest watching interviews on how the mall for example was the meeting spot for American youth, or how wall street was seen as a positive progressive force by most people. How and why things like muscle cars were a sex symbol, or the fanatic nature of fans which went even further than it does now. I don't know American culture as well as someone that was born there, but I do know the time quite well as I was born at the end of it. We had some of what I've written above, where money was everything, it defined almost all opportunities in life rather than as it is now, where you can with a good work ethic, some luck, and the training/team achieve almost anything. Naturally, because money almost completely defined not only your social status but almost value as a person, materialism was aspired to more readily. Things were status and the act of trying to get things, was an identifying aspect of culture back then. I'm trying to give you a snapshot into the mindset because its completely different to when I was young. I'll close with, just because something is harmful doesn't mean culture isn't built around it. War for example was a pillar of many cultures through history even if the average people in those cultures hated and never wanted to see it.

This is a wider perspective on the spiritual/materialist connection that was just dropped for synchronicity.

@Devin Quote: I think our culture divides us. Because of the changing view on materialism. Can you see if it was celebrated as before in past decades, it'd be the opposite? People were celebrating wealth, it was a defining aspect in media or film, and the now mocked American dream was a staple of the culture. Now its an extremely divisive issue that is quite literally a splintering factor in your own country. Quote: Americans eat each other alive Competition was/is a strong part of your culture, more so than mine. We'll have to disagree on the rest. I could continue to cite where authoritarian parties have risen in power and influence globally, but if raw numbers are not enough to demonstrate it, wars from expansive authoritarian powers, and landmark political reforms going on in your own country I don't know what will. The world hasn't had a progressive liberal phase at all, that's the problem. Part of the world's population in a couple of dozen countries has, over half a century. If the world had, or even the majority of governments, we'd not be having this conversation. *I did want to add I agreed with this. Quote: Many sub cultures do not understand the changes therefore are afraid of them, therefore desperately fight against them.

First off that's great. Its part of what needs to happen to flatten this pyramid somewhat. Second find something that is fulfilling to you and don't stop until you do. Failing that offer as much value to others with your work as you can, its a good fallback :D, if you can get both well you hit the jackpot. You will always feel something is missing in life if it is. Until all of life is integrated properly and accepted there will always be a level of suffering and self-doubt present. Both in you but also in it. The problem is society has suppressed certain components of itself, now to the point they are almost invisible, where you are labeled all manner of derogatory terms for even mentioning them or their surrounding challenges/issues in life. You can always reprogram the mind to do another task, but you can't sway your spirit to be something it isn't.

@Devin I wouldn't use the term devolving personally. All countries are adjusting to the rise of authoritarian superpowers and their influence on the collective or geopolitics, which is trying to reach for a global stage green parity, at least at the level of intent for foreign policies and cooperation. I mean France very nearly went far right in this last election, and nationalism, even fascism has been on the rise through Europe for a couple of decades, especially in the east but in truth most countries. People can deny that all they want, all they need to do is look at election numbers and the leaders of those parties. By culture I mean culture. It helps form communities with a common identity, but a community can have more than one for example. Traditions for me are created in the culture and are upheld through the culture, otherwise, they end. Empires in the past like anything have fallen for a variety of reasons, one common one is a declining culture and the loss of a sense of common identity as a result, the empire, country, or group splitting apart into small collectives. Materialism does divide an individual from an individual but it still forms the basis of what being an American seems to be to a lot of people. Again I am not advocating for its merits/flaws, just stating an observation.

Reform is always better than removal to leave a void for some of the reasons I've given above. With the greatest respect, again I ask for this to continue in a different thread. It's difficult for me to advocate the benefits and flaws of traditional culture and even materialism, while at the same time being dismissed as a left-wing extremist. While the contrast is amusing the two conversations don't overlap well. You seem like a reasonable person to talk to and thank for you the discussion.

I'd be happy to have a discussion on culture in a different thread, it might be an interesting topic. I think most cultures go through periods of being strong, growing, and vibrant, with periods of decline, stagnation etc.

