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@Haribo Because people are not limited to one aspect of their psyche, nor should they be easily placed into convenient labels when talking about their entire personality. We should not dismiss any aspect of life as being not useful, especially when applied across millions or as a way of interacting with such a collective. In truth people and society have multiple aspects to their personality that are in different stages of development, beyond that they choose to access different ways of thinking depending on the situation, or who/what they are interacting with. You are often dealing with patterns of behavior too as much as a conscious choice, in the collective of that country, group, or individual. I often kick up into green for example when I am dealing with a lot of blue and sometimes orange pushback. This is natural and sometimes hits a wall lacking any empathy whatsoever, so whatever identity or collective identity I am using in that discussion gets flattened Sometimes it successfully points people to look at more than just money, or their obligations to family and community. If I were to take the time to understand their perspective in more depth, perhaps I would be able to reach some sort of understanding between viewpoints without this generic green approach. Even if it were, possible, who has time to learn every perspective on every issue before they reach a conversation or interaction with that perspective? It's much the same on the macro: Nation states are a vehicle we use to organize and govern populations without having to understand every perspective intricately in them at once, we make laws or rules that frame how they live and decide a status quo. Nations are built of things like complex cultural, racial, resource and geographical concerns, that we have to sum up into actionable law or collective identity. Is this outdated, no because we are using it. Is it more helpful to the planet than a globally interconnected super collective, in some ways yes, and some way no. The larger the area governed, generally the more inefficient policies decided at a macro level are, because they either have to make assumptions or comprise so much of local concerns that it becomes cumbersome. Of course, larger countries often get around this by delegating certain laws to smaller areas, which brings its own tensions and concerns where those areas interconnect. If you wanted to, you could say we govern somewhat globally now, but those own individual areas have their own perspectives and concerns which cause friction or division. Trouble is by overemphasizing national identity over global identity we get war for example, an increase in selfishness, and more of a zero-sum game. You get great imbalances too.

On what exactly? What major policy has the democratic party gone left on? If you get one you'll be doing well.

@Yarco Because of human adaptability without over sensationalizing the severity nobody ever does anything or pays attention to how things have changed one decade to the next. I can physically see very little snow compared to when I was a kid, and much hotter temperatures. Further the biosphere will survive long after we are dead. It is no exaggeration to say people will not be able to feed themselves as easily in the coming years. Threads like this and media coverage to kick people up the behind to keep on advancing agricultural technology or climate policy, are very much required. There will be a point when a % of a population dies of heatstroke for example, that will happen at some point. You need your body temperature to be above 40c for an extended period to experience heatstroke. This week in the UK we hit for the first time ever 40c. Ten years from now what will we hit 45? 10 years after that 50? The time period isn't important so much as the fact it will happen, by that point what temperature will places like spain be at? It's the extremes that will cause death so they are worth highlighting. Eventually, when 40c become the norm for a summer nobody will care, because we'll adapt. I remember for the longest time farming and food was never talked about. It is also not an exaggeration to say some areas of the planet will become uninhabitable more as the years go on either through flooding, changing weather patterns, or these extreme temperatures making living there increasingly difficult. They already are, which is why resource wars have been happening for decades, and as food/fuel often underpins the strength of an economy its why emigration happens gradually out of these areas. For people who don't need to be told look here is an impending disaster, let's do something about it in headline. As I say its been a gradual change for the worse across my entire lifetime. Certainly not a gen z :D, but I appreciate the compliment. It's not even consistent, it's just a graph over a long period of extinction, rising temperature, rising sea levels etc. Its a clear pattern that is not being reversed because its not given priority. Now you add two huge economies like India and China, well the problem will accelerate, as all the 2nd world in Asia, for example, become first world nations, and all the 3rd world fully industrializes.

I agree we have to push for it, but he's also being realistic. Without the fight, the reasoning or the argument, things will be worse than they are otherwise. Technology might save the species, it might not, but unless there are people holding people's feet to the fire to get it done, it will come more slowly than it would otherwise.

