BlueOak

A human is a farmer, a producer. This is the fundamental nature of humans that non-farmers and consumers cannot come to terms with. A non-farmer or consumer rejects what they are. They reject what they were born to do. They reject the biology they were born with. Non-Farmers are an identity crisis in disguise. Let me make a case for my own identity because I feel it challenged in some way, so I can make myself feel better because I am reflecting on an uncomfortable fact of my own life, but conversely I will resist realizing that because it is easier to demonize the other and rationalize they are incorrect because they have a different belief system. (Everyone does this don't feel bad). I'll do it again: Traditionalism A human is born to socially adapt. That is the fundamental nature of the species that traditionalists cannot come to terms with. Traditionalism is an identity crisis in disguise. Again? A human is born to build structures and order. That is the fundamental nature of the species that progressives cannot come to terms with. Progressivism is an identity crisis in disguise. Another? A human has a deeply spiritual connection. That is the fundamental nature of existence that atheists cannot come to terms with. Aethism is an identity crisis in disguise. And to finish. A human is a physical creation. That is the fundamental nature of existence that spiritual people cannot come to terms with. Spiritual people are an identity crisis in disguise. I could expand these into several lines, paragraphs, or an entire thesis on identities, so don't bother picking them apart too much, it won't go anywhere. Existence is fluid. Its whatever you make it.

Are you arguing these colonizers didn't hate the other? Or that sometimes fighting/hating/fracturing is understandable? It's always understandable, I can look at anyone's point of view with enough time and understand it. You can only kill someone and be okay with that if you hate them or are detached enough from them to do so. The people in power hating the other is the point of the thread (although it can work both ways), in the analogy of a tribe in the Amazon vs an industrialized nation, that power would very much be with the industrialized people. Fighting has its place, I am stubborn myself and grew up fighting to survive, but I understand the limits of that and also understand things don't function that way, they only break. If the break is temporary, it can lead to a better outcome, if the break is permanent or long-term, it only leads to suffering.

Part of Stage Green you would benefit from integrating is: Inconveniencing people is a requirement for change. Moreover, the green part of me would say that sometimes you have to break things to set them correctly, which will inconvenience people. Sorry to be direct with an ego shot. I could talk around the subject, but it's easier this way. Yes, just breaking things or causing a scene with no plan is simple and dumb, but it's a requirement of the process, and to remind people or focus them. Obviously, these people have no plan past that, and we can all highlight the flaw in that thinking. Nothing ever shifts much without some inconvenience, and we can be strategic and pick and choose. Also, you'll notice if people don't see something demonstrable then they don't remember it happened. People can, for example, bring what Trump or Biden did in a list all they like, but others won't remember a list, they'll remember a gesture.

You can score points socially, politically, financially, etc by identifying an enemy that doesn't vote or has no power and saying they are the bad guys. In a right-wing world, this is just low-hanging fruit. Almost every political party is a right-wing party now, before anyone rushes to defend their favorites. Let's all hate the 'other' is the motto, and fracture ourselves as much as possible. That's always ended well.

This argument is flawed but also pushes people into yellow thinking so it is necessary. People live in an imperfect world. It is a fantasy to think they can operate otherwise for them and for you. This gradually means people try to operate within the world rather than outside of it, but they will still be flying the 747's, and most people will understandably still lack the conviction to completely bypass Amazon for example. However it will increase their effectiveness when they work within the world rather than outside of it.

Activism achieves nothing without overt display. It achieves little with overt display but something is better than nothing.

Aliens and UFO's are not a written policy that people are trying to implement. This is a plan or policy I can point to in plain view. If I were to write a list of what I wanted, and then gave money to someone to get it and have several of my team work with them, My goal would not be a theory no, it would be a goal. They've already achieved certain things, like overturning Roe vs Wade for example, and stacking the Supreme Court. The theories can be formed for how much more they will get. Obviously, if the team partly responsible for Project 2025 is in office, more of this will be implemented.