I'm sorry this discussion got buried in personal attacks and nonsense talk, I missed this. I am not in the frame of mind for an in-depth discussion on culture, but would be happy to in another thread. For a brief summary. Cultures end or less dramatically reform for all kinds of reasons. Without things that define a culture, it is weaker yes, cultures bring a people together and gives them common ground. They allow for things like celebrations, festivals, tourism in good times, and common identity in hard times like war or economic depression. It encourages people to work together when times get tough and gives them a collective identity.

@Leo Gura I have had so many examples of comments getting censored or channels getting closed for nothing that you are straight-up wrong Leo. Yes people can't view everything on earth but much more of it should be available to them. Not censored from view. You may dislike the word, but that is its meaning. I expected better than trash talk. If that's all you've got. Shall I reflect it? You've lost your mind in a bubble of self-superiority and projection of your own bias. Because you dislike the opposing opinion and way it's framed you see fit to attack the poster of the opinion rather than address the perspective itself. Which is always the sign of a limited mind or flawed perspective. You make leaps in judgement on people because it's quicker and easier to do. Its easier to put people in a category you can dismiss when they don't fit with your worldview. I do time to time view a video, but barely consume any political or social media whatsoever these days, for the reasons I've given above. People rarely tell me what to think without a good argument because I am too stubborn for it, so perhaps read a person a bit better before leaping to conclusions.

You added this so I'll make a separate quote for it For the great majority of my life I don't care who is reading or watching something, only fruitless times when I thought I was making a difference did I go down that road. Most of the time in my life I am talking to you, and only the poster I am replying to. That said the audience size should have little or no bearing on censorship if two people are not abusive to each other.

Why do you think I am still on this forum? Its one of the few places I can have a discussion. Your neighbor does not control the street, town, city, and country's ability to put out signs on all yards, even their own. Google does, along with facebook and a few others, that's all you get to see, because 90% of the internet is completely censored from your view, and the rest of it is buried so deep in the algorithm you'll never see it anyway, and of those sites that do exist, they are also bury most of the content that isn't made from mainstream sources.

Rarely have I seen so much gaslighting. I am envious of your ability to not only dismiss people but belittle their experiences from your enlightened perspective.

Come on. About 10% of the internet is accessible these days, of that 10% only 0.00001% gets to the top to be seen at all. Discussions I am in on youtube frequently my partner is deleted, it happens to me also when I am on the wrong side of a debate. Censorship is the worst I've ever seen it in my entire lifetime. It used to be discussions were deleted or usually locked (and left) when they became abusive, not when they had opposing opinions the trend has become so bad it's absurd. I even seen people asking for it on this very forum, which is a complete 180 on attitudes. This is a case of you either having opinions that are more accepted by the censors. When they are not they won't be there, or would be buried so deep nobody ever finds it in any search algorithm anyway. I had considerably more freedom to even have a conversation in earlier periods of my life, that's a fact, there was considerably more of the internet accessible in its earlier years too, that's also a fact. Many of the other things I've listed I've observed nobodies told me it. I've never had anyone talk to me about 50's cultural trends, in film, fashion and media. Nobodies come up and said look how older names are making a comeback . Nobody makes a video on collective concessions to culture or society because of the rising authoritarian superpowers, Not until right now with these massive changes to law. Sure there was some whispering in socialist circles about how Breitbart was funded and the influence it had, but that was a very slow drip of news. I doubt many people can even see it because it's a gradual change over decades. That's an observation, the fact you want to dismiss it because I'm supposedly watching the wrong videos only highlights the point. You would rather dismiss those speakers because they have an opposing view to you. Which is the trend. People are constantly being banned for saying things that don't walk the line. There was a period when almost every left-wing speaker on youtube or facebook was banned, then it moved to focus in on individual comments on text. Before this it was just burying every single independent news outlet, you can barely find any independent news anywhere unless you really take the time to look. Before that it was people copyright claiming everything that wasn't run by a billionaire or government media. You can tell me its not raining when I am soaked, but when I see every single day, yes every day, the speaker I am talking to having his comments deleted, or mine when I am not toeing the establishment line. This post would 100% for certain be deleted if I made it on youtube.