That's not how climate change works sadly. Its a very slowly increasing gradient of severity, that people adapt to and thus ignore. If it were something that was a huge event relative to normal life that happened over the most polluting areas, it would be difficult to ignore, but its usually nothing like that. This is a large shadow in the human species, and their adaptability for once hurts them and their planet in the long term. I mean half of Australia was on fire, and they barely shifted their policy an inch. I occasionally watch Australian news coverage, and they still refer to climate policy as a climate cult, because you know everything that isn't status quo is a cult LOL. I don't mean to bash Australia here, it's just a good example of the collective, and the dismissal of anything inconvenient to the individual. For decades so many species are near extinction or have gone extinct globally that it's a joke, so other species suffering is of little collective concern to the human race otherwise that would be more important. People complaining about immigration from warmer countries, resource wars (always called something else) and food prices, but they haven't seen anything yet. Food price is perhaps the one saving grace people will acknowledge in their daily lives, but even that adaption is just as likely, and the blame can forever be put elsewhere. I tend to agree. When adaptability wins out over morality, inconvenience or suffering, I don't see that happening for a good long while. I even would ask why would technology be developed. What would be the financial return, given that most populations are still thinking in terms of zero-sum survival and purely individual value judgments. The only thing that comes to mind is, someone could sell technology as life-changing for the people buying it, and how it would bring some immediate benefit to their lives, for example, in lowering food prices for the collective. Maybe we are holding out for the collective jump to green, where things beyond personal value judgments are of paramount concern, rather than a luxury, but I don't see collective thinking yet in regards to the environment.

@Razard86 Thanks I need to love and respect the status quo more, the judgments more, the feeling of being judged more as that holds the status quo in place. That's what the collective reflection of the thread was showing me, and you pointed me towards in summary. There is nothing wrong with being powerless, we all are powerless and powerful about a whole host of things. Including the judgments, we make and receive. Judgments are in every stage, integrated as part of life and often unspoken. I need to integrate something(s) that I have an emotional charge toward still. That's what this period of judgment has been about for me, dialing it up in intensity until I came to this conclusion. Appreciate it. Hope I can offer the same to some of you in the future.

No warning points. This forum seems very reasonable in its moderation. I also don't care if a thread gets locked when its done, if we had the discussion, then we had the discussion, what comes next is less important. It's annoying if it happens mid-conversation, especially on a particularly serious issue that someone is having. I do complain about censorship myself quite often. Maybe the last ten years I've come to accept that some is necessary as people on a whole, can't or don't take more than one perspective on an issue into account. This leads them into narrower and narrower viewpoints when presented with so many speakers and channels. The balance is the more there is censorship the less people can form their own opinions on subjects, at least those of us that do try to look through different providers and speakers have less to look at. Insights are missed for example, and things repeat until they are seen.

Complaining about censorship, while complaining about those complaining about censorship. Come on guys.

I appreciate all of this, I do thank you. Some of this is true for my life some isn't. I am aware enough of my patterns to usually tell you them the second after they have happened. Studying more won't help change the underlying emotional state, it just expands my awareness of life and myself, spiritual work can help but I've done a lot. I feel just doing more spiritual work is the same, knowing isn't doing or feeling. It helps put you outside of something and remove the reactive emotional attachment but doesn't change the state beyond that. Yes :). Thank you this is what I feel. Its easier. Its just reflecting what's there in me and that takes no effort whatsoever, internally/externally to change. I would say laziness and just being comfortable with that status quo inside myself is the biggest vice I have. I value comfort so highly it influences everything. I do occasionally have negative internal feelings. Its not common now like they used to be, and they are gems of information when they happen. Usually related to an identity I have attached too much value or expectation on. Its more an overall state that I am still inside, like an egg for want of a better word. Where I favor judgmental responses as opposed to empathetic ones. My default is judgment not empathy and this I dislike. Several years ago I told someone who reflected this judgment way of thinking to me the exact same thing, about their words being love expressed a different way. All source through a filter. There response was almost instant. Perhaps the conditioned state is so strong because of the pre-existing judgments in society, and so in myself. If there are macro spiritual techniques, not dealing with a single emotion or trauma but an entire conditioned way of thinking/reacting that would be appreciated. Alternatively, perhaps I just need to finally accept the judgmental authoritarian side of myself once and for all and stop resisting it :D. Thanks all for your time.

Yes I feel that. I don't hold hate, only if I've been through a trauma or something I can't let go of. It's more that the ego is empowered when its speaking in a hateful way. It/I feel stronger, and more secure when my judgments are strong for example. When I put this in this place, and this in that place. It gives a great deal of control. Whereas being in a loving or grateful state just feels good, it can encourage positive experiences sometimes.

@Danioover9000 That is your assumption or projection to your feelings from my own words. There was no emotional trigger there. I've listened to him on some issues and found it beneficial as I have a blue shadow at times and he helps correct it in an intelligent way at times. Not towards religion however, authority. In fact, half of the post was in agreement with his basic philosophy in a way to reach religious people, and the first post was saying he was useful to the conversation overall. My so-called extremist positions would be right-wing to you and Peterson on some issues for clarity, it is only on economic or internal social issues I am a lefty. It is not extremist to highlight why calling your political opponents satanic to people who take the bible so literally, is not only extremely unhelpful to intelligent or reasoned debate but also dangerous in the current political climate. Further to then be surprised when you receive a reflection of that hate back shows very little self-awareness.

