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***If extreme libertarians had their way. The left can be just as strict with the border as the right. @Leo Gura

True, but I wouldn't equate structured and disciplined armed forces with a gang. This is the entire problem and why the situation came about. @Leo Gura Gangs tend to come about where there is chaos, a lack, or a power vacuum to be filled, and they're the only authority in it. In many countries, this is because the government or country doesn't control drugs, smuggling, prostitution, or lack control over an area. While people are still buying these things or living in a region, a gang forms as the authority controlling it. In more war-torn regions, the gang forms because there is no authority at all, that's Hamas. The biggest problem is that civil authorities were not properly installed and supported in Palestine, as they'd be responsible for everything occurring in the territories, not some nebulous association with all Palestinians, because Israel then focuses on all Palestinians rather than a responsible civil authority or government. When the armed forces lack discipline and restraint, yes, it can devolve into a gang mentality. The IDF has shown a lot during this conflict that it lacks these. In the armed forces, it's a struggle between people's worst instincts and restraint or training, which officers are trained to keep in check.

@royce Thanks for sharing your view. I agree Russia, Iran, and the Syrian government won in Syria for the most part, though the devastation was horrific. I'll agree that these countries with valuable exports and a lot of money exert pressure on bigger countries, but the reason people don't understand how they can move a huge country like America to do what they want, is that America wants to do this as well. If they didn't want to help or keep Iran pinned and their hands out of their fuel suppliers, Israel and Saudi Arabia wouldn't be able to budge America to do anything, the size difference and geographic distance would make it impossible.

In England we have tended toward socialism in hard times. We've been conservative for 14 years, so its possible. However, for me personally, its been nearly twenty years of recession already, since 2008 and the bank crash at the very least, we also had covid and Brexit, but there were a few years before that as well leading to the banking crash. Where we are at now is past conservatism and closer to fascism, the reform party is trying to supplant the conservatives here with a further right government as an example. Apologies I should checkout people's profiles more, I think it was your name that threw me off and the choice of avatar.

You're not expanding, why you disagree? Israel and Saudi Arabia are both allies of the west, though Saudi Arabia has wavered in recent years because they didn't get unrestricted weapon shipments to keep bombing Yemen into nothing (that and Russian OPEC pressure). Both don't like Iran very much, and both get weapons from the west. This is no accident. Iran tries to exert influence over countries like Yemen through religion, cultural influence, proxy forces, and weapons. America tries to exert influence through money, military bases, and weapons. It should be no surprise why this is the case:

Islam is a religion Hamas is a gang of young men raised in violence, given a gun and told to shoot people.

Why is this not accurate, its an obvious strategic pattern repeated three times. What is your counter argument? Are you arguing that countries don't constantly try to push their influence outward, and other countries don't constantly push back? Or are you saying NATO isn't holding Russia in Ukraine, China in Taiwan and Iran in Israel? If China takes Taiwan, they own trillions of dollars of global trade routes through those waters, that's going to increase the price of everything you own from insurance costs, if you can get things like semi conductors for any technology at all through instability and/or tolls. They would have launching paths to the disputed Japanese Senkaku islands, and the many other countries disputed islands to their south east they are already trying to take over. It fuels their expansionist policies generally; if needed, I can retrace these expansions for you and the regions China have invaded. Taiwan gives them clear access to numerous Southeast Asian countries waters, which they've decided to try to steal. America would have to arm 15 countries to maintain their presence and allies there, rather than one, Taiwan. If I need to run a history recap of why America won't allow another huge naval buildup in eastern Asia by a hostile power to threaten global trade and its western influence, then I can. Just read the history of WW2 or the lead up to it, then add in a globalized world. We've already discussed Israel's military presence, how America maintains a balance on Iran and its many proxies above, and also touched on Russia slightly. If Russia needs further highlighting, talking about the black sea expansion Russia was trying, the 8 attacks on former USSR countries, or the takeover of its gas connections, I can certain retread old ground on these things and others.