Not really mobilizing people? When the entire populist left has been gutted and suppressed for two decades? Protest vilified and speech deleted. When they do mobilize, this kind of reply happens. Most are not active anymore, you can tell because they are not speaking, or being allowed to. The only ones left are stubborn enough to still reply, I guess when I get tired again or you guys get tired of hearing a view left of yours, there'll just be a complete vacuum to blame. What happened to the populism on the left? Well, it either went unconscious or went to the right. I can't type a vaguely populist left reply anywhere but here, it gets deleted all the time. Nothing ever goes away. It just goes somewhere else. I wish I could say I was angry with this characterization, but that all past over 10 years ago. Now, oh well same old same old. Blame the left that doesn't exist anymore for not being allowed to. How do I respond to that?

What about it is a theory? The only theory here is whether he will throw them under the bus if it suits him. Hint: He will.

Website: https://www.project2025.org/ There is no theory about it, its a manifesto: https://www.project2025.org/policy/ Wanting a revolution: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583 These people put a lot of money into trump, and his team is working closely with them: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/05/trump-project-2025-heritage-foundation This is all factual, no theory is involved, and I haven't even offered an opinion in this post for you to counter to make it as neutral as possible.

Law and Order. Support the courts in any way you can. The Republicans have given up the courts so they can arrange a dictatorship, so use that space. Legal challenges to different things the Republicans do on mass, arranging it, fostering awareness of the space they've left you (which is a big one), It goes both ways you see. The Republicans complain that the dems use the courts against them because, at the same time, they are pulling back from the courts and the law, and operating outside of it. So, okay, use it. In America, the liberals are essentially becoming what the English conservatives used to be. When I was younger (mid 40's now) the conservatives used to be the party of law and order, they would preserve, they would point out how the fringes were damaging the country, eroding what it stood for etc. Yes they would also suck up to corporations and pay them at the expense of the people. Now that's your role. I used to resist this because I realised the right had taken the role of the rebel, but the rebel is also a force for instability, it creates chaos, fracturing and splintering the country, breaking things apart. Let me tell you, that was a hard place to live most of my life, it was painful and isolating. Ultimately, they need to mature, as I did (but this goes both ways). Others will accept what the right are saying for what it is at some point, not agree, but they will frame it within the existing structure and they will no longer be rebels. This is a maturity that needs to be formed by all involved. But they'll get a label like Leo gives me above, immature or not a responsible adult. Right. Well, maybe he should try having 70% of what he says deleted off mainstream media, while at the same time supposedly trying to even open a dialogue with it? No, it doesn't work, but my point is at least the centrists and the leftists have a dynamic, even if they push each other in different directions. The right is just off doing its own thing somewhere, like the kid who has stormed off. I know my place in politics, it's to be suppressed and occasionally I make a point that gets through once in a blue moon, because I represent a part of society that has been completely cut off from the collective psyche, so I see the instability or disability this brings to society as a whole.

Centrists hate the right. Gives them something to whine about. Centrists hate the left. Gives them something to whine about Leftists hate the right, the center... Rightists hate the left, the center... Come on Leo. Everyone's got a reason, address it rather than belittle people or suppress them and you'll bring the perspectives closer rather than splinter them, your better than that.

We are similar ages, and I've had similar thoughts/feelings. Part of me wants to say you seem to need validation from others for your own internal world, like you've been splintered or cracked open. I see the same from my brother a lot. At one time, I was the same. Part of me wants to say that it is understandable to seek some sort of social support like this when you are uncertain of something related to other people, and I certainly do the same thing. I still feel like the connection of someone reaffirming a belief is nice once in a while. So I decided to tell you what both parts of me wanted to say. To offer a balance. The other was a practical notion: Can you spice up your sex life with your partner? Don't assume anything, ask. Approach the topic with some maturity, let her know you want to try new things to keep it interesting, meet her halfway, and give her the same opportunity to ask. I understand that it won't be the same as sleeping with an entirely different partner, but you can make it very different, or buy a few books on the topic and have a look at them. When she feels secure that you are not going to cheat on her, if you've reached that kind of place in the relationship where you can be totally honest with her, you can talk about the reasoning behind these sorts of thoughts. It might bring up some understandable anxiety on her part, but you can assure her that's why you've come to her with these feelings, seeking different sexual experiences with her. But if you don't ask you'll never know. Because the experience is what you'll remember. Not whether the girl had blonde hair, black hair, blue eyes, or green eyes, so if I can be blunt aim for that rather than just a different body. As for anyone telling you sex isn't something you should think about, the entirety of reality is about fertility, it's a womb of constant creation we are sitting in, and the drive for sex is the most natural and spiritual thing 'in the world'. Birth, death, and rebirth are worldly alchemy, and they require sex as a fundamental part of them, so it's on everyone and everything's mind here.

