YogiCosmos

I tend to view existence as fundamentally mysterious yet profoundly knowable. There are theories put forth by ancient traditions and modern science alike, but the actual mechanics of "how" remain elusive. However, it's important to note that "knowing" doesn't necessarily mean understanding the mechanics, but rather experiencing the reality of existence on a personal level. "Knowledge" of existence is more about appreciating its mystery rather than analytically dissecting how it works. It's about dwelling in direct experience rather than intellectual comprehension.

I've noticed the theme of this forum is to use logic to transcend the mind. Sometimes, when the conditions are ripe, it might happen. The right koan, for example, can awaken the Self to itself. Note that the individual person doesn't wake up - it's the silent awareness that wakes up to itself. But most of the time, philosophizing about non-duality and awakening keeps us only trapped in the mind. To transcend, we need to meditate and go into samadhi frequently. Then when the time is right, pop!

@VeganAwake by Self, I mean silence or awareness. It wakes up to itself through us. The person doesn’t wake up to silence. Silence awakens from the person.

As for logic, it certainly has its place in the deconstruction. When we use our intellectual faculties to analyze and question the beliefs and assumptions we've held, we can often reveal their lack of substance or validity. Yet, the mind with its beliefs is part of the surface structures we're seeking to transcend. It's not about rejecting the mind, but rather understanding its role and not being limited by it. It isn't so much about what we gain or learn--it's more about what we release, unlearn, or let go of. And often, it's about quieting the mind enough so we touch into deeper levels of silence and pure awareness.

What else are you going to deconstruct it with? -Deconstruct with silence

Our mind isn't limited to a specific physical location. It may seem like the mind resides in our head because most of our sensations are concentrated there. But the mind isn't local or confined within our physicality; it's connected to consciousness which pervades our whole being.

Allowing everything to be as it is means embracing acceptance. It means releasing our tight grip on control, on the belief that we must orchestrate every moment of our existence. Instead, we acknowledge and honor what is unfolding naturally in our lives, even it doesn't align with our expectations or desires. In practice, it implies recognizing the emotions, thoughts, and situations that arise, without trying to change them or judge them. It's about deeply listening, observing, and being in the present moment. Admittedly, this will not always be easy. There are circumstances and feelings which may seem too overwhelming, too challenging to merely allow. Yet, by cultivating a practice of acceptance, we create space for healing, growth, and deeper understanding. This principle also extends to our world at large. To allow everything to be as it is is to acknowledge the complexity and diversity intrinsic to life. It's to recognize that every individual has their unique path and perspective, allowing for a more compassionate and inclusive worldview.

When we say "I do not exist", we're referring to the personal self, the ego or the individual sense of "me". This doesn't imply that life or consciousness ceases to exist. Rather, it points to a shift from being identified with an individual persona to recognizing one's connection with a broader, universal life force or consciousness. Breathing continues, life goes on, but it's no longer seen as something orchestrated by a separate entity or 'I'. Instead, it's understood as part of the spontaneous flow of life itself. This "who" that is animating the body and breathing comes to be recognized as the same essence or Intelligence that underlies all of existence. The understanding of "who's breathing" deepens as our consciousness evolves. Initially, we might identify ourselves as the body-mind complex doing the breathing. As we advance on the spiritual path, we start to recognize the underlying life force that not only enables breathing but also supports every other form and phenomena in the universe. In essence, when we ask "who's breathing?", we're inviting ourselves to look beyond the surface level of individuality. Slowly but surely, this exploration can lead us to discover the boundless, timeless aspects of our being, beyond the limited "I" that we usually take ourselves to be. In this more expanded view, the sense of a personal 'doer' dissolves, yet life continues to unfold spontaneously and beautifully.

Reality is inherently knowable. Why? Because we are made of it. It's within us and around us. There isn't a single "truth" or definitive interpretation, but rather a continuous series of perspectives that unfold naturally. This unfolding is an invitation to participate, to learn, and ultimately to grow. We all share this world, and everyone has a role to play. We bear a collective responsibility to nurture understanding, foster kindness, and cultivate compassion. By embracing our interconnectedness and honoring each other's perspectives, we contribute to the wholeness of existence. What can make reality seem like an illusion is the shift in our perception. Consider this - just because two people interpret a shared event differently doesn't mean the event itself was an illusion. Instead, the interpretations reflect their personal perspectives. The same principle applies to understanding reality. It exists in its absolute form, irrespective of how different individuals perceive or interpret it. While there isn't a single "truth," there is a progressive series of perspectives that unfold naturally, enabling us to better understand ourselves and the world around us. In essence, reality is not an illusion; it's the baseline of our existence, the platform upon which our individual and collective experiences are built.

