Karl-Heinz Mueller

Oh cool, so the Holy Inquisition now also locked Karl-Heinz' heretic final contemplation thread (for no given reason). Well, it had it's holy reasons, I'm sure! ^^ It may feel free to also lock or delete Karl-Heinz' account now, who will never return to this carnival club here ever again.

Dude, you claimed that #Mickey Mouse niveau

There is need to discuss this at all. If you found out that control and will "really is", like you say, then show it. To yourself. Or to me. Come on, show it. Or ask Leo to show it. I'm waiting. ^^ And by the way: I'm just reacting to your comments, in case Leo would suspect me of "trolling".

Correctus. The everything you cannot control? I guess I need to take the "little dust in their eyes" back. ^^ Like I said, I offer this for your comtemplation. Again, it is up to you whether you do that contemplation. ^^ Do it without deluding yourself ~if you dare~ ^^

Seems like someone with "little dust in their eyes". Congratulations! No objections on my part.

Oh dear. Are we back to Mickey Mouse niveau again? This question pertains to you, so you can answer it for yourself. ^^ And, again, it is totally up to you as to whether you want to delude yourself in answering this question. ^^

Well, call it a wordplay, It is totally up to you whether you feel like deluding yourself in regarding not being in control of something as a meaningful or satisfactory definition of "being" something. ^^

I guess you can find the answer yourself, by answering my question:

Well, that's what is takes to be something, in an ultimate sense. Would any weaker definition of being, in an ultimate sense, satisfy you? If you clam to be something, but cannot control that what you claim to be, what petty form of being is that? After all you still may call it "being" if you like to, and even claim you are "god" (if you are particularly deluded or dumb), but all you do is deluding yourself with a petty wordplay.

Alrighty, I decided to offer a as a parting gift a contemplation to this community before I depart from this community for good. If you are X * the variable X here you may fill with whatever comes to your mind, as for instance: your body your mind your heart your emotions Leo Love god the universe whatever then, if that X was who or what you really are, you could control it. That is to say, you could make these things go according to your will. And you could make them last for as long as you wish. And if you can not do that (which I bet everything that these is in the world for) you are not these things. Simple as that. Well then, I invite you to reflect further: Why does Leo (who - by his own admission - is „god‟) need to resort to material substances like 5-MeO-DMT to gain a „god‟ or „enlightenment‟ experience? Like, would „god‟ really need to do that? What kind of Mickey Mouse version of a god would that be? If he was in control of his „godhood‟, he could command these experiences at will and without further ado, and he could, once he had entered such an experience, make it last for as long as he wished to. Can he do that? I offer this for your contemplation. Anyway, that’s it from my part. Should any questions regarding this contemplation come up I would probably not mind to answer them. All the best Karl-Heinz Müller

Bruh, I guess you should read the discussion to its end and look up some of my later replies. I felt that my business here was to be someone who holds up a mirror to you Leo to make you aware of the red cardboard nose you are wearing. But for someone who is enshrouded in dark mist, any mirror of whatever kind is of no use. Having recognized that, my business here is over. All the best Karl-Heinz Müller

Wow, first time I hear someone saying that here! I know he is human (not "human too", but "human only"). Like I said, it would be okay for me too, but is not okay after he said that, no to mention all his god jokes. That casts an infinitely huge dark cloud over his entire work. Noone must complain about having troll armies flood on them after having proclaimed such a travesty to the entire planet. Thank you, you expressed it very well. Yeah, if I look at some the the threads here it kind of feels like as if I had entered a regulars' table of spiritual carnival orators (Büttenredner), with people competing with each other about who can make the best jokes, and the more ridiculous those jokes are, the better they are recognized. Like if I was to, say, come up with a weird concoction of the Mahayanic Heart Sutra mixed with some Waldorf education mixed with some new agey shaman mysticism and flavoured with some Celtic folklore perhaps, and make it sound great and how it helped me to "realize universal godhood", the table would go like: Wooow! That’s so deep! Give us more of that, swaying to and fro with their beers. And then if someone perhaps has an inkling of reality, sensing perhaps that this here is a joke, he is quickly recaptured by his peers, going like „naah bro, you only limit yourself! Come on, have more beer!" And if he then insists, he is issued a caution to be expelled from the club. Sehr gerne!

Alrighty, so my thread "Overcoming Spirituality" was closed by Leo. I didn't expect all-too much out of it, indeed it was pretty naive of me to expect anything out of it in terms of any self-reflective reply of Leo, in the first place. Finally Leo remarked that I am As to that, Leo, both of us agree unanimously, and I consent wholeheartedly. I am clearly not ready for "this work" in the same why that I feel clearly not ready to join some kind of spiritual carnival association. Best Karl-Heinz Müller

Of course, all I intended was to kid you! ^^ Or perhaps you didn't get my point. If scientists would not have been bold enough to go against our wishful thinking, we would still believe in a geocentric world view. Look up "narcissistic injuries" and "Freud", if you would like to better understand my point. And if you guys here don't muster the boldness to go against your wishful thinking that you are the universe and god and love and Leo's urine, you will (apart from being dumb) keep on deluding the world.

Interesting. Thank you. I did not hear of that distinction yet! Added to my "need to check out-link iist". "Neutral monism" is what I currently prefer, if you will. @universe: Thanks for picking it out... Oh dear... Now I see..... And do these replies appease you? Oh I did not recognize yet the extent of Leo's flaws and dishonesty. Well anyway. Leo is not the Universe. It is a waste of time to point this out but If he was the universe, he could control it. And neither are you, user "universe", who gave himself the telling name. Simple equation: If you were the universe, you could control. Can you? No. So you are not the universe. You cannot identify with ANYTHING, but your deluded, wishful thinking will not entertain that thought. Well this discussion here served a purpose for me at least. I am at a loss for words now to express how untrustworthy of a teacher Leo is. Well if I was you guys who will continue to stick around in this forum I would encourage you to start some kind of revolt against Leo, to not let him get away with his spiritual excrement (I was again struggling to find a word for it, "nonsense" would be an euphemism...). I would really hope that you guys and He Himself @Leo Gura will at some point in your life reach a level of non-delusion that we will be able to laugh at this together. Indeed, from what I have seen some of the people in this forum I guess already are at that level. But they perhaps lack the boldness and disagreeableness to raise their voice against it.