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@Rafael Thundercat I really like this quote. I'm taking it and gonna do some more thinking about it. @Rafael Thundercat Also why are you just quoting me back to me here? lol It's hard to enjoy the ride when you're tired and defeated from the stress of work. Instead you just want to sedate yourself before you have to face work again. I care because it demotivates me. Why should I care to participate if the system is fundamentally broken? If winning the game means that I'll likely have to be a bad person? Isn't the fact that society rewards scum, a rational reason to hold yourself back from participation?

@Phil777 I did not, it's hilarious how retarded Germany is that it literally needs to go back to coal.

@Consept Well the fact is there is the truth, and when you come to understand the truth there is no different conclusion. You can't know the truth, and then come to a conclusion other than the truth, as that would mean you never arrived at the truth in the first place. So the only option is that you either failed to understand or comprehend the truth or you were presented with it. Do you understand my point? So regardless as to what arguments you've considered, whether its pro-MRNA or anti-MRNA, it doesn't effect the actual reality. I couldn't care less what other people think I care about what their thoughts lead them to do which in this case is to advocate for an evil totalitarian regime that suspends our basic fundamental human rights to our bodily autonomy, right to protest, to speak, to move etc... Personally I want all jabbycattle brains to get as many boosters as humanly possible. What they do with their own bodies doesn't irk me in the slightest, what does is authoritarianism. Is that difficult to understand?

@DrugsBunny @thepixelmonk Damn you're making me sound more based than I am. But if you seriously think that this is my perspective given what I've wrote you're an idiot who needs to put down the pot and hop the fuck off. I don't think Andrew Tate is god, I just don't think he's a devil, obviously as I went into extensively, I don't think MLK is a bad infact as I said repeatedly he's a great person but despite my endless prefacing you morons will still accuse me of not liking him because you're braindead cattle. As for MRNA "vaccines" being poison. Time will vindicate me on the corruption of Pfizer and these pharmaceutical companies. Inoculation for covid is not only useless for the vast majority of people without pre-existing health concerns and cardiovascular issues. It is dangerous as it breeds virus mutation. You're not supposed to "vaccinate" during a pandemic but this is a point that would go over your head. But we're not even vaccinating, MRNA is gene therapy. Nethertheless for the jabby cattle brain morons no amount of evidence would deter and as many say, as an example check pic related, even if it was poison, and you acknowledge it is poison, which as time goes on you will be forced to do, thanks to your own tremendously functionally retarded cognitive biases you'd still defend being a sheep. As for people such as yourselves I invite you to get as many booster shots as possible.

@Consept Just trying to raise awareness wherever I can. Hopefully change minds but if I don’t which is likely, I can still show people that there is dissent and counter arguments. Which is enough to get peoples critical gears turning usually.

Okay let me explain the title, it can't really be argued that Martin didn't make brilliant strides for civil rights in America. But MLK was a woman beater, a communist (only issue was it's atheism), womanizer, apparently he had a thing for white women lol. Plagiarist, plagiarized many speeches and much of his dissertation, and supposedly watched as a friend and pastor raped a woman (according to an FBI report). Why do I mention this? Not to disparage MLK's work but just to point out that he's human. When you have the Jordan B Petersonite advice of... "CLEAN YOUR ROOM BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE THE WORLD BUCKO." Ironically Peterson being a man who did and does no such thing. I'm sure his rooms a shithole and he too has mental health problems, which he's shown again and again proving himself to be a hypocrite. He still has plenty of critics of the world, but Peterson is besides my point. My point is that many historical characters that have formed cultural and political movements themselves haven't always been good men or women. Examples - Abraham Lincoln may have ended slavery but didn't really want to just had to, to dissolve the Confederacy. His plan was to repatriate all blacks to Africa. In fact I believe the first African American to be invited into the White House to speak with the sitting president was Fredrick Douglass to discuss repatriation after the war. I mentioned Churchill in the previous thread. Many many men who themselves might have a dark side and be shady characters have despite that become the figure head of social movements and achieved great things. It stops being about who you are as a person, you become a symbol, you become something more than a person when people rally around you. For instance all John Lennon said about peace he still would beat Yoko Ono. T.S Elliot, Miles Davis, Charlie Chaplin, Gandhi, Teresa, Henry Ford, Charles Dickens, Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Pablo Picasso, Steve Jobs, Bobby Fischer. All these men had personal problems and many figures that had huge and positive impact still may as individuals be unethical characters. So I believe it's unfair to dismiss an individual just because that individual may have done immoral things at some point in their lives. @Leo Gura The governments file on MLK will not be unsealed until 2027. But he was likely a revolutionary communist, plagiarized his dissertation so it's tough to call him a real doctor. Plagiarized even his "I HAVE A DREAM" speech. On the night of his assassination was actually beating up 3 white prostitutes. Good luck really finding any evidence that Andrew Tate has been kicking the shit out of prostitutes. The CIA who were recording King said that when he would fuck these hookers he'd say shit like "IM FUCKING FOR JESUS, IM FUCKING FOR GOD NOW". Tell me that's not narcissism lol. It also takes a degree of sociopathy to happily kick the shit out of hookers. There's also plenty of accusations that King would use church money to pay hookers and have orgies. But despite all that the civil rights movement didn't fail. What matters is the movement and what the media choose to shine a light on. I think it's not hard to say that MLK in many respects could be a toxic leader. OKAY FINE, that doesn't mean he's not a great man. Nor does it mean that his achievements for civil rights haven't held up in the long-term. America's come a long way since the 60s has it not?