Like I thought, there are not many examples! Hopefully this will help someone as my synchronicity for the day. Guard your peace where you can find It, I've been trying to do that for a long time in different areas of my life.

Can you help me identify five or so status quo authority figures who are having a beneficial impact on their communities, jobs, industries, countries, or whatever they are engaged in, from any facet of life? I am not, I repeat, not looking for a radical or rebellious figure. If the man or woman is trying to change the status quo, or make alterations to society, their industry or walk of life, that's not the example I am seeking, I can locate those all day, every day, I am drawn to them and they are repeatedly put in my face to see. So boring is fine. Normal is fine. Everyday man is fine. Whatever you've come across personally, I need to balance out some examples of this in my own reality for reference points, because I see so few highlighted anywhere. All of life is completely skewed to show us the opposite. Thanks for any help. *Unsure which forum to post this in, feel free to shift it if necessary, I thought this was the most neutral to place it.

Yes, but its worse than that. Picture a clever version of Trump running, more sociopathic and less narcissistic. OR more realistically, an ideologue. Say, a Christian nationalist which is perfectly possible in the current climate, or if someone prefers an idealistic socialist without morals, who is more radical and less status quo, who would reform quickly rather than slowly. The court has ruled anything can be done by that man or woman, that should scare the hell out of everyone whichever political denomination. Whatever country they are in they should be terrified, as it added another dictator to the world stage who has different goals to the BRICS dictators. To everyone: I watch the conditions for WW3 being continually set up to a round of applause, and I don't get it, it's like people can only see the direct moment in front of them and the immediate short-term gain or loss. This is Gen Z's influence in a nutshell, unable to concentrate for more than 5 minutes on anything like a goldfish. The courts are a requirement for world peace and stability. Institutions, treaties, diplomacy, and international agreements keep the world from being a fiery, dusty bowl.

Politicians continually attack anything that doesn't cost them votes, anything that can be framed as the enemy. The further right a party is the more they will do this. So the question you are asking is, does banning porn cost the rightwing of America more votes than it gains them? In the west at least, the right generally likes sex, but likes to pretend it's taboo. That's a whole other psychological rabbit hole of kinks that I am not going to walk you through, but it's probably enough information for you to begin to deduce. I think they will continually label sexuality as dirty or taboo topics because it gains them more than it loses. On the macro, they are trying to increase the birthrate, so conception will definitely be under threat, but banning porn outright no, they'll just increasingly regulate it because it plays well with the base. *Hint the dems are a center-right party also, so you'll see some of this behavior with them, and if the Christian nationalists continue to turn America more theocratic all bets are off.

That's an interesting perspective that could be true. I think the lib dem's party leader spent a lot of the campaign talking about himself however, using his identity as the reason to vote for the Lib Dems. This is a common theme in some of the smaller parties in Ireland and Wales also. There still needs to be demonstrable reason to vote for them next time around, beyond just: The government is doing badly. The SNP's promotional material focused a great deal on their accomplishments as a selling point. If you can demonstrate what these reasons are to the electorate, then you can give people an associated reason to vote for them in the future and build on that. I honestly think labor will struggle with their identity in the coming years unless the conservatives shift further right to eat up the reform vote which is possible. Then we'll have a centrist party (labor) vs a far-right party, if the conservatives fight again for the center ground, it could collapse labor's identity entirely. 'We are not them' only works once. Though you will hear, that undoing 15 years of X or Y takes time too as an excuse. On the lib dems specifically, I will say they are much more strategic than reform is, they lock down the seats they do get, whereas reform spreads itself way too thin, perhaps reform had to do that this time around to see where they were strongest.

