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Why would i want to deconstruct reality so badly? 1) I'm in this dream for a reason. I've wanted to experience exactly THIS life, and it has brought me to extactly this place and this moment. 2) I'm already GOD, even if i'm unaware of that. It doesn't change anything. 3) I have 100% chance that i'll die, and i'll see all the illusion. Why the fuck would i want to speed up this process? I had some DMT experiences, and during it, i wanted to have my illusion back. it made me appreciate it more. So yeah i'm fully into spirituality seeking, but it's fun game, i don't want see end credits just yet.

Any link how to start kriya yoga ? I’d love to start.

As Leo often says, my POV ( point of view) is the only one. I'm the only conscious being right now. I'm imagining all the other people, they simply doesn't exist. So when i call my parents, they are not there, i simply imagine their voice on the phone. Ok, they don't appear in my present moment. i get it, that we are all one, there's only one God and one consciousness, and it creates everything. I get it, that i might experience Leo right now in the same timeline, and Leo is me. Fine. But why my POV would be the only one? Why, consciousness wouldn't experience different perspective simultaneously? This is so radical it doesn't make any sense. Leo may experience the highest truth, but i think its lack of good communication, which leads to confusion...

wow! i've never seen such well written text about topic so complex! Thank you! How did you get those insights? it's incredible! So basically you confirm what Leo says? But honestly, your explanation makes so much more sense. Leo often close his replays with " your experience is the only one" which technically may be true, but it's still confusing as hell.

nice said. But what about POV? Leo says that "your POV is the only one, anything other doesn't exist" like solipsism says. Consciousness is one, but can't it experience different POV at once?

as Leo would say: you are the only one conscious being, dreaming up that i'm having any perspective. this part doesn't make sense to me.

Very nice explanation. One question though. Why Leo keeps talking about your POV being THE ONLY perspective? I get it, it's the one awareness, and i'm you, and you're me, but can't the same awareness experience different perspective at ones?

does Leo really think that? For me it's impossible that there's only one POV. How do you know?

Have ever you tried looking into someone else eyes during the trip? What's your insights? We always stare into each other eyes with my girlfriend after psychedelics. We both feel the same. It's like staring into the mirror. There's no "I" who recognize that, but conciousness/universe recognizes itself. And it's so obvious that we'are one. We are looking into our reflection. it's during end of trip. But when the trip is hard, on the beginning, you might see face is changing and constantly evolving into different faces. The person you are looking at is everyone who ever lived. What's your insights?

yeah, i feel like it's true and i experience it sometimes. When does it happen for you? For me it's psychodelics, and after looong meditation, when my mind is clean. I'll try stare into the mirror. Thanks for your insight!

Indeed. I sometimes feel like i've become exactly what i'm looking at. There's only that person. There's only what i see. Isn't it the case? The sense that there's "I" looking at something is false, right?

Yes, i've done psychedelics 10-15~~ times, but still, i'm far for knowing what to do bussiness-wise... it doesn't give me any insights in this matter. I practice being more present, and to integrate this trips into my daily life, but still... i just don't know.

How come spirituality basically contradicts survival? Can those two go hand in hand? I had business online, but it's so shallow, and with my level of consciousness, I just can't do it anymore, even if i try. It gave me good money, but i just can't keep it up! Luckily, i have enough savings to live, for a couple of years, without work. Everything that drives me right now, is spiritual growth. So basically I gave up earning money, and I focus on inner growth. BUT Almost everyday i feel like i'm doing something wrong. Other people think that way too, because all they do, is chasing money. I want to trust the Universe that it will get me eventually, and in few years, something new will come. But still, those thoughts drive me nuts. I get really anxious sometimes. Thoughts like : "i'm lazy" , "i'm not earning money, and other people do", " i should do something right now" , " i will go broke" " that spiritual growth is not worth it" etc. But really, right now i have no idea for myself, other than spiritual growth. It's all i feel and care right now. Everything else is meaningless. What should i do?

