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@ChrisZoZo Knowing how you relate to anything you come across in life is a key. It is also a way to preempt or reshape consciousness directly.

Truth can be painful along with every other potential observation you can make about it. If you are fine with that, then your range of experience will be wide. No point avoiding or staying away from anyone.

@Yimpa How can anyone resolve things from any other place? You can wait for insight, see a message given in your consciousness (which is there for most questions before they are asked), work something out yourself, ask another for an answer. That's about it.

True. Words are a conceptualization.

We are in a time of consolidation. On a practical level of cost-cutting. Of removing the unnecessary. Standardization, structure, and repetition. You get the idea, this isn't a decade people on mass have lots of excess money in their pockets, excess time, energy, or a want to explore new things. This is a conservative time. Conservatives will be happier. I don't know how much longer it will last. We'll see. Probably till AI has at least been partially standardized into the modern world, the recessions are over, people are tired of repeating media, have less national fervor etc. These will be triggers to push the opposite direction. On a more general level, people who identify as liberals and conservatives have different things which make them happy. Their measure for happiness would be different. So unless you are using two different scales to measure these two ideologies on you won't get accurate results. Then there are things that all humans, regardless of how affiliated they are with an ideology, find happiness in of course.

The way to skip steps or traps is to resolve any conflicts you have in your life before they hit you in the face :D, or if you are less dramatic a person than me. Before they gently start prodding you to look at them. To clarify look at how you relate to anything you are hiding from or having difficulty with, and consider that relationship.

@SOUL Conversation requires a conceptualization of reality, to then pass that on to another person. Some of us are meant to open up that conceptualization, others to reinforce or close it. The interplay you are seeing is part of the dynamic that shapes an evolving reality.

People put themselves through suffering every day. Even knowing the result will be suffering. I envy your experience of the opposite. I grew up in a house of addiction and abuse. My brother takes opiates still (at middle age), well aware of the decades of suffering he has inflicted on himself as an example. We choose certain things that we know lead to suffering. Suffering itself can be addictive. Forming a heavy sense of self-identity. Also the pain of the trauma can be used to define a life, career, purpose, or at best raise consciousness. I am an abuse victim. This is an identity I sometimes step into to help relate to others suffering abuse, indulge an emotional state, or protect the abused part of myself. I can drop this into a conversation to remind myself of it and experience a small part of that trauma relived in conversation. Music. Film. Relationships or when advising others. I can go watch a particularly moving film that echos the suffering I experienced, feel it in the pit of my stomach. A very easy example is Good Will Hunting if you've ever seen it, its light and easy to watch. It contains a therapist and an abuse victim. Double the addiction or catharsis is watching a person reacting to the trauma, as is common currently on youtube, and feeling a small part of my own conscious experience brought to light in their own emotional reflection. Which is quite beautiful I've let much of this go over time, but I intentionally keep some of it. I intentionally hold on to the part of me that suffers as I feel incredibly protective over it. I formed the protective masculine identity that wasn't there in my childhood, inside myself. We can design our own suffering, even if the initial trauma was completely out of our control. *I'll drop this here. If any abuse victim wants to know what method I used for healing. Well life and getting honest with myself number one. As well as the completion process teal swans book. It was very good.

Thank you all for the thoughts @Ulax | @Michael569 | @Ninja_pig People's own experiences and opinions are probably the best thing to ask, when looking at careers like this. I appreciate it, and will keep an eye on the thread if anyone has any other experiences they want to share. Gratitude. Have a great day.

What careers in your experience help the most people? In any capacity that you've experienced. Thanks.

Do you have any data on this?

@Moksha By your definition yes. We are not separate they are you! We are not in a special box on this forum. That doesn't exist. They observe like you do. What you call the absolute is them/you/it/whatever. Then there is noise in the way, which clouds it. Okay they might not have looked behind the curtain and had an experience that explicitly defines a concept of larger ME in their mind but they see larger ME every day they exist. Maybe they don't need the experience, maybe they don't want the experience. What I have experienced they probably won't, they'll have their own realisations about life. As they do, I will too, because everything ripples out, and influences everything else. You having your experiences, us having this conversation is the stream I spoke about and nobody is out of that stream. There really is no separation, no end point either, no final absolute realization. Because tomorrow you are going to have another if you are open to it. Which, to me, was the point of the message in the thread. The second someone says ah I have it, they tend to say that's it. Maybe they write a book telling everyone that's it, and it becomes a religion. Meanwhile the stream they were in has become something else entirely.