Your and my entire country got us into this, mine is currently conservative. These parties are two sides of the same coin, one governmental whole. You can't break that apart and achieve any effective change to the whole by not owning all of it as you say. The problem is structural, and its in people, the people themselves. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 Both your parties were rightwing in 2020, I can only imagine what they will all look like after this is calculated in this year, mine won't be much better with our so called 'left' under starmer. There is not a practical leftwing in America bar a few voices, and barely any in England . You can, as demonstrated by all this, be liberal and right-wing. The liberals biggest fault is that its all about how things look, or sound. Which is useful for keeping people from fighting each other, or disruptions from occurring, but as you can see when they are so far right, they are the ones fueling the wars, the ideology becomes horrific in its suppression of criticism (calls for peace), and shows another aspect of liberalism's dark side. And by the way if you didn't see everyone in America, average joe people included, ravenous to supply Israel with mountains of weapons, I can certainly pull hundreds of videos for you.

The level of equipment being sent is in preparation for a regional war. Not guaranteed but i'd be happily astounded if that wasn't the case now.

For sending unlimited weapons and not caring how they are used. For shielding Israel from the results of their actions. Both done with almost no political opposition to speak of, because there is no political opposition to rightwing actions. The options are: weapons, or more weapons, and do you need our troops? Good thing everyone 'owned the libs', demonized socialists, and mocked every libertarian idea . When a politician actually spoke up, Ilhan Omar, what did America do to her, kicked her off the foreign affairs committee. That's why. We create our own futures. The Hamas gang helped create theirs, and we, Israel, the USA and the UK have chosen to create ours however that comes at us. Yes. The level of how much America jumps when Israel says so surprised even me. Britain approved airstrikes on Yemen without even consulting parliament; they told them after the fact. That's collectively, Trump, my leaders, your leaders, every politician with any clout. Then there is Biden who is a Zionist, so he's not exactly held captive, he's doing what he believes in. While everyone else does what they think will earn them money, and keep them in power or get them elected.

I can't even get people onto the political compass as a way of reasoning, getting them out of a simple right/left dynamic is all but impossible. I've come to realise the duality is too well represented by it, until recent times where the left dropped off completely, the system on a meta level is still maintained even without half or more of it functioning within the system, which should demonstrate its durability. The momentum is also useful for governance, and while individuals are still more important than groups, a single individual, personality, and face is enough for people. This fits the dual system very well: Good and bad, right and wrong etc The way our minds work, an individual in mind is easier to remember and relate to than a group, or even symbol. That's the crux. How do you get people to relate to a group or (many groups/people at once) more than they do a single individual? *How do you get people to see everything as a functioning whole, not a separated right left dynamic?

This is exaggerated, but this its what's happening in Europe with the global isolationist me me me trend. Ditto Britain and the world, i'm not pointing the finger at America, the whole world is almost in the same trend. Belarus has said similar things repeatedly so its not even a western or eastern thing.

I am speaking in past tense, of course, because Israel has gone so far right; they have moved into ethnic cleansing and genocide territory. It'll take a few more decades of right wing think tanks to fully brainwash the American public into accepting those as realities, though, to be fair we are most of the way there now if we look at the parties and population. The west has agreements with oil producing nations, we maintain the status quo and get deals on oil. We get to put our companies there, taking the oil out and the vast, complicated supply chains it takes to process and export it that need to be constantly in operation, so it doesn't back up and close the sites down. More importantly, because of how countries stupidly do their foreign policy, we stop other countries like Iran gaining power over the region, and its exports. - Zero Sum thinking. This stability through not having destructive wars or piracy, for example, is a snippet of how international trade works, you can look at all the routes and the Trillions up Trillions of dollars in the global economy maintained by those largely accessible routes. We work as a globalized system, this allows countries or regions to specialize and support each other, which lowers prices and increases our quality of life. Not just in terms of product prices or fuel prices, food, or energy bills but also with things like recycling waste and giving it to people who can better use it. The development of increasingly sophisticated technologies is only possible by drawing on international expertise, through global cooperation, and the general maintenance of our planet to prevent it from becoming a dustbowl. By asking me what do we get out of it, you are showing the isolationist trend in American Righting politics. Which utterly fails to understand how the world actually works, and has the Brexit attitude that we are better off doing it ourselves. Its shortsightedness, as England found out the hard way, it didn't help at all. If trade and your economic well being, quality of life etc is not enough to sway you, I'll answer: How about not having WW3? If Russia, China, and Iran are not held in place by these three countries/regions, Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel, backed by NATO and the west, then we have other countries fighting them instead. Like Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics vs Russia. Like Japan and South Korea vs China and North Korea. Like Saudi Arabia and Iran etc. People are always looking to push their spheres of influence outward, because people are not robotic creations that respect lines on maps, be it cultural, economic, religious or military influence.