You will remember what you're supposed to remember. What might stick it will. So just relax and go into the moment with presence. :-)

Lately i'm meditating a looot. Today it was 4h non stop. I also smoked some THC. why is that, my mind makes everything, to keep me away from the present moment? Every guru says, it's the key, and my mind is doing everything so i just look away. it's all my self-deception, so i won't look. Enough! So i observe, few hours straight... and what i've noticed.. There are millions of different voices, who says different things in different ways. But these are just thoughts! all of them! Some of them act as they try to help me. Other act like they try to stop it. Other act like they care about others, so maybe i should think about them. It's all thoughts! They all keep me from the present moment! WHY? But when i'm patient enough, the storm of thoughts, will eventually pass. And i notice, how unaware i'm. There's briefe moment of no-thinking. It's beautiful, yet scary, because "something's gone". And after that, another thought comes, which claims that "it did it!" . False again! So there's basically no one who thinks . There's no one who does anything. There are only self -referring thoughts! And that's not me!! So i don't have any control of what the next thought may be. And nor do i have control or what happens next. it's all an illusion? Don't i have any free will? Why this mind keeps my away from this? From the truth? Then there is a thought that I" do anything and "I" must reach "enlightened" Lol. Those are just thoughts. When i just give up it comes... When the train of thoughts stop, there's a fear that "I" might be gone. But it's all illusion. What i gain is sweet music of life. Everything becomes fresh and vibrant. Everything has his own rhythm. And i feel like i'm sinking in the present moment. In life. It feels like home. But there's none who achieves that. Do i make it right?

Yeah, my shock is very familiar when i touch the truth..

Yes. But money don't motivate me anymore, and i don't see any job i would do just for the sake of doing it. @nahm i want you to know, i always appreciate your insights. You are always right, there are thousands of thoughts with different style and "voices" that keep me from the present moment. Why is that? Why this mind makes it so hard? I think there's other thought that's afraid of letting go of thoughts and therefore lack of control. But i don't have control to being with. Or do i? But what does create a thought? Is there a doer? only as u thought right? yeah i know it might turn out to be the biggest chance, but how to trust it will go eventually okay? it's a leap of faith... thanks for the insight!

Well said. Don't you think that one second being conscious, and touch your real nature, is superior to years of making money?:-) But of course, our social programming tells us otherwise.

if i were GOD who creates illusion of others, i would design as much fear and doubt on myself, when searching for truth. If it was any easier, what would be the point of the game i'm playing?;)

If you're going through hell, don't stop.

Mind will create all possible problems for us. I'm bored! I'm angry! I'm sad! I'm *insert whatever* And there's no "I" to begin with. Throw this guy, who says he's bored with existence, out of plane with parachute, and watch he's mental state change even faster than he falls. The master said it right, you are not the same every second, just wait, and your "boredom" and all "intellectual" concepts will pass, so it's not the problem at all.

@Alex_R i have Lucid dreams sometimes, what was your technique to get those more often? How long can you stay in LD? For me, it's like a brief moment, when I fly or try to have sex with someone, I get too excited, and the dream runs further without me being lucid. Does it require just more practice?

Spirituality was kept secret for a thousand of years, reserved for those, who were seeking it, for their whole lives. Buddhist monks sacrifice their entire lives, to meditate ( half day, every day!), help others, eat the right amount of food, don't get attached to money or any materialistic needs - all because they want to dissolve their egos. Did you ever think why? MAYBE because what happens, when spirituality is introduced to masses. People, after a few months of meditation and some psychedelics, think they are enlightened, and without of ego. Of course, it's another illusion, They replace their "non- enlightened ego", to the " enlightened-ego", and then shit happens. They still chase pleasure, and want to obtain "law of attraction" , because all they care about is their egoistic needs! Then we have tons of "new age" people, crazy theories, and they still don't realize, that others = them. So what's better for the world, to keep spiritual private, or make it more popular? In the end, what are the chances, that "common" west people, get proper enlightened, which is what east Buddhist struggle their whole life to achieve? Isn't it impossible? What is the point? Or maybe buddhist method is inefficient? What do to think?

Yamaoka Tesshu, as a young student of Zen, visited one master after another. He called upon Dokuon of Shokoku. Desiring to show his attainment, he said: "The mind, Buddha, and sentient beings, after all, do not exist. The true nature of phenomena is emptiness. There is no relaization, no delusion, no sage, no mediocrity. There is no giving and nothing to be received." Dokuon, who was smoking quietly, said nothing. Suddenly he whacked Yamaoka with his bamboo pipe. This made the youth quite angry. "If nothing exists," inquired Dokuon, "where did this anger come from?" If you are so alone, how some may slap your head? You are alone and with people at the same time. Isn't it necessary to co-op with llusion to stay sane within dream??

Isn't it because people are still attached to that idea of solipsism, which refers to their ego-mind? And when you say "you are god" they think you point on theirs ego, so that's why there's massive confusion? You may point just as well to the wall, saying "you are god" and still be right. There's no such thing as "no God", right? Seriously, put that video about solipsism already, you see on that forum there's that discussion literally every topic!!