@DrugsBunny I couldn’t even tell because it’s not clear with how dull your arguments were and your pfp. So yeh no u

@Consept Plenty of people were forced and coerced. You still can’t travel to many countries if you’re not double jabbed. We’re beating this drum because what’s happened is evil and was the suspension of our basic human rights for an authoritarian global agenda.

@Tristan Clemons It’s funny. The worlds self proclaimed “elite” and billionaires all fly in their private jets from around the world to one place literally centred around how they will use their influence and political power/connections to effect the world, centralise power and property in their hands. Then idiots dismiss their blatant, in the open conspiring, in front of your face, as “conspiratorial fear mongering”.

@Danioover9000 I'm not gloating and nor am I being serious when I mention Tate lol. Which some people here seem to think I'm being. I don't believe she will be held in custody long and as @Peter-Andre it was just her being detained.

@DrugsBunny lol fucking what? You've even got @Leo Gura shaking his head here. I didn't know this thread would attract all the crazies. @DrugsBunny go smoke some more weed and keep your black kink complex to yourself. @Aiwass I find it funny you say I have a low iq when you are legitimately the stupidest person I've seen on any internet forum in a long time. Yeah I rung him up actually before starting this thread. He told me you're an idiot FYI As for masculinity I couldn't care less. I think masculinity largely is a societal construct used to control men for the benefit of women and other powerful men. You shouldn't try to be masculine, you should just be masculine if you are.

@Lyubov I just want to defend myself here. I was replying to a Leo post in a separate thread where he mentioned MLK. I don't think the thread was unfair or unreasonable and definitely far from lunacy. I don't think MLK was bad and I extensively went into that fact in the thread. Maybe had you read or understood the post you would get that. Also I think you're metioning Steven Crowder with the "change my mind". I didn't know asking for a discussion was so divisive here.

@Danioover9000 Uh no, he's on top, he's the TOP G ^ up there. No I understand what you're saying but being a world renowned kick boxer requires a tremondous amount of discipline and skill. People tend to trivialize the success of others when they haven't achieved much. Me too but Razza at the bar is the best bet you have as a man looking for a role model in your life. ? imagine I'm pointing cool guy finger guns at you rn Do you also like me write about your misanothropic views of mankind in your diary with black nail polish covering your fingers, fa* hanging out your mouth, in fingerless gloves listening to the cure. If so you're doubly cool ?. No but jokes aside fair enough I share the same temperament. It's not bad to have role models.

@Leo Gura It does require intention, it is very difficult for anyone who may or may not be ideological to differentiate and find that out what is and isn't ego mind when you can't discuss topics. I find debate helpful because it what useful information you can find to progress and actualise is to be found where you don't want to look and by forcing others to rationalise. This is a place for discussion. We're here to pick other peoples brains, and each others brains, not to talk to ourselves. So I invite people to challenge me on anything that they might think is my egoic, rationalising, projecting gaslighting, judgemental bullshit because that's how I get better and how other people get better. I respect policing lol it needs to be done but it's important to never over do it and destroy discussion. Which I don't think you are anyways. Best wishes to everyone ?