When I want to express gratitude and love I have to make a conscious effort. When I want to express hate I just need to reflect on something. Perhaps it is because there is so much hate pre-existing.

@Danioover9000 Much of that post was in agreement with the basic values he started with. If I were to complain about your response and say I was a victim of it, then I would be running the same line Peterson does for example. It is expected when you make negative remarks about something they return to you, especially in his case when you call them satanic. Where? He says: The woke political Correct Degenerate Neo marxist Ideas are in fact just the satanic enemy within, not the individuals themselves. Materialists are only partially consumed by the devil LOL. etc etc Conflating socialism and liberal wokeism together is bad enough, and is my pet peeve of modern politics. Seeings as I hate the cultural war and see it largely as an endless distraction to avoid talking about other issues, ones that affect substantial change in people's lives. Many socialists share this sentiment, that liberals are the best interference capitalists ever have to economic change. Then adding the devil, satanic impulse in there to make socialists out to be biblical enemy, to those who define their lives by the bible, then wondering why people respond negatively. You can't see why people would respond negatively? Honestly? You can't see why this time of extreme division this rhetoric causes people who believe in things like the devil as an absolute, to go do extreme things in the name of their bible? There is certainly something wrong when you are promoting your political opponents as satanic, something fundamentally wrong with the person's mind. It makes no sense whatsoever to promote a set of cultural values from any source across populations that don't share them, or worse share an opposing position to them. It doesn't make any sense when atheists do it, and it doesn't make any sense when religious people do it.

Let's break down the video in detail: Spends a minute of time building himself up in his introduction to sound like an authority figure. It is time for people to stop fighting against each other, whenever possible. It is always time for self-reflection and improvement. Highlighting common values is always useful. Beating the drum of hatred for his own political ends, giving them a common enemy. Labeling other's life values as satanic because they do not align with his. Points people toward spreading their values outward. Plays the victim of being attacked, while attacking others in the previous sentence. Then wondering why. Gives people a platform to publish these types of articles. Heralds a book that was written thousands of years ago as the way to bind communities, including those who have opposing views to the book. He is a man of contradictions. Speaks about peace while calling for hostility. Speaks about unity while spreading division.

Revolution and reform is likewise necessary fuel for orange to cross to green. Being tired of the status quo, the rat race, or just chasing a profit/goal etc. The energy of reform doesn't cease to exist it will just collectively manifest as something else, like a riot or counterculture. Perhaps some radical political reform like what's happening right now? Soon subconsciously at this rate. Society would stagnate at Orange without collective action. When you are trying to go from Green to Yellow in more areas of your life that's when you need more intricate understanding of all stages, and including what Peterson offers when he does a video. Because when you see flaws in something that is of incredible value in of itself, and so is relating through all the different perspectives of life more readily to others.

Oh and on energy. India is buying all the Russia oil the EU have let go and more. I was searching for a comparison graph but I couldn't locate it. This means Russia won't be hurting in its energy markets, and these countries will be burning oil more readily to up temperatures, AND oil is for war. When a country has an excess amount of oil, that factors into their readiness for war at least in China's case.

@actuallyenlightened There are strict nuclear doctrines. Russia will not do a first strike overseas without changing theirs, there is a long line of people involved in that process. They will also know their opponent's response ahead of time, they won't be hoping they won't be nuked, if it's the policy of that country to do a second strike then they will and will know that far in advance. This is why nuclear weapons work as a deterrent, everything is published ahead of time in the open. I hear differing reports about China, but I did mention it because the housing crisis is quite bad there. I don't know if its enough for the economy to stagnate though let alone enter a depression. Perhaps, if we see them stop expanding their influence in Africa economically for example that will be a sign they are at least stagnating. Food is an issue yes, for a lot of countries right now. It will be increasingly so for those that don't make preparations for global warming, if only because the crops each country will be able to grow will change, or dwindle at worst. Seafood for example will be hard to come by as coral reefs die out. Indoor farms, boosting agriculture sectors at home, and greening of deserts are certain countries planning ahead for the challenges to come. China and India will suffer here because their populations are so big, its a monumental task to ensure a billion people are fed in all areas when the food market is shifting so much. Flooding of course on all coastal cities will continue to increase, and those that are already in deserts or high temperatures now, which are not doing anything to lower them (greening deserts) are going to be less habitable. I don't see China being as rash as Russia, certainly not using nukes. I see them just waiting it out for an American president who takes his eyes off Taiwan and then invading. There will be a president in America one day that will say something like, we need to focus on American issues not asian issues, and that will be the cue for China to seize Taiwan. Of course, I could be wrong and they might rashly invade, but China will get all it wants and more if they continue to grow in influence, economically they will end up owning Taiwain a few decades from now if they have patience. Sri Lanka is an example of a debt-ridden country being crippled by tourism falling due to covid and internal issues, and a highly corrupt government. I wouldn't compare it to a superpower that has a growing economy, even if it has certain pressures on it. Some countries are just in a better position to weather this storm than others.

