BlueOak

I hope some political figure in the UK has a spine enough to oppose the US, but I doubt it given Russia putting pressure on Europe and Europe needing the US to at least be mildly interested in stopping it.

Usual dictator work. Fight wars when your unpopular or want to stay in power. Make it all about the military and law enforcement. Only America is run by a wannabe dictator also, and so that's factoring into everything going on. Now Trump is calling for Iranian surrender. Kyle's take: Disgusting people all around. Just more war war war, that's all the authoritarians always want. Make everyone look like them, think like them, and conform or die.

Well the left has needed to learn from the right for about a decade or so, that in this moment, populism wins elections. Not alone but backed by corporations, donors, community groups, institutions, media etc.

Another person who is conflating illegal immigration with legal immigration. ICE is targeting legal migrants, people going through the process and doing everything they should. They are making the problem worse, because now people won't use the process. Its all part of the erosion of the American state and certainly its democracy. It really is a rot, and it's deeply rooted at this point. Oh and it comes about because instead of intelligent leadership, its all about the drama for ratings.

I think you all did damn well. Not only did you crush the dictators tin soldiers on parade, but you galvanised support against the fascist regime. Sure the right will dismiss it because they are getting exactly what they want, ridding America of brown and black people. No Kings wasn't hyperbolic but it was a bit fantastical, even if it did sound catchy, I would have called it no dictators myself. No racists if you want one step closer to the truth and out with white supremacy. Protests won't directly change policy, but they will ensure that every democrat who wants to be elected is against ICE and the actions here.

From a pure meta perspective. It seems incredibly stupid that the basics can't be met more easily though for most. I am of the opinion we don't do enough consciously to enable this. In any country, from education through to implementation. Everyone should be able to do what they are naturally skilled at and find some fulfillment in for the betterment of everyone they interact with and the economy as a whole. That should be the goal, that they can feed themselves and pay their bills off some fulfilling job for which they have aptitude, a job that benefits the community(s) they are a part of.

This is still live for now, covering it as it happens. I am not sure on the status of the radiation leaks in Iran if they were confirmed or not. Trigger warning though. As always they are pro-Israel in this, pro-Ukraine etc Their 1206 day war map, mostly covering this for now: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?entry=yt&mid=1DLKV9c6AOpQHU9-oxwO0H_p_Hxw70B8&ll=49.518304272668836%2C-0.6971817500000128&z=3

You've never seriously seen a left debate if you are giving me this information. Its insane the amount of things they will argue over and the insane and often infuriating minutiae that will divide them. It's also their greatest strength in bringing new perspectives. I think they mean liberal centrist status quo vs a right debate. Because as a rule, the actual left never conforms to anything, let alone themselves, they have a bias to be contrarian in my experience. BUT the further right we go, perhaps there is some truth to say, that the obvious things become ever more pronounced to anyone left of the fascist mindset, and thus they are broadly aligned. That and i've seen maga (and reform) operating like I used to see the more dramatic versions of the left operating, and just rambling over incoherent streams of consciousness that are not grounded in reality in the slightest.

Thank you for giving me an education, and us all a break from the usual names. Without understanding the regional and local powers, we never actually understand what is going on. Everyone just focuses on global influence instead. I hope to see more of these videos.

Apologies I didn't understand because you quoted my comment about crime etc. Yes that's very true of anyone acting on an identity too strongly.

Life in prison for these guys, no parole.

You'd care if the country fell into instability, you were personally robbed or couldn't afford the basics.

That's how I feel. If I step into my own bias, I couldn't care less. What I do care about is social order, crime and a functioning economy far more than where someone is from. Because these things all impact my life. If they are contributing to society, not criminals and contributing to the economy then i'd open the borders as far as they can be, while maintaining the rule of law and social cohesion. This is why 'contributing to society is first on that list', because they'd be actively keeping it stable and prosperous. People who should not be let into the country, are those who have no wish to join the society as it currently stands, don't want to work or have sufficient criminal records to warrant concern i.e more than a traffic or minor offense. So the very first question to any immigrant should be something like this for my country: What do you love about the UK What are you going to do to contribute to keeping it that way. ^That is healthy nationalism, not pulling people off farms then whining when you have no farm workers and asking for bailouts, and watching food prices rise. That's just plain idiocy. As is barging into elementary school graduations, the people responsible need jail time for that, from the person who organised it through to the goons executing it.