@Moksha Thank you for this conversation The environment and collective support identity, they reward and encourage it. Using a role allows you to be the identity for anyone looking to engage with or in it. People look and say oh he's a X. Nobodies experiencing every possible detail/connection/aspect whatever of their consciousness at all times. You have a Plateau that you (and almost everyone here) keep referencing, it doesn’t exist. There is just a stream that keeps going, and it keeps changing direction, you see other things when it does. I experience what you say daily. Everyone does. There is a certain level of noise in the way for all of us. We do get in the way of ourselves. I let go of everything often. It gets me nowhere :D, but then there is nowhere to be. Unless I put on a role and go do something. I understand that what we focus on we magnify (because that’s all that exists). What is immediately around us always has some of that focus, it can’t not else we’d walk into a wall for example. I might want something to be another way but it isn’t. I can’t change the base of the tree, even if I look up and see how beautiful the leaves are Can I turn a boring job interesting by allowing it to be? Sometimes. Sometimes the room will be more vivid in color, the energy will be warmer or more comforting, the connections or interactions bring joy and synchronicity or I feel like I helped someone. But I cannot also escape that I am also stacking shelves, running a till, sitting in an office counting numbers, sitting in a chair waiting for work, looking for patient files in a cluttered filing cabinet, cleaning up a disgusting fridge, working with itchy fiber glass, looking at a factory floor that is itself a horrific energy/state. I can draw hundreds of meanings and connections from each of these events, some only come years later in another form. Depending on what I focus on, i could list everything above as having helped and hurt me in different ways. I could say they built a foundation, or wasted time or whatever observation I want to give it. It's just a stream of life coming at you.

@Moksha I'll give the otherside of the coin to. With distance you learn a lot. Without identity, you are much more open to things outside of that identity. You see the connections more easily, there is no resistance when the identity is perceived to be damaged in some way. A war would be much less likely to be fought or continue past its origin, the same with an argument, or perceived damage to that identity. Its an easier way to live. Things flow easier, life is more comfortable and peaceful. You are not constantly shattering parts of yourself or your consciousness into individual pieces. Right now I don't have the identities listed above, Except for the last one :D, but I can take them on if I need them and want to achieve a goal. I do use the identity of being from my country and also European, also one of family, but these are loose.

Generally speaking without identity there isn't the same investment in something. You can't for example take on the identity of a harder worker, or someone who is flexible, supports others, and thus looks good to an employer. This identity gets you a promotion, more money, more respect from the staff or at least the management. Stacking shelves. No. This made me laugh a bit when I first read the post. If you don't comply to strict rules and regulations working in a grocery store, you are out. The companies all actively want you to promote them as part of your identity. Different bosses have different tolerances but the rules of the company are still paramount. There is a constant want to leave inside of myself in these types of routine jobs, this usually starts within the first three months. Creating a series of books. I can get deeper into them using the identity of a writer, but yes you probably could without. There is more freedom and creativity there. Using identity I can immerse myself more fully in the role. I can put myself in the space using writing music, listening to lectures from writers, old connections for publishing, make new connections more easily. I'd introduce myself as a writer, market myself as a writer to an audience, go on podcasts as a writer etc. This would build the brand as an identity. - You can copy-paste this last part for all self-employed identities. As a student, it does depend on the teacher or program. There is more freedom there for creativity, but the rules for a student still exist. It helps to take on a certain amount of identity to socialise with the other students, become part of the programs at university, get your homework on time, take it seriously, work hard, and make that hard work part of the identity. For a Bus Driver I was meaning as a passenger. So i'll use that example. As a passenger I have to pay, respect where others sit, respect the rules of the company, and comply with the Bus Drivers' directives. It's a very temporary role and identity I take on for the journey, but its there. When communicating from a position as an employer, it would help to tell people what I am. Then build those things into the identity I have when working with them, and try and uphold those qualities as best I am able. These are conscious identities that benefit the role. For more frivolous identities. I have for example an identity of being contrary to authority, and I keep it because it makes me feel good. It gives me something to do in the daytime. I can at any time, engage in a video/discussion/film/activity about challenging labels, the government, a fantasy authority, a political identity in power, a boss, laws/rules, or a religious authority etc and feel good. Because this is about such a broad concept, and authority can come from almost anything, it is pervasive and it lingers in many things I do. If I remove it, I'll lose a lot of what makes me feel good Without these chosen identities life is hollow. It lacks the intensity of being without any ego whatsoever. I constantly see people on here saying well what now? Well you can choose to take on a role for a while, like a hat or a new pair of pants until you tire of it again.

Your Boss. Your Customer. Your Bus driver. Your Pet. Your Client. Your Patient. Your Friend. Your Social Convention. You. Me. Whatever it is. We take on a role and do it, depending on the rules that have been set to follow. Then we take off the role. Further than this. If i had taken on the role of boyfriend better in certain relationships i'd be with a partner. Same with employee. Same with writer, i'd have a series of books out now. Identity is an incredibly useful tool, that's why we created it. I can't stay in them for very long, but without them, pfft I'm next to useless in modern society. Is modern society an ideal construct no it isn't, but its not for me to tell everyone else that.