Synchronicity I was watching this at the time I read Leo's post So as I prefer to do, here is the opposite outlook to balance my own.

Sorry I should have been more specific. In military doctrine, the use of nukes first is called a first strike. I don't know of a country on earth with nukes that has a nuclear first strike doctrine against a naval force. Russia does for example have a first strike when they are losing a land battle on its own territory and the country is in danger of being overrun. This is also why nuclear powers don't fight conventional wars on their own territory and instead attack each other's spheres of influence either directly or indirectly. Almost all modern wars are a result of this. References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_strategy Check the see also section for a few doctrines, first strike, second strike etc. So when I say more conventional wars are more likely, they are infinitely more likely based on past history, they just won't be fought on the land of nuclear powers, at least until missile defense has become much more effective. As for happening on its own. I was referring to an authoritarian government only collapsing usually when their economic or military policy fails them. Most people if they are well fed, have reasonable jobs, and feel secure in their military forces they are not prone to an uprising. Sometimes democratic groups get enough funding and coverage to push for change but that's usually only viable when the population is discontent. I don't see the people of Russia or China discontent, there are some murmurings in China, but the state apparatus to suppress the population is incredible these days. It works on so many levels, that I don't see democratic change in any of the large authoritarian powers happening any time soon. Meanwhile they are extending their spheres of influence over more and more of the world, which is changing governments everywhere.

As a first strike? Still extremely unlikely as that would mean a retaliation and again the end of millions of lives (at best). The only possibility for a nuclear strike is against a country that is far outside the influence of a nuclear power, which are a few but not many, and most of those don't have the military to make it necessary. When they reach that stage sure, either through economic collapse or losing a war badly enough. Getting to that stage when the authoritarian way of governing is ascendent in culture and the population is not going to happen on its own.

It's great people are waking up, better late than never I guess. A theocracy is also an outside possibility. The Overton window is so far to the right now, that the center-right is apparently the far left, and anyone left of that on any issue is called an extremist, it's beyond ludicrous. I feel sorry for Canada because I like that country and it will inevitably be pulled further right itself through America's sphere of influence. It'll be a time to see if people are willing to fight for democracy or not, because that is what it will take in many countries.

Very sad I hope some of the donation links are enough to ease the final months/years. It seems like she's being sentenced to death on the streets because as she says she can't take care of herself.

Not to be too descriptive but if Texas bans two methods of intercourse as they are trying, then they largely ban gay people from having sex. A dozen other states have the same anti-sodomy law they can enforce. They don't need to ban gay marriage to persecute gay people. Contraception is also on the table for a ban. This video is more reactive than i'd like but its true. Most people would have been shocked abortion was under threat a few years ago, so yes its perfectly possible. I don't know how much more people need convincing. Your unelected court can decide policy, they've decided the EPA doesn't have the power to enforce anything like clean air. So that's gay rights, trans rights, right to contraception environmental protection, child labor laws and other employment laws that I can think of. They don't care if its unpopular, they are a court, they are not elected and their position is for life.

People need to see how bad it will get while the reformist half of the liberal party is constantly ignored and put down. Where there is no pushback to the continued rise of the authoritarian right. You could accelerate the awareness of what abandoning the activist half of the party is doing to the country. The understanding will probably get there eventually on its own after some more suffering, that or your country will eventually have a third party break through the legal redtape, especially as the boomers eventually lose their grip on power. One of the defining trait of generation X was always not to be labeled, so if their time finally comes in power a third party is increasingly likely. But no amount of calling for unity while admonishing the progressive half of the liberal party will actually create it. That's outward. Inward you can look for a state that does more represent your values, it looks like states will be increasingly split as to the quality of life and values within them. If a place for you doesn't exist I hate to say but i'd move. Thankfully in America you have more choice as to where to move and if not easy access to canada. Though we value our rights more, we are not entirely different to America in the UK, and face a continued push of our politics to the right. I keep looking at Scandinavia myself as the quality of life there of workers seems to be in the top of anywhere in the world, up until recently I was strongly considering germany also because in previous crisis I'd always thought they'd managed them very sensibly. That has changed with their dependency on Russia, with them still going ahead on removing nuclear fuel. That's a huge misstep when these power sources need to be expanded to allow for a country to decide its own foreign policy. Canada was also a place I looked at for the quality of life, the relatively cheap value of land compared to here, and I seem to like Canadians as a people.

On the sports field. The arms producers can be retooled for space colonization.