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This topic has been discussed countless times on this forum and in elsewhere. Leo too made 2 videos so far on the topic. and what stance do you take on the age old debate?

learn about the strategies of the mind game! books from robert green is a good start on that!

get them to the blue/orange stuff! The more capitalist version of religion and ideology is. Every blue ideology has a blue/orange version. The stage blue resents stage orange, but has trouble dealing with the borderline of orange and blue. this should be easy. take the catholic church and its riches. Take religious societies who are inclined towards stage orange . If u expose them to the correct version, the stage blue will have trouble separating their ideology from the more capitalist version. This will have them a taste of orange. a little exposure. Making tons of money for a self is evil in a typical stage blue culture. but for the religious institutions who are engaged in the business of religion making billions, it will be fine. This exposure will open them up a little more as i said. but I cannot grant that they will make it to orange unless they make a lil effort .cause the jump from blue to orange is a radical shift as i have been a stage blue thinker myself years back!

@Nivsch Yup! I think it is a trick question for environment to tamper with genetics. age old debate of nature vs. nurture and current research that i hv read point towards an impact through both means. genetics are determined 99% in our birth. we can still change the environmental factors and couter balance genetic expressions. I think that is what u mean here. correct me if i got it ass backwards. thanks for sharing ur insights brother. @BentonI too think that extreme cases are close to impossible to be dealt without meds under our current medical knowledge. I don't know where I would be without anti depressants in those depressed months. probably 6 feet below ground . and thank u soo much for sharing those kind words and experience. it would help anybody going through a difficult time. Perhaps in the future, we shall have modalities that summon spiritual wisdom to the tables. holistic medical treatment has a long way to go...

yup ! it was nahm and his fans who splintered the community,,XD the forum thing is his new development since he was demoted...he was not banned even. did not even defend his position and left .LOL

@Reciprocality @A Fellow Lighter a top notch quality discussion! we want more of them here!

something tells me ...THIS THREAD IS ABOUT TO BE LOCKED maybe leo is asleep...zzz.z.zz.zz. if not, it would have happened by now..

go ahead and tell that to ur momma so u can pick another real fight! JK I didn't mean to hurt ya but, instead if trying to fix others for being masculine or too unfriendly, why not fix urself honey!<3

farewells from the leaving users; MEGATHREAD

valid points dude! @Preety_India i don't know what she expects from a journal when all her journals are on full public display here. and people do read. it is why it is set to public. if somebody wants a personal journal, they can find thousands of alternatives to that other than wasting server space . I pretty much respect preety and she has a good heart . even this thread seems like a attention seeking post of urs.

@Preety_India LOL..I have seen that u have been active on the forum almost half of the day . i don't know if u leave it on or something though. so,i would be surprised if u were not bored. as the defending champion for the highest post count on the forum after Leo, i see u have been here for yrs. and one or two cold responses does not mean that everyone is bad. plus, remember this is just an online forum LOL. so it is rare for real world friendships and interactions to happen in forums . and people are free to ditch ideas and argue in any good forum and spiritual communities too have their defined limits.

whoa... awesome mate! first hand experience here ! <3

@PepperBlossoms I watched the video and it was quite a radical one! but how would u study epistemology when there are paranoid delusions of soviets chasing you and hallucinations run ur day. umm,I think u wll see enough hallucinations without LSD or DMT if it was Schizophrenia and what's ur take on that mate? yup! i initially defined it as a one that we've got for life. BTW, Do u really mean it when u say that u already have many of those illnesses? what makes u say that? medications only suppress the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. they do not heal per se. negative symptoms will probably still be there if my research is correct. @Nivschtrue! epi-genetic contributions can often be there for the onset of many conditions. but there still are unlucky ones who are born with altered brain structures where our technology is stone age in treating them. Epi- genetics mostly affect in the childhood upbringing ig but, do u believe that environment changes can epi-genetically turn the switch off as well by the adult years? @zurew a super stage yellow answer. loved it! thank u all for ur replies! it really will help anybody going through a traumatic episode after a diagnosis. some may even be rethinking life. I too am at a point where i doubt whether I'm going insane or not.

what would u guys do if u suddenly got diagnosed with a terminal mental illness like psychosis ( schizophrenia)? what 'd ur reaction be? how will u cope with it?

damn bro! +1 sounds like some new age thing to me. anyways, we know sunning water won't change the molecular structure with basic chemistry. but, we don't know yet if there a spiritual component that we can't yet perceive. however, i'm more inclined to think it as a placebo. but my dad also had a computer that switches on only after it is kept a few hours in the sun. LOL.... it really works for some reason . this thing runs on windows 98 or something i guess and sun charged computer too exist after all... see, sun cleansing could be REAL. sun in action baby!