@Focus Shift Alexander Grace did a great series breaking down Andrew Tate that's worth watching if you're interested in him. There aren't any which will have as much as an impact as Tate atm. Which was the point I was trying to make in the below thread before Leo took that thread out back and shot it in the head burying it in a shallow grave. @Leo Gura If you're not gonna take the title I'm the new top G then. Cheers ? @Danioover9000 Don't know a lot of people on this list. They are great role models. Most are dead. Unless they rise back from the dead they're not gonna be effecting the culture and men much lol. Honestly the best mentor for men is the friendly guy you met at the pub.

@Gidiot Very based. The social contract is a myth. When it doesn't benefit society it owes you nothing when it does benefit society you owe it everything. It's a scam. Shouldn't the very basis of the moral foundation of the use of force in society predicated upon the "social contract" be an actual fucking contract we can sign? You know why it's not? Because it's all a fucking SCAM. @Leo Gura I'm doing this more and more and realize that focusing on others is a mistake. That's just everyone pursuing their own interests. That's not society, that's ME. @Roy You don't even have the option to do this. To not participate in society. The loin cloth lifestyle is becoming more and more appealing everyday. This was a good video I watched the other day on the subject. No scum are those who are rewarded in this society and that's what demotivates me to care when I see who we collectively venerate, reward and praise. @katewashere Isn't it sad that we're compelled to work jobs we hate, not only to avoid the tent tinned food lifestyle but because we'd be so utterly bored with life if we weren't forced to work? Personally I can entertain myself just fine without being compelled to work shitty meaningless jobs. This is a better way to look at it that I'm gonna start thinking instead. Thanks @RedLine Which is reasonable to me honestly. @universe It doesn't have to do that. Just don't keep me prisoner and force me to pay taxes for foreign and domestic wars so our pedophile overlords can make more money.

Been sticking to some resolutions but when I focus on one others slip. I need to just pick one and focus on one until it's really ingrained as a habit. That's the plan for the remainder of this month. A lot of thought lately about what the fuck I'm supposed to do with my life. It's easy to buy a course on life purpose or whatever else. It just seems silly to me. I just need to learn a skill I can monetize, put some effort in it, and monetize it. That's one big goal this year is to start making enough money where I can actually have some Independence which is seeming more and more impossible. But I'm actively trying not to be demotivated or consume/read anything that drags my motivation or morale down. Which I'm finding harder and harder to do because I'm kind of addicted to negative thinking. I rationalize it to myself that you have to focus on the bad if you want to make things better. You want to see the bad in the world so you can attempt to make a positive change. But the world is really a shitty place, things are pretty crazy and the more I read and think the more life just becomes absurder and absurder. Looking back on my journal back to the end of 2021 and seeing that I'm repeating the same things now I was over a year ago is depressing. Looking at the simplicity of my resolutions too is depressing. Makes me think what life is about. I go to the gym more and more now and it's what breaks my day up between work and the gym. Just to repeat painful motions again and again. What's it all for? lol. Wrote this in my journal over a year ago ass end of 2021. Whenever I read back on what I write I cringe I just hope if I keep doing it, it will get less cringy. I've fallen into some crack and I've been sitting here waiting pissing away time for years now and it obviously got worse as it did for a lot of people in 2020. Might make a thread elsewhere actually come to think of it. How are you supposed to get out of this crack? One reason I made this thread yesterday and the new one today. Well one cause I saw all those Andrew Tate videos then watched Leos new video. I'd heard of Tate years ago from watching red pill manosphere videos on youtube so it was entertaining to me when he got as popular as he did. I remember a few months ago I went on a binge watch of this dudes videos and had a fucking dream where he and his brother popped up, you know that's a bad sign. I think he appealed to me because he said that as a man, you're on your own and for a long time I've felt bad being on my own because I've thought that people are supposed to have a community and in a sense depend on other people. In part Tate helped to liberate me from that idea. Also so much of being a man is about being masculine. Men are condition largely to spend their whole lives chasing masculinity largely to impress and provide for women. If you remove women from a mans life, no family, no family no one to provide for, no wife to love and to bring you happiness, no children to motivate and drive you to work to give them a future. So what the fuck are you supposed to do with the rest of you life when you don't get to stay on the script like other people? That's why I made this thread. Something I'm working on is what I'm exactly living the rest of my life for. If I should find a way to get back on track, back operating on the script like everyone else. If I should choose and shape some other path. If I do what will that look like. I think I've become to self aware. At the end of the day life happens to you or you happen to it. So either way something is going to happen and has been. I just want what happens to be what I want. So I need to figure this out because not knowing is miserable and I'm very demotivated atm.

@Thought Art I’m not saying that two wrongs make a right. What I am saying comparing MLK and Tate is that although there may have been personal faults and they might both not be pure. It may have taken away from their movements because of corruption. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you can entirely dismiss a person or their cultural influence or denigrate their achievements. Obviously MLK is a far greater and more moral man than Tate. I just think Tates positive impact is easily overlooked by people who don’t like him. It tends to only be his sycophants and people already in the manosphere, red pill group that understand his positives. Tate is a huge and important figure for a reason. @Rafael Thundercat Look sure I don’t necessarily disagree with that quote. Obviously if it’s against someone’s will they won’t change their minds. Is it against my will? Yes. So? You have to prove to me that there’s a reason for me to change my will for me to change my mind. My will is what it is because I believe Tate has in many ways had a positive social impact. You disprove that fact, not the fact that he’s a bad guy, and then you’ll change my mind. It seems that a lot of people don’t want to discuss that and instead want to dismiss you as a paranoid conspiracy theorist for thinking society today with “toxic” masculinity isn’t really to friendly to men.

@Leo Gura No it's not projection or paranoia it's exactly what the media is doing. They constantly attack the red pill movement. Slander everyone as misogynist incel far right extremist white supremacists which I see on this very forum who claim that perhaps not everything Tate does and says is all bad. No wonder when that's the rhetoric of the media and in the main stream we have such polarization. Especially when people can't even acknowledge that fact instead slap you with the label of "paranoid conspiracy theorist" for pointing out the exact thing that the media will gladly admit to. The media is in part going after him for the evil things he's said. But what's most important to the media is their narrative. They don't really give a shit about Tate. The bottom line is ALWAYS there agenda and they'll only cover what they need to cover to push their agenda. Same thing applies with Kayne.

@Leo Gura I don't feel sorry for Tate. I just mean that the media is going after him to disparage the men's rights movement. They can go after him far more ruthlessly now than the FBI could go after MLK in the 60s. That's if the FBI didn't kill MLK lol. Now his recordings were probs bdsm shit, stuff MLK likely did to hookers as well. All I'm saying is that Tate is an important cultural and social figure currently, which is why you made a 3 and a half hour video on him and why there's so much discussion right now in the world and on this forum about him. I think his impact is mostly positive even if personally he's a bad guy, which I don't doubt, but bearing that in mind he still has good qualities that we should keep in mind when criticizing him. Which is what enables him in large part to appeal to a lot of men. I disagree with your Tai Lopez example. There was some truth to the fact that Tate dangles the carrot of pussy and fast cars to switch men's brains off. But there's also truth to Tate's rhetoric that in this world no ones coming to save you as a man and you have to rise up, take responsibility and save yourself if you're ever going to get what you want out of life. Which many men today need to hear. I don't think evil should be done dude.

@Leo Gura Fair enough communism was popular, probably is more popular now among the youth lol, but that doesn't take away from how destructive it is. I don't think being a communist just means you want equality. But obviously there's more nuance to it. That's fair. But Tate in many ways has been trying to hide his corruption but it get drags out by the media to smear him and more importantly the men's rights movement. It was easier for MLK to hide his corruption as he wasn't in the social media age of everyone having a smart phone and having your whole life recorded. Tate talks about changing his rhetoric to something more decent since his incredibly rise in popularity. But it's hard to hide all the egregious shit you've said before especially when the media wants to drag it out. I don't think Tate wants to hide it because he really cares for the men's rights movement. But I do think he does a bit. He is unquestionably rich, could just live out the rest of his life doing what he wants but instead decides to take on a political cause and say deeply controversial things in our time championing what I think are some important causes and I respect that. True but that's happened for the reasons I mentioned before. I don't think that's exactly what he's been doing but there's some truth to what you're saying. Ironically though his promotion of sleeping with loads of women isn't what the media demonizes him for because that's promoted by the popular culture.

@Thought Art LOL no. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying that MLK's major problem with communism was it's link to atheism.