Newsom has a spine, which is a start. Little of this pushback is policy-based, meaning it can change with a few changes in perspective and then some serious investment into the left wing media machine again. I just watched a democratic senator responsible for the oversight of immigration get thrown to the ground and arrested for asking a question. When he got to make a speech afterwards, he sounded like he was about to cry. This is weak and it's not what's needed. Like Vaush said, he should have grabbed that podium with both hands. Part of this temporary pressure cooker we are all sitting in is to make men men again. A behaviour which is being rewarded and the opposite is being punished. While embodying masculinity, you hit Trump on his more feminine and also immature qualities. Its also a reflection of some of the wound that exists in men which tangles things. Trump's constant need for reassurance about being the best, like a kid needing a pat on the head. For example, you see this in men asking women to show some gratitude for doing a hard days work in red pill communities. *This is something liberals do 'okay' at as its more image-based, but they constantly aggravate this wound rather than heal it. Trump's need to express emotion outwardly all the time, rather than have it contained and processed internally, to build strength and order within before doing so. This is an hour-by-hour thing with Trump, he is in a reactive mode and mind constantly. *This is about his instability as a leader, a personality, and a man. (The last being critical to the republican base and current moment). - This comes out in everything, every action or decision of his you live through.. The need to blame others for our own internal failings. A lack of responsibility, accountability and discipline. In Trump this is constant and never-ending. It makes a weak man. And this needs to be talked about daily to re-parent a generation or two of lost men who never got taught it. That's off the top of my head, and its things you can do right now. The perspective shift happens gradually, when you are able to take on their own language fully. *Please note you don't need to argue traditional or untraditional gender roles with me, this is me speaking outside of my own internal bias. I couldn't care less about it.

US Senator Thrown Out and Arrested by Trump Thugs: By the way, he's a member of the immigration subcommittee. I talked about this elsewhere but the speech afterwards was indeed a missed opportunity. The dems need to grab that podium with both hands at a time like this.

What are the dems supposed to do when every immigration bill they propose the right rejects? If you mean the left of the dems, the actual left, then no, that's their place. Just like it's the right's place to push for the opposite, in a healthy functioning system, a centre ground would be established, and the two sides of the political spectrum would keep it in check. The circle of America politics looks like this to me. The left shouts a few things. The center shrugs, ignores it, and tries to do politics. The right ignores the center, and just does outrage drama politics. The center tries to court the right, and sometimes gets things done, at the cost of becoming ever more right-wing themselves. The right then have to keep going further right, to remain right of the Dems. Making more outrage, and more nonesense up to keep eyeballs on them. Then the left shout a few things and the circle repeats. This is why I say a pure duality political system has failed, not because it can't work, because it isn't working. America is actually a three-pole political system, trying to be a dual system.

Does everyone representing the right know how many bills the democrats have tried to pass on immigration? A hell of a lot more than the republicans. This is about perception and the need for labor. The perception that the right is strong on immigration and the perception of fear The right's worship of capitalism, which requires cheap labor. A fascist's need for an opponent. A minority of actual left-wing commentators who would advocate for lax border controls. The actual left is so small these days I don't know how anyone with a straight face can blame the actual left for anything practically. Except to try to engineer perception for their own viewpoints.

Among people who treat race as a reason to trust anyone. For everyone else, one has nothing to do with the other. The economy benefits from the labor, which means your quality of life is almost directly proportional to the strength, health, and skillset of the labor force. Along with obviously how that labor is used, maintained, and looked after with services. Culture which underpins everything in society, thrives with new inspiration. People dismiss this, but it both drives and stabilises almost everything about a country or region. Being a high immigration country and a rich, dynamic one nets you the best minds, the intellectuals want to be there. That is where development happens, that is how you rise and fall as a country in relation to your neighbours over time. These are some of the benefits of immigration off the top of my head, everyone always wants to shout about the opposite, so you all know those already. Social issues of integration, housing, fear from the unknown or uncertainty, more criminality from the levels of poverty and inequality driving it that an initial immigrant experiences, etc.

Understanding something doesn't mean embracing it.