It would depend on many things, how does that person best learn? How do they connect their life together? The amazing experience or fearful nightmare sticks in my mind, stands out to me. Its with me for longer, until I realise the abnormality doesn't matter and learn or see what I was meant to from it. I don't do drugs and when I am receptive to experiences, they can happen in the same way. To realise anything, it takes multiple exposures to it. Masks are just pieces of ourselves I choose to use that day for the role I am doing. Until they are no longer required I can't put them down, I am required to be X to fit Y. There is always the want in me to go back to what I know, (or knew to be true) its easier, its comfortable. Only slowly does the old fade away from relevance, and even so I will go back and try to revive it. Over and Over. Until i've seen all I can from it. @Yimpa Gratitude.

Certainly. I can choose to go into a happy state at your comment, and feel gratitude that you are speaking to me and giving me your time. Putting my hands together and giving thanks. I can choose to feel that gratitude throughout my entire body and carry it with me. I can choose to get angry with you, laugh, be excited, fearful, or joyful. I put myself in those states by reacting to that part of myself. There is almost always distance between the observer and what is being observed when there is no or little ego identification, then its up to the observer to assign meaning to those states. Where I am ego identified for example as a son or family member, or where I choose to be, for example for where I live, or some element of my past. I can feel compulsions the same as anyone else, then I get to choose whether to indulge them as they happen. In this I am choosing the collective identity to influence what my state will be. Even in the most intense moments I have a thought arise that I can now choose to react and pick the way I will do so. Will I be sympathetic me, angry me, defensive me, repentant me, caring me? Yes. As you go through these processes more dissolves. To answer your question. There is nothing to dissolve in that state. Nothing individualized exists to dissolve because you exist as everything. Once you can be everything. Look at something you hate/dislike/distance in yourself from what i've said, or someone else has said, can you be that too? Can you accept that as part of yourself? The mirror you are seeing/feeling/experiencing? Because it is you. All of this is. For anyone wanting a fast track. Go find the place you feel most distanced from, the person you feel most repelled from, and accept that as part of yourself. And a warning here, you might feel love, gratitude, joy (cry or relief) or you might feel pain or get hurt in some form, because there might be a good reason you cut yourself off from that aspect of yourself. Maybe accepting the distance or dissolving of that connection is what's needed. Most of the time my mind is completely silent. I don't have what they call a monkey mind rattling off ideas as I once did. I have conditioning still, I have behaviors, patterns, fears etc. I give that the jargon name the superego but its just a name. The space in your mind is you, it's the soup of every experience dissolved.

I am observing myself experiencing the state. I can choose to go into this one or this one. What am I missing?

Everything I type I realise I am typing into a mirror and then delete. Thank you for being that today. Gratitude. No state is above another. Don't get hung up on labels/definitions. Including Unique and Beauty vs Mudane and Ugly. Ultimate reality. Dream etc. I am speaking to myself. Maybe that will help you in some small part as well whoever reads this, if the universe is working as it should. All the best.

Nobody on this forum is asleep either. You are everything you've ever experienced. Experience doesn't sleep. You can experience sleep, ignorance, split personalities, LARGE ME, SMALL ME, and self-imposed definitions of sleeping or waking etc. Maybe stop using the word dream so much, if you want to really shake perceptions up. Like 'watching a film', its getting ingrained into the dialogue at the expense of insight.

Use the guilt to remind yourself that you'll be there for others when they need you. Especially when they are alone. Could be the greatest and most painful gift you've ever had. Every single person reading this has ignored others at some point. Most of any age reading it have lost someone, and most reading it will remember a time they wish they could have done something differently, better, been more attentive or kinder etc. I wouldn't let the guilt go myself until I was sure the reason for it was 100% integrated into my life. As for him, he's in no pain anymore, he's everything that ever was or is. So you just told him, because you read and felt the words. Now you can show yourself in your actions. Take care of yourself.

Just keep going until you have a state that time/space/distance/life doesn't exist. You get so big that the concept of size doesn't exist. You are that and this, everything in between. Also the body is so HEAVY :D. Don't seek this out. Just be open/receptive to it. Set an intent and carry on with your spiritual practice, meditation, life, dream analysis, shamanism, whatever it is that brought you here. Same for divine love. Same for being incredibly small. Nothing I can write here will ever replace or even replicate a small glimpse of those states.

I am whatever I/We focus on. Whatever I/We experience. Whatever I/We decide life is currently.

Unless it's built into the foundation of what we do day to day, curiosity won't be there. Maybe I can identify as a curious person again for a while. It won't last more than a month at most, it never does for me. I can put the reasons down, get them clear in my mind, and even using old NLP tricks I can't get those reasons to stick more than a month. Because there is just this .... But maybe a month is enough for all of us? Now and again. The other option is to have a collective structure where curiosity was taught as a virtue, in how people approached life. OR somehow stop people jumping to denounce any slightly off-script idea or concept.