Electricity runs at a counterpolarity to life's natural energies, and more importantly, Earth can only support certain things here that fit into its current physical, social, and mental dynamics. It/You will always create a limit when something cannot. When you reach this limit in too many areas of life, its the point people often seek elsewhere to incarnate. It is most easily seen when a spiritual concept gradually becomes grounded and slowly stripped away to its practical uses, the more integrated it becomes into the planetary consciousness. Such as some people are attempting to do here in real-time in this conversation. OR I could just point you at the speed sign on your road outside the house, and say look, this is an imposed limit like any other. But for electrical devices, this would be all the cell phone and electrical pollution bouncing around outside the visual spectrum. Daniel Winter once spoke on this, as have others, but you'll need to search for that yourself or someone similar. I once heard him speak that he knew of two other ways to power things with a better polarity over regular electricity, and that was over a decade ago. Polarity might be the wrong word, it's been a long time since I studied any of Daniel winter's material, because it's not very grounded, and filtering the usable material takes time. He's a kind man to talk to if you ever get time however: https://www.youtube.com/@DanWinterFractalField https://www.fractalfield.com/onlinebook/ @OBEler Do you have any internal intuition to call on: If so, read this and ask if I'm being truthful (hint I always am to the best of my ability) I have personally shut down computer systems accidently and frequently with a press of the screen, when I ran too much kundalini through my own body. Which was hilarious at work when I used to be at a dead-end job shutting down tills. You'll physically feel light pain when touching metal, many people have said the same and they stop wearing jewelry. Unless you put the work in to move energy through your body/mind, and get in a clean environment and bodily state free of electrical/phone, chemical/mental pollution, you'll never know. It may just be that reality becomes more malleable in more open or flow states of consciousness, and so if we install an intricate and ritual (patterned) belief system that this is happening, then it will. I could do it again over six months, maybe less this time. It was fun till I blew out my Crown Chakra in an argument, that hurt like hell.

I was going to vote for Rejoin EU because every vote for them would be a significant increase in their numbers. I live in a conservative area where nothing ever shifts; which is both good and bad at times, because it is a very stable area here. I ended up not going in. When many of my preferences are so far out of alignment with the mainstream (or just suppressed entirely), voting isn't usually in my interest. A non-vote being counted in that case is preferable. If there was a chance the conservatives here would be unseated I might think differently. For example, in the local elections earlier in the year, Independents were the only group to rival the conservatives in my area, and they got pretty close when counted as a collective; the conservatives still got a majority but not a big one. I see all the major parties as centrists or right-wingers, and reform as extreme right. For me, there isn't much in it. Labor generally serves the top 20%, and conservatives the top 5–10%. The Greens always seemed very centered, with an environmental bias (which is something all parties need), and the Lib Dems I honestly don't know what they stand for these days. That's not a dig at them, but in my perspective, they didn't carve out an identity I could point to. I think getting the message out about what each party and candidate stands for is something ALL of them fail at these days, because most fight over the center ground, and in local elections here for the council, many barely bother to write more than a line. 20 years ago I would have called the Lib Dems the student party or the party for the youth. These days, I have no idea. As for which is the most conscious? If they don't have a strong environmental agenda they have no viable long term strategy. So I would say Green, and if there was even a small chance a Green candidate could win here I'd probably vote that way. What is the extreme left? If leo is on the extreme left, where am I off the cliff? I always find these analogies fun, so don't take that too seriously, for me he's more center-left, with a heavily liberal bias and a heavy anti-socialist bias, but more in reality than my innate idealism. BTW idealism is desperately needed right about now, in culture and art most of all. Whereas I have an anti-authoritarian bias (which I've worked on a lot) and a lesser bias toward the underdog.