1) Diplomacy or war. Pick one. Things don't happen 'just because', people either talk, negotiate, and reach an agreement or they fight. 2) There is no point in being angry at politicians for ensuring their job security and job rewards. They always will, it's like yelling at the wind. If you don't want money to motivate politicians, advocate for taking it out of politics. If we don't want Putin using fear/war as a way to stay in power, that needs to get out of Russian politics. Oh yes poor Putin, his 8th war against the evil west? Oh wait, no, they were against former USSR border states. Perhaps the decades, no centuries,, where Eastern Europe has threatened, meddled in Russian elections, and continuously invaded it? Oh wait, no that was Russia too. Hmm, let me think. I know, perhaps because there are no individual countries at all, and you are right this NATO country keeps expanding. No wait, these countries join NATO, a defensive alliance, so that isn't it. I wonder why that could be, let's think. Could it be that Russia creates the cycle it doesn't want with its own aggressive expansionist attitude? That it is constantly demonizing that which it isn't? So much so it needs to completely absorb its neighbors into an amorphous, oversized blob to desperately control everything around it out of fear? It says it's multicultural while doing everything it can to promote two cities at the expense of the cultures it absorbs. No surely not, Russia couldn't have any part in what happens to Russia right? I was like that at 20. I sat there and blamed the world for my actions. I didn't have any responsibility, what could I have possibly done to get myself into my own situation? I was the victim, right, yeah. It was this outside evil that I was fighting. I also drank a lot, like Russians do, to forget my own problems and further absolve myself of any responsibility to change who or what I was. A fearful man who needed to control every aspect of his existence. - Russia. If you are expecting me to now defend the two right-wing parties in America and their crazy fascist alignments toward perpetual war, for example, you are talking to the wrong person. They helped build the worldwide collective fear we now all stew in and suffer from? Sure. I'd go further than what you are talking about, America, like Putin, wanted to make the world America. Its motivation was greed, not so much fear. Politicians in America don't have long terms, so they don't create situations to keep themselves in power, they create situations to make themselves money instead. Something the fascists in America want to start having instead is longer terms. Then an American president might act more as Putin does, creating situations (fear of the other) to keep themselves individually in control of that fear. 3) Holding Russia in Ukraine, keeps Putin, an uncertain leader acting out of fear with a need to control everything, in a certain place. It's really simple.

Israel holds Iran in check and allows America to project power, to secure oil and trade routes through the area. It's a similar strategy with Taiwan in China and Russia in Ukraine. This takes uncertain situations caused by expansionist authoritarian powers and creates certain outcomes. Russia and China in particular, have been land grabbing for decades, going for trade routes, financial centers, ports.. Iran to a lesser extent, because it is a smaller power works through proxies, to create dominion over the Middle East (oil) and to position their influence in nearby regions such as eastern Africa where possible. Everyone does what they can to push their influence outward, because we are playing zero-sum games. So your question is, why does humanity play zero-sum games? Because we the people, are in a survival, fight/flight/freeze state most of the time. You can ask why, generational trauma spreads into education, action, thought, design/execution, etc. Each war adds another layer of it. It's a level of consciousness, some people know what I am telling you but have vast fortunes because humanity is perpetually reasoning and procreating itself from a survival mentality and relying on what they provide. Media - Weapons - Fuel - Construction - Medicines - Shipping - Politicians - etc Like a drug dealer, he keeps his clients coming back for more. They don't see or don't know they are what they are causing, and they are experiencing what they are causing. It's a horrific state of unconsciousness that humanity has entered into.

