Forza21

i don't feel it just yet, it's crazy hard to grasp, but somehow i feel like i've experienced it on some trips. But some of the insights just drop after. I'll use it too, from now on

yes i think that way too, but i think Leo often points it towards something more solipsistic, and confusing, which " we don't realize yet, because i Leo, am the most awaken human in history" don't you think ? Btw, we with my GF got used to it, and on recent trip we were staring at each other 20~~ minutes, and we were completely peace-full, that she's me, i'm her, and there's only THE Self - alone. So you can really get used to it. Thank you sir! That point really is the relief for me. I think my ego corrupted this idea... Thanks. But it's hard to know, when it's fear of truth, and when it's fear which my lead to psychotic break-down... yes, that phrasing really got me hard. Thank you sir!

Thank you @Inliytened1 i always appreciate your answers and dedication, and i have some of your explanation in my note pad I get it, it's just like in the dream. When i'm dreaming, everyone and everything is exactly the same. Waking up, is waking from that dream, and realize that you are a dreamer. It's fine too. I had one's that realization on DMT - i woke up and everyone went "puff" like giant imagination, i couldn't recall who am i, or from where i come from. But here's different. Leo often point to "no-one exist but you" , No one is conscious but you" and stuff like that, plus recent threat from guy, who were talking about "empty suits" and i think my ego corrupted those ideas, and i perceive it from my finite-self, and i'm afraid that my pov is the only one, and others are just "androids" or "empty suits". But if i'm a dream too, what's the difference? i don't know, it's confusing. Do you have any tips how to deal with that? In that case, do you still discourage me to trip?

I had about 15+ trips already, (3-4 times DMT) i've seen everyone as myself, i've seen that in my girlfriend, that she's me, i'm her, i had some bad trips, but it was manageable... but Leo's teaching are really freaking me out, especially that "empty suits" as others. It's fucked up, i think i really need further explanation, because the truth shouldn't be that painful... Buddha said it. Exactly. I saw the exact same thing when i was talking to my GF. I was her, she was me, we had 0 control. It's fine. But when Leo says that you are the only one, and others are "empty suits" it's fucking crazy...

it's not going to fade away any time soon, cause of the idea of solipsism. I have no idea how to co-op with it, and what's the truth. So i either deal with it or it's over with tripping. But it's so confusing... Rupert Spira talks something so much different than Leo.

I still struggle to those "alone" vs " with group" retreats. What happens for me, is when i'm alone, i'm not willing to go into hardcore- breakthrough meditation when it REALLY gets tough, and i've had enough. When the whole group is pushing forward, and you just can't leave, it's way easier not to give up. I'm talking about hardcore meditation retreats like 8h+ a day. I don't think i could do it alone.

i look forward to answers, it's going to be interesting. For my POV, gym bros are extremely ego-based, so i have no idea how to combine it. From what i've noticed, women are far more open to stuff like that. However, i'm too interested in both, gym and spirituality, so i wonder, are you planning to open a gym like that ? Or are you going to be a coach? Is it completely new idea, or have you seen it somewhere already?

so do you agree with OP that "others" are just " empty suits" ? or... We are both imaginary, there's only GOD. Only God's mind. "Forza21" is character in a dream, so are you. @Leo Gura what do you think about description from this post?

I think so too. "one at the time" sounds like self imposing limits, to something completely unlimited. That's the one part that doesn't make much sense to me, but i'm not saying it must be wrong.

is it possible to combine spiritual development with survival? It's like the grand joke of the universe. When you want to reach your true Self, you must give up all attachment to survival first. But then, when you want to keep growing spiritually, you need to keep yourself alive first. Without that, you're just going to die, or be homeless (in 1 world countries) which isn't great for your attitude and development either. All the marketing in today's society is about earning as much money as you can, and selling stuff people don't really need. It's unmoral mostly. How the fuck can you do both? Look at West-they have spirituality, but no material stuff. Look at East - we have material stuff, but not spirituality. Look at Connor Murphy (xD) he had a spiritual high, and now he's back to the old cringy stuff, because he ran out of money. I know he's not good example because he's immature, but still, It's sad. is it even possible to have both? How? How you do it?

wow! It's truly incredible, and your communicating skill is extraordinary too. So after near-death experience, did you still find a courage to explore some more on psychedelics? And how do you feel now? is there love, joy, or is it still traumatizing? I'm a seeker too, and i feel what i need to do, to reach that realization (DMT included of course), but I'm afraid of what's after that. ;-) Maybe it's better to stay unconscious and in a dream? What was better for you? Would you go back to the unknowing?