More people in England hate drama, and mock ourselves, not taking things too seriously. Not all, obviously, but more of us. We don't have the time for drama queens. More people in America, Russia, etc love drama—again, not all, but enough to make it effective. Americans and Russians especially take themselves more seriously than we do. I sympathize, as I often do the same. If the drama didn't hook their populations, it wouldn't, and it wouldn't get the air time it does. If the mockery here didn't work, we wouldn't do it. You wouldn't have picked up on Trump's words for example, and considered them important; the words would be fluff. The actions might still be important to us, but nobody here would give a damn what he said beyond a headline or two. I would mock Trump a lot if he were my leader and not be able to take him seriously, (many of us did) and I hear the same about Biden often spoken about on the train, for example, just the other day. So you understand it's not a right or left thing. It's a difference in the populations. Certainly, we've got plenty of flaws here, and maybe we take the mockery of systems and authority too far at times, but it gets us through the tough times. I understand I may trigger people to say: But this or that was important, I understand it was to you, so please understand you'll just be highlighting the difference in people's temperament. The American dream, as seen by some average English people, although the comedian knows exactly what he's doing. We mock ourselves, so yes we would (and do) mock Trump relentlessly.

@Keryo Koffa Certainly, we are constantly experiencing ourselves. Awareness can be full-bodied for example, and entirely emotional, or it can be a mental construct, or both. The mirror definition works for our minds, but the experiential definition works better when describing our emotions. What mood you are in right now is tailoring the experience you are having. I was touching on two difficult concepts, and also commenting on the way you both played out this masculine-feminine, logic-emotion discussion in the thread to arrive at a balance point. Here was my own difficulty or hesitation when I considered it. All is universal mind: Yes. We often say this. But Mind is our concept. Universal mind would also mean universal emotion. Universal everything. Psyche is a more encompassing word to use in that case. The other is the re-enforcing of gender identity in society at the moment, and I wanted to avoid falling into that trap too far when I spoke on it, as it better plays out in the society forum. Spirituality as a whole once encouraged the unification of genders, which didn't play out as favorably across all the social dynamics we have. So when I say dissolving emotion and intellect together, I mean removing unnecessary distinctions where we can when speaking the experience of ourselves, seen between emotion/intellect which work together in a pattern to create reality. Which I think was probably the original intent of spiritual people in years gone by, which started the cascade of identity problems some experience today by taking it too literally. *Some spiritual people speak about detachment from emotions so they are no longer influenced by them, but that seems to me like cutting off your arms so you can walk more easily.

I would draw you both a knot where two heads of a kundalini snake rose up together, and showed you the experience of a dance at the same time. At one side of it, I would have emotion, the other intellect, or the masculine and feminine, and together they would mirror the pattern of infinity you are at the moment. Personally I would dissolve the distinction further, but that's just my own ego talking.

Plenty of evidence Bobby we repeatedly discussed it. You may not like it, but I keep presenting it. Let's not go around it again here else we'll derail the American's political thread, the Ukraine thread is still active again for that if we want another round. Thank god NATO has restraint. If England was far right at the moment our troops would be in Ukraine and our assassins active in Russia taking people out, just like Russia does. Russia has threatened to nuke us repeatedly, threatened our monarchy, and our people, killed people on our soil with assassins, and generally tried to provoke a rise out of us every chance it gets. If Europe takes security into its own hands, troops would already be in Ukraine. America isn't the most hawkish, because as you say many Trump's supporters, and many on the left wing want to stop aid. Russia isn't much of a threat to America anymore, they are more concerned about China. So America, the collective country is nowhere near as pro-Ukraine as Eastern Europe, Poland, the Baltics, England, France, Finland etc. Without America stabilizing the response, some countries would already be in Ukraine. Sure America don't want Russia to win, because Europe is their main trading partner, and if Europe starts to either break down or go into a war footing, America looses money. So please understand what you are asking for. Without NATO there isn't one pole of power, or two poles, many powerful countries would be active and maintaining a larger military, which is not a step toward world peace. Anyway let's take this to the Ukraine thread if you want to go further.