Diplomacy is a more effective tool than a weapon, but with diplomacy the result is not 'your or my way', its whatever can be agreed. Putin has normalized nukes use as an open threat now, which has weakened some of the fear associated with them. The unspoken fear of a nuke was more effective than a threat repeated 20 times but never acted upon.

The right: Cause the wars. Cook the planet, dry it up, and weaken its food supply. Cause mass migration by the above actions, and a vast economic disparity by me me me attitudes. Overfill us with guns globally. Cause all the tension between cultures and races. Fight wars against drugs, rather than decriminalize their intake (at a bare minimum) to get at the people with the real power/money. They elevate criminal kingpins by making those buying their product HATE the police, and they actively work against the police because they are the target of their policies. Criminalizing everything is a childish way of dealing with a complicated, difficult problem, and my own country is completely backward on every drug policy it has, leading to gangs and other authorities ruling over drugs and communities. Things like people getting records for often nothing but harming themselves, and getting institutionalized. I come from a family whose brother has been hooked on drugs since he was 13/14 and now he's 40. The right hates immigration and the problems it's caused. They use it as a political tool all the time, while still causing it, and requiring it for their economic numbers. They hate the social problems they pour fuel over to burn them twice as bright, rather than address them with meaningful leftwing policies The right has been in power in America and the UK for example, for longer than I can remember, what's it been 14 years here in the UK now? We still blame the left, for what, being ineffectual? Non existent? America's parties have been right-wing most of my lifetime. They grade everything by economic output, there is much more to life, and I am speaking as someone below the poverty line who struggles financially. None of this talks about countries aging populations, or the requirement of younger labor. Nor the corruption corporations have on larger contracts, which means we never get integrated with large high-speed transport systems, which would facilitate movement for work without resettlement. Brexit and the anti-immigration push, were among the second biggest disasters in my life, after the banking corruption causing a crisis in 2008, which we never totally recovered from because people are more than a number on a sheet. That betrayal in 2008 and lack of trust/justice stayed with people. Brexit has only made everything in our day-to-day life worse, as with protecting banks from their own bad practices. Note: For Americans, both parties are the right. This is not an I hate X political party post. In context, I want to emigrate from Britain and have done so for a lot of years now, as things get worse here and people get more and more inward-focused its not going to get better. Killing globalism is going to undo the economic benefits everyone is talking about in this video, it is doing with the BRICS vs NATO crises going on worldwide. Countries, certainly the UK cannot do everything themselves and remain competitive, nor can Sweden. Killing immigration means your younger generations are going to be carrying more older people on their backs, and they can't do all the jobs.

For anyone who likes logically working through things. I found this little known gem very useful.

Be a student always. This attracts a teacher. Be open to every experience in life being spiritual, and everything in life can be a spiritual teacher. The spiritual teacher you are looking for could be the guy at the grocery store working the 9-5, because its all you, lining up with the experiences you need to have or are attracted to. Also practically look up spiritual groups in your area and attend a few. I really miss the spiritual group I used to be a part of locally, and the store it was in.

