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@machinegun I'd sign up to government assisted suicide and never reincarnate fuck humanity fucking disgusting

I don’t even know how to say this right, but it’s been sitting in my chest all fkn day. Australia doesn’t feel like it represents anyone. Not me. Not the people like me. Not even the Aboriginals, and this was their land first. Like who the fuck is this government really for? I’m not talking about laws or politics or policies. I’m talking about identity. A sense of place. The vibe of walking around and feeling like this country gets you — like it sees you, backs you, holds your voice. But nah. What we got now is just some bland, fake-ass system trying to turn everyone into quiet little consumers. Work. Pay rent. Get taxed. Scroll your phone. Watch your culture get melted down to TikToks and junk ads. Where the fuck is the soul? And if you do speak up or feel like you don’t belong, they’ll just label you bitter. Or racist. Or lazy. Or broken. Or mentally ill. Anything but actually hearing what the fuck you’re trying to say. Like I’m expected to work a minimum wage job that barely keeps me alive, spend half my pay on fuel just to get there, get taxed on that fuel, and still be grateful I have a car and not sleeping in a ditch. But at the same time, this same system brings in a bunch of people from other countries — not against them, I get it — but they’re willing to work these shitty jobs and now I’m just some “ungrateful colonist” because I’m burnt out? How can I be a colonist in a land I was born in and still not feel like I even have a place in it? And don’t even get me started on the Aboriginals — their whole damn culture got ripped out, buried, replaced with shopping centres and concrete and “sorry speeches” that don’t change shit. The real dreaming? The songlines? The spirits of this land? Gone unless you go looking for it. And even then, it’s all fragmented. It’s like the system wiped everyone clean and left no one with a real home. Not the old world. Not the new. Not the ones who were here before. Not the ones born into it. Not the ones who just got off the plane. No culture. No tribe. No meaning. Just “get back to work, citizen.” I’m not trying to start some deep intellectual debate. I’m not political. I’m just saying what I feel. And what I feel is — this place doesn’t feel like anybody’s anymore. And no one’s even allowed to talk about it.

Hey everyone, People think meaning is this sacred personal truth, like it comes from some deep part of their soul, some unique essence inside them. But most of the time, you didn’t even choose what you find meaningful. You didn’t choose your biology, you didn’t choose your upbringing, you didn’t choose your language, your social norms, your culture, your childhood experiences, your genetics, your traumas, your cartoons, your rewards, your punishments. All of those things shape what feels meaningful to you, long before you had the ability to think for yourself. Like when you look at a cloud and it briefly looks like a duck. You don't choose that. Your mind just throws the image at you. That’s your brain projecting familiar patterns onto chaos. It’s the same with meaning. You're constantly seeing ducks where there are no ducks. You’re seeing love where there isn’t love. You’re seeing hope where there is none. You’re layering your own conditioned ideas onto a reality that’s not doing anything but existing. Take dating. How many times have you seen someone attractive in public and your brain immediately starts spinning—maybe they like me, maybe we’ll date, maybe we’ll fall in love, maybe we’ll have kids. Your mind constructs an entire fantasy out of thin air before they even make eye contact. Sometimes they don’t even look at you, let alone reflect any of that fantasy back. And yet, the meaning felt real. That imagined connection felt real. That pull, that longing, that story of “maybe this will change my life.” But it's not real. It’s just you, again, projecting meaning onto nothing, and the universe staying completely silent in return. You want life to respond. You want life to say “yes.” But it doesn’t. It never had to. It’s not broken—it just never made the promise in the first place. You did. Same goes for school. You’re told to study, get good grades, work hard. Why? So you can get a job, find a partner, buy a house, feel good about yourself? Most of that either doesn’t happen, or if it does, it doesn't feel like what you expected. The job becomes a cage. The partner becomes a stranger. The house is just walls. And you sit there wondering what went wrong, when in truth, the whole thing was a script written before you even got to choose your lines. You're chasing meanings that were handed to you like a brochure, not because you chose them, but because you didn’t know there were other options. Even the idea of having children is often just a coping mechanism. People say they want to give life, build a legacy, pass on what matters. But what they’re really doing is trying to inject meaning into a life that already feels hollow. “Maybe if I have a kid, it’ll matter. Maybe then I’ll feel something again.” But what happens when the kid grows up and doesn’t share your values? You wanted them to become a soldier and they decide to join a rock band. You wanted to pass down your culture, but they want to invent their own. You expected a ripple effect, but they didn’t even notice the stone you threw. They’re free to become whatever they want, which means they’re free to ignore everything you tried to hand them. Your meaning doesn’t pass down automatically. There’s no guarantee. And when you die, that meaning dies with you. You’ll be forgotten. Not in a thousand years. In two generations. Most people can’t name their great-grandfather. Not his birthday. Not his favorite song. Not the color of his eyes. He lived a whole life, loved, suffered, tried his best. And now? Gone. Dust. If you don’t have kids, you’re not even a footnote. And even if you do, it won’t take long before your name fades from memory. That’s the truth. You’re not a legacy. You’re not a myth. You’re a blip. And I don’t even buy the “your actions ripple out through the cosmos” thing. Because ripple into what? You can hurt someone and change their life forever. That’s a ripple. But does that mean it was good? No. It’