Yes you are right, but i would add... " do whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't hurt other people" do you agree? If i sell something useless, because i convicted other people that they need my product, but it's not really the case(it's how most of the marketing works) it's like cheating them. And I hurt none but me, Karma and the pain of that is real, and it's going back at me.

Honestly, for the first time, i feel like it resonate with me, and it makes sense ( as much as it can, because still, it's crazy.) Thank you! So basically, you agree to everything Leo says? After the realization, what did you feel? How did you deal with loneliness?

Thank you! So if i understand it correctly, in my reality right now, there's no other conscious being, it's only me, but at the same time, for example my mother, is the only conscious being in her's reality, so my current body is an avatar in her's reality, but it's still the same conscious in every possible time-line, which is GOD? Holy shit, how fucked up is that?

Good point...To be honest. Now i'm doing something that i like to do, but it's not all clear intentions, i feel a lot of ego it in. I'm scared to do something i hate for the rest of my life, even if it's moral. I have no idea how to get rid of that or what to do... Based on your answers, i can tell, you're going to be a great teacher! i wish you all the best, your replays always give me good insights, and i'm grateful for that! Very good insight, yes you are right. It's all God, only our mind gives us distinction. But still, the job we take, must be something in-line with us and moral, if not, it's going to hurt. Karma is real. Love!!!

Yes, you are right, but for me to have a balance it's like an impossible quest. I have time for that, right now, i would like to combine spirituality with survival. Good for you, congratulations! Is your career somehow connected to spirituality or is it something moral, but just for survival purpose?

ok, so how? How do you stay in touch with The Self, be honest to people around you, love them, have an open heart, and at the same time, co-op with this big marketing scheme that's going on? it's like all the marketing and making money stuff, make you ego-based, it's necessary to grab people attention. Otherwise, they won't even listen to you, or go to someone that gives them bigger promise. (which is a lie, but that's what their ego wants). How to stay honest and make money?

To be honest, Leo, he has neo-advaita talk, but your responses are even more confusing at times. Nahm points at something which is thought-attachment and it's waaay easier to grasp.. However: "There's only you" "Only you can awaken" "There's no Leo, it's only you. You are God" "You are not a part of god, you are entire fucking God" "No one else is God but you" "No one else exists, only you" etc. how is it different?

is it accurate? is it all theater of one actor, which is god, consciousness, you ?

at this point, this really sounds like mental masturbation. It's the same. There are no others, it's just an illusion, and puppet show, what's the difference?

I'd go to Thailand and i'd become a buddhist monk. Seriously, i consider it from time to time for myself. :-)

Notice, how everyone after DMT says basically the same thing? How come? Isn't it how science works?

i'm not super awake, and "better" than others. It's not the point. In total sense, they are me, and i'm them. But in the relative sense... I've had some psychedelics experiences, and i take at least 1h a day to meditate, and calm my self down. So, when I talk, I keep focus, and listen to what people want to say. But other people don't listen you at all. You can literally see thoughts running through them, every 5 seconds, and that's the maximum amount of time they can hear you, and then, they hear only their own thoughts, and they just wait (sometimes not, and they interrupt) to say something. You can actually see their reactions, and distractions all the time, it's like watching them on psychedelics, you simply observe their minds, and their actual being is hidden. It's so much different when you talk to people who actually take some time to meditate, who can listen to you. Who can stay present for more than 5 seconds. And yet, when you tell them about the importance of spiritually, they'll laugh you off. Especially your family. Yeah, it's annoying for me, that something that important it's reduce to simply laugh. How to deal with that?

Exactly !!! Sometimes i feel like Leo's community don't appreciate illusion at all. If you hate it so much, there's no wonder, often people here are suicidal.

Yes, right. But wouldn't it be enough just to meditate, take some psychedelics ones for a while, and have sense a little bit of this illusion? Why would i go so hardcore to basically see the end credits?