>>> have a possibility with Trump to get Israel back on its knees You are quoting the wrong person at the start, they were Bobby's words I was replying to, mixed with my own, as a result I am not sure who your question is directed to. I'll guess: Will Trump drop out of NATO? I don't think it will be as dramatic as that, he's said he wants to get out of NATO. I think it'd be more a case of pulling back from NATO gradually in alignment with the authoritarian powers. That's what his policies are isolationism, that's what his base wants. He is much more sympathetic to Putin, and Russia as a whole. I think we agree there. That's why in Europe we are making plans to fund Ukraine and fight Russia if they lose without America's help. I hope that moment doesn't come but it seems likely with how badly Biden is handling his own voting base, and the war in Palestine. My point was the opposite to what you are making on Israel, I said Trump would be more PRO giving them weapons and assistance, and the likelihood of a regional war would increase as a result.

One man wielding this much power is what's stupid, the entire governing apparatus and narcissism of it all is broken beyond belief. Now people propose to make the problem worse, by having that one man in power longer. Then all the successes and failures of either the country or sometimes the entire planet combined get tacked on to his name, it's so dumbed down. As opposed to having a diverse, (yes I know many of you are trained to hate that word), collection of viewpoints in a ruling council where the collective can find some balance. You have a single individual mind, that vastly unbalances every area of society; it doesn't represent itself adequately, and wastes all its energy suppressing or removing parts of itself that are in direct opposition to its values. No, I don't mean democratic and republican, I mean everything that isn't Democrat and Republican, the entire rest of creation, and every possibility in it. My bias, your bias, Donald Trump's bias, cannot adequately represent tens or hundreds of millions of people in any meaningful or useful way. Making a president replaced, as you say, by something behind the scenes that tries to spread out that top-level institutional governance to a certain degree. Instead of bringing that into plain view, and setting it up in the best way possible at the top of the increasingly small pyramid that the human race operates in and fights to maintain, Someone will say below we have a parliament, a senate, or a house. Yes you do, increasingly undermined, but you do, and that helps when it's empowered, not whipped along two-party lines. When it's allowed to operate with many viewpoints, it can represent many people. Ultimately, it's a house with the same problem I am describing. One person represents millions from each region. I would understand if it were a speaker representing a council, but no, its a speaker representing often personal ego, ambition, or goals.

So the pros of this, I found, were a way to reflect on your values/priorities based on whether other life experiences are related to those values, in ways you might not have otherwise realized. Like he did, I found the value I was focusing on that I thought I was missing most (socializing), ranked quite low when linked to my other values. The cons are, that it doesn't push your comfort zone. Which is a big deal when making plans, he does say that at the start to be fair. This is a way to reflect. Every one of my favorite memories involved people being there to share in the experience, or better yet, helping create it, yet socializing is only somewhat linked to any other values/priorities I have. So this to me demonstrates the flaw of the method, in helping me push out of my comfort zone to create more socialization priorities. However, in seeing this in front of me, I noticed that too, so it did work inversely to show me how underdeveloped the social side of life has been. Other than that, it reinforced what I already knew about myself.

I can. Trump is supportive of even more arms sales and further direct action. The Republicans as a whole are more likely to turn this into a regional conflict, not much more. That's what going further right on the political spectrum means. I think its headed there anyway, as there isn't much between the American rightwing parties. The argument i'd make is Trump is probably better for you in a war as he won't take half measures, if that's what America as a whole is okay with going into, it might as well go in full blast. Worse for NATO and the world though as he's so far right that he wants to ditch the only functioning thing stopping a larger war in Europe.

This is quite in-depth, and I've liked the host in different topics if you haven't seen him before. It made me think of a few things that hadn't occurred to me. Falling, for example, is responsible for many resulting conditions, and contributors to mortality, so strengthening the legs directly helps counter it.

Fate and Free will are the same thing. Collapsing that duality helps. We choose what we do, but we are also in a pattern, with a result lining up from the moment we start. What we chose to do was also the result of a pattern. Randomness has to exist because this is infinity, and I cannot picture something that can't exist somewhere in some form (if you don't get hung up on how or what). A monster shape can be found in an insect for example, or the sky can appear green if you hold up a green filter, or look at a distant green planet. Randomness partly explains the deviation from a pattern. People's ability to break their patterns is demonstrated every day, and so that possibility also exists.