To them it is important, I accept that. To me, it's a pigment, the level of melatonin in the body. Skin color means nothing at all to me. I engage people on an individual basis. Their belief systems, and moreover how they are in that moment, have significantly more to do with how our interaction goes. Black, Brown, White, doesn't matter. These two perspectives are almost impossible to reconcile; only accept and work out a compromise. Hence, if you are accepting its importance to them, you have to also accept the same for the other side. That's what you either don't understand or are choosing not to vocalize. That is what the right will not do. So you are expecting me to forever move toward their position, and on these fundamental disagreements of race I cannot and will not. I will fight for the equal treatment of all races under the law and betterment within society till the day I pass from this earth, whenever I am in a position where it's called on to do so.

Here is another way to neutralise that from a sensible righting perspective. Define humane to me in this context. As this too is a conflation. Then humane can be exactly defined in law. I personally think it'll be hard to define humane to mean, not working for the collective good while you are in prison. By hard labor I am meaning useful jobs that contribute. I feel the majority of the country, including the left are for tracking immigrants.

This is also the absurdity of nationalism. Rather than try to improve the economic reality of neighbouring countries, so people don't emigrate in the first place, we are threatening to go to war with them instead. Rather than say to ourselves, let's not paint ourselves as the best nation on earth, and dominate everyone culturally; let's be realistic about our flaws and promote other cultures outside of our own. Then people might want to move there instead! Shocking I know. But nationalists have always and will forever be some of the most clueless people about the world around them because they are always focused nationally. What about high-speed trains with living accommodation in mexico? What about instead of fighting economic realities, we actually engage with the need for labor, and provide a way to get into the US and out effectively, encouraging those workers to legally register and be tracked? Here is a rightwing help: If penalties are needed, make it hard labor for illegals crossing; give them jobs that fill the labor shortage before they are deported. Am I the only one who can think of things like this? Is the entire world dumber than me? No, they'd just rather go roll tanks through Washington, shoot at protestors in LA and thump their chest in some desperate way to prop up outdated institutions and ways of thinking, which fight the economic and actual reality rather than guide or fix it.

Again, because you are conflating those engaged in the legal process of immigration with those who are not. The right, says: Leftists don't want to talk about illegal immigration or its restriction. I answer: That's because the right wants to stop all immigration; its not about the legality of immigration or better the ethical or moral framework it is structured under. If we were arguing ethics and morality, at least that'd be an improvement, hell, even the economic reality for all concerned, but we are just arguing skin color Leo and the culture war. It's not an honest discussion of the issues surrounding it, else that'd be what we are talking about. You saw the quote I gave right? From the Latina's for Trumps co-founder specifically complaining about exactly what I am stating here. To generate fear effectively at the border, you'd do it at the border. Its about generating fear, yes, but inside the country itself, white supremacists wanting a white state, the people running it like Stephen Miller are white supremacists. Indirectly you (speaking as the right) are correct that fear will play a factor, but only because you want to ignore everything I am trying to say about legal immigration and the reasons behind this, and the absurdity of turning a city into a warzone, while at the same time complaining it is in fact a war zone.

@Leo Gura You representing the right here, are conflating illegal immigration with legal immigration. Therein lies the point and purpose of the protests against the state, that and the military occupation of a city to conduct these illegal and unconstitutional raids. If immigration law is changed to your position, you'll be arguing for the law, at present, you are not. But as i've said, morality trumps the law here, even if what you were arguing for here was indeed lawful, it wouldn't be ethical or moral.

Many of those getting arrested are going through the official channels. This is why the law is being weaponised against the people. The community in this context refers to those with whom you are directly in contact on a day-to-day basis, or those with whom you associate sufficiently to draw on some of the things I described. Directly or indirectly benefitting from them. Most of the social programs, individual groups and institutions people are not even aware they benefit from until they are no longer in place, but all of them contribute to people's quality of life, experience and the stability or resulting lack of. A lack of stability results in things like the corruption or criminality of your country. Also: https://thehill.com/immigration/5339542-latinas-for-trump-co-founder-blasts-mass-deportations/ The co-founder of Latina's for trump quote: “This is not what we voted for,” Garcia wrote in a post on the social platform X. “I have always supported Trump, @realDonaldTrump, through thick and thin. However, this is unacceptable and inhumane.” “I understand the importance of deporting criminal aliens, but what we are witnessing are arbitrary measures to hunt down people who are complying with their immigration hearings—in many cases, with credible fear of persecution claims—all driven by a Miller-like desire to satisfy a self-fabricated deportation goal,” she continued in her post, referring to White House homeland security adviser and deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.