@Leo Gura Hold up, gonna find my receipts. This is the plagiarism of his I have a dream speech. Taken from another black pastor. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/28/216466421/listen-rare-recording-of-52-speech-that-king-drew-from Plagiarism on his dissertation. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/10/us/plagiarism-seen-by-scholars-in-king-s-phd-dissertation.html One of MLKs close friends Rev. Ralph Abernathy, wrote a book that talks about MLK's obsession with hookers and white hookers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Walls_Came_Tumbling_Down As for Communism he has many quotes talking about the evils of Capitalism. His advisor Bayard Rustin was a organizer of some communist leagues. His speech writer, book editor, tax advisor and event organizer Stanley David Levison was leader of the communist party of the USA. https://www.okayplayer.com/culture/fbi-document-martin-luther-king-john-f-kennedy.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Levison Yes it is corruption but despite his corruption he still achieved a great deal. I know you don't have to be 100% pure which is why I still like Tate. I don't worship him and there are a lot of problems with him but as you said... So just as you can argue King was corrupt and toxic, which despite that he still achieved a lot of success for the civil rights movement. I think Andrew Tate is corrupt and toxic but still will achieve a lot of success for men's rights as a cultural movement. Only time will tell but Tate is the the one man to really take this into the mainstream. Hopefully someone better will come along but someone is needed. This is a good point. Plenty of rhetoric of Tate is harmful. But not all of it. I think King's communist rhetoric also is harmful and promoting abuse. What matters mostly though is the impact of what is promoted.

Just finished listening to Leo's 3 hour vid. Yes Tate may be an unethical narcissistic sociopath, maybe he's dabbled in a little bit of sex trafficking. Yes he treats his customers like trash and they are suckers for buying into his ponzi scheme. Yes he is huckster hustler exploiting people for his own benefit. He is a materialist who equates human worth and a mans worth with how many products you buy and fancy pants and cars you own. Teaching men to waste their lives and money on useless luxury items. Sure he promotes a dishonest living screwing everyone around you. "ls that a man working an honest job? What a LOSER'" "Your ENTIRE worth as a man is defined by how many products you buy!" "Don't make an honest living, screw over everyone around you." "Waste all of your money buying useless luxury items!" "Don't pursue education or read. That's for suckers." "Don't meet a nice girl, all women are whores bro. Don't even bother trying to settle down and raise a family. Real men fuck trash whores all their life." Yadda yadda. Yeah I obviously agree that he's not a perfect person and unlike some sycophantic morons I'm not gonna claim he is. BUT I still like him. The most important reason is because he's funny and interesting. But other than that is because he's been just what men have needed. With how pussified and beaten down men in western nations have collectively become, it's only natural a snake like Andrew Tate who considers himself a modern "Genghis Khan" would come to have all these men rally around him. You're not gonna have some nice, polite and moral dude spawn from this current culture. We tried Jordan Peterson and he couldn't stop crying, broke down into a benzo daze and dissappeard. Daddy Peterson didn't work out. So what's be needed to really shake things up and slap some men into awakening is a loud obnoxious dickhead like Tate. I think overall Andrew Tate has done a great service to men EVEN if that's not what he intended to do or cared for. I wanted to make an alternate thread besides the hate fest here... Andrew I think is needed in this climate for men to break through the overton window and drag it back. No one else would have been half as successful in doing this and that's why I like him.

@Carl-Richard First Hitler comparisons now Tate is the devil lol. @StarStruck Thank you star struck and note that there are many many many men like you whose lives have been greatly effected in a positive direction thanks to the words of Tate telling young men to take responsibility over their own life and the things that happen to them. To have pride in themselves and to know they can make change IF they choose to. @LordFall Why exactly am I being nonintellectual? Because of a trigger-inducing title? Fact is even though my friend you think you're above ideology you aren't and still in fact have one. Ideology is a system of pattern recognition. You cannot truly function or have an understanding of the world without one. That does not equate to dogmatism. If I was dogmatic I wouldn't come to a forum with people who disagree with me to challenge my beliefs. I'd be on some redpill server echo chamber blowing smoke up each others assholes. I'm happy you can acknowledge the positive effect Tate has had upon the Overton window along with some aspects of the red pill community and the matrix analogy. @Rafael Thundercat Lol both are true. Obviously. I've casted my vote. ? guess which one I voted for. @dualnon EXACTLY. This is what I'm saying. So lets stop celebrating his arrest before we even know if he's actually guilty of the crime! @MarkKol More "muh dick rider" shit. Shush ?