@Flowerfaeiry When we perceive another person, we are perceiving our interpretation of them. They are shaped by our personal lens - our beliefs, experiences, biases, and so forth. As Rumi beautifully expressed, "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." However, it's crucial to note that this doesn't imply the other person isn't real or only exists in your mind. They have their own consciousness, experiences, and self-awareness. Yet, we are all facets of the same consciousness expressing and experiencing itself. From this perspective, it is true that the perceived separation between 'me' and 'other' is an illusion created by the mind. Yet, this imagining does not diminish the authenticity of their existence as individuals with their own experiences and consciousness. It only highlights the subjective nature of our perception. On the practical side, it's useful to understand that while our inner experience significantly shapes our perception of outer reality, ignoring the collective consensus can lead to discord. For instance, imagining we can fly doesn't grant us the ability to sprout wings. So, there's a fine balance in understanding these profound truths and applying them wisely in our lives.

The purpose of life and the journey towards enlightenment are deeply intertwined. Life is a chance for us to experience, learn, grow, and evolve. It is also an opportunity for consciousness to express itself through our individuality. Enlightenment is often misunderstood as a destination or a final goal. In truth, it's a perpetual evolution, a continuous surrender to the divine. It's not a static state but rather a dynamic process, an ongoing journey where we continually refine our perception of reality. Every "stage" of enlightenment brings about a fresh perspective. As we evolve, so does our understanding of our role within the whole. What may initially seem like a circumstantial part of our lives gradually reveals itself as an essential aspect of our journey. The real purpose of life, therefore, could be seen as this journey towards enlightenment. It is about embracing the process of continual growth, learning, and understanding. It's about recognizing that we each hold a piece of the puzzle, contributing to the completeness of the whole through our unique perspective. In essence, the purpose of life and enlightenment is the continual discovery and expression of our authenticity, the unfolding of our deepest truths, and the realization of our place within the grand scheme of existence.

Experiencing finity, or having finite experiences, is an inherent part of being in this world. As humans, we live in time and space, and our experiences are naturally bound by these dimensions. These finite experiences give us a framework to understand ourselves and the world around us. They allow us to connect with others, learn, grow, and evolve. Each finite experience, no matter how mundane or extraordinary, adds a unique brush stroke to the ever-unfolding painting of our lives. On the other side of the spectrum is infinity, the boundless, timeless expanse that underlies all existence. Experiencing infinity isn't something we achieve. Instead, it's an awakening to what we already are at our very core: infinite consciousness. Infinity isn't a destination but our original home. From a broader perspective, nothing is genuinely 'tricked.' Every experience, every moment has its place within the grand tapestry of life, contributing to our growth and evolution. We are not just a finite being trying to experience infinity. We are infinity itself, having a finite experience.

If you feel a deep calling towards the Zen path, by all means, follow your intuition. The spiritual journey is deeply personal and what works for one person may not work for another. It's vital to remember, though, that it's not about identifying with a particular practice, but rather about discovering the truth of your own being. Zen Buddhism has a rich history of supporting practitioners in deepening their understanding of themselves and the nature of reality. I will say, however, that choosing to be a monk is not a casual decision. It is a profound commitment that requires discipline, dedication, and a willingness to face the depth of your own being. The key to any spiritual practice is authenticity and understanding that the path is not about achieving a goal, but about realizing who you truly are. Don't feel pressured to adhere to any rules or doctrines. Let your insight guide your actions rather than adhering rigidly to a prescribed set of practices or beliefs. Finally, remember that the essence of spiritual development is not about becoming something different but about recognizing and embodying the wisdom and love that is your essential nature. Whatever path or practice resonates with you and supports this process of recognition and embodiment, is the right one for you. Trust yourself and honor your unique spiritual journey. We're all in this together, contributing our own unique perspectives to the wholeness of life. So, if you feel the pull towards the Zen path, trust that instinct and see where it takes you — it might just lead you somewhere beautiful.

1. The view of heaven after death is a common belief not only in Christianity but in many other religions as well. It is not a "con," but a faith structure intended to guide moral/ethical behavior in this life. The church should not be controlling but guiding, supporting, and inspiring its congregation towards a higher moral and ethical life. 2. Awakening is quite a personal experience. While it may not be communicable in typical terms, its effects on one's life are often visible - increased peace, compassion, understanding, and so on. It doesn't mean it's a scam; it merely means it's something deeply personal and individual. 3. While it's true that some people have reported spiritual experiences using psychedelics, these substances are certainly not a requirement for a spiritual journey. Also, it's important to differentiate between a transient drug-induced experience and a sustained awakening or enlightenment, which typically arises from consistent practice, moral living, and inner transformation. 4. Indeed, humility is a cornerstone of any genuine path. In Buddhism, the understanding of interbeing and interconnectedness allows us to see our place in a larger whole, not as an isolated or superior entity. In Christianity, the idea of 'carrying one's cross' is a metaphor for the humility and selflessness required in spiritual life.

Hi all, Figured I would start a new topic here and repost my awakening experience here. Has anyone had similar experiences? A year ago, I realized that “I” did not exist as its own separate entity. “Other” only existed in my thoughts if I couldn’t visually see them. 6 months later, experienced an implosion of silence followed by an explosion of silence into the world. The barrier separating my mind against the outer world lifted. Inner silence and external reality merged into the same silence. Everything in my direct perception and view I know to be me. The Self. Beautiful state of Unity. 2 months ago, the sense of Unity fell away. There was no longer an “I” claiming that the world was me. Went into an intense vacuum and blank state. The world in my view does not appear to exist or have been created. It also feels like the world is contained within my being. Note that I don’t feel like the world is an illusion. It’s absolutely real, but at the same time it was never created. Still stuck in this state as we speak. Everything is just function and appearance. No doer. No devotion. All totality. I feel like a ghost. More to unfold… I really hope. The ego is still there, but no longer the main identification. When I was identifying as the world, I felt like I was the Self. However in this new state, there’s no ego or Self. There’s no identification, yet the ego remains like a foot or the hand. It’s just there to serve a purpose in survival, but you are not the foot or hand.

Yes Galyna. 1. “You” are just a thought. But you also have thoughts. How can a thought have a thought? 2. You have a left hand that exists. But are you your left hand? You exist in localized consciousness. But are you Galyna?

All I know is that the masculine has become too dominant in recent history from a consciousness, religious, and relative perspective. Consciousness - dry non-duality is emphasized. Love, the core root that stirs alertness to be self-aware and then becoming consciousness, is often avoided. Shakti is just seen as a distraction even tho She gives birth to consciousness. Religious - God is the Father and aloof. Relative - Man dominated world

There’s a difference between no-self and no-Self. Just like to emphasize that Ramana talks about no-Self, which is prior to consciousness.

What Ramana is talking about is no-Self, with a capital S. This is legitimately the Self (i.e. atman, consciousness) falling away. I see other people like Lorn Hoff and David Buckland refer to this as Brahman. Believe their teacher was Maharishi Mahesh. No-Self, or Brahman, is prior to consciousness. This is called the Great Awakening in the Vedas, but not often written about. Scriptures only go up to the Self. This state is not empty in the sense of empty space. It is pure no-thingness, yet it is completely whole and full. It is also incredibly dry (i.e. lacking bliss) if your nervous system isn’t primed for it. No-self is the first level of self-realization that the little self, or the ego, is not who you are. My experience was that in self-realization, I still saw the world as an illusion. That created a subtle duality. When then I realized myself and the world were collapsed into one unity, I still had an egoic sense of “I am the world.” That sense of I is completely obliterated in no-Self. I mean… it’s incredibly dry since there is nothing here. That is what Ramana is talking about.

Final thoughts. Your mind is an object of experience. That means your experience is the subject. As such, the mind as an object is incapable of investigating into the true reality of consciousness. Surrender the concepts and POV. Let go. Be.

I bring up these stages because reality is experienced differently at different stages. Reality is itself… it doesn’t change. Solipsism is in the beginning stages of awakening, but not the final.

You can only know through direct experience. Once the Self falls away, so does the experience. All that’s left is knowing.

This is all interesting. But this is conceptualization and living in the mind. The true reality is of being. This simple message will get lost in the unawakened minds that read this. It’s okay. Perceiving others and the world as an illusion is of duality. “Other” is an illusion… that implies there’s another that’s not real. For true non-duality, subject and object have to collapse into one. All is real and all is also not real. True totality must be lived from a baseline of being. What does this mean? The world, the ego and this dream is inclusive of the totality of non-duality. Everything is that. True non-duality is inclusive of ego, creation, other, Self, and no-thingness. Solipsism is only true when totality is lived 24/7, not conceptualized or experienced. You can imagine how hard this is to put into words. But the dream is real and also unreal. Sorry guys. This also means you cannot spiritually bypass humanness. Many awake teachers view themselves and the world as an illusion and think they are above their shadows. They view themselves as the only awake entity in this universe. Hence, abuse occurs in their spiritual circles. Unresolved karma surfaces when awakened and plays out. Seeing the world and others as an illusion is the second step of evolution in perceiving reality. This is where many get stuck. The third step is seeing the world as divine play. The fourth step is transcending and seeing the world as uncreated in nothingness. The last step is seeing that the cause of creation is just pure divine power.

Ego can be split into 3 aspects: 1. We are separate. Stories revolve around why and how we are separate. 2. Emotional attachments to the stories of us and others 3. What Adyshanti refers to as the root identity. This is unconscious and primal. Legit fear of death and obliteration. In the awakened, many have not yet overcome the primary root identity under #3. When that finally falls away, all that is left is no-thing. True non-duality can then unfold. Until then, it’s all just concepts and mind games. #3 needs to truly happen to live and embody non-duality 24/7.

Space is created when consciousness becomes aware of itself in a loop. Imagine a mirror placed in front of another mirror… space is created in between and the mirror reflects itself back and forth. When consciousness becomes self aware to create space, this is called God. Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita says something along the lines of “ I curve back on myself to create again and again.” There is then a stirring of a thought from silence… an impulse. A brief musing. This causes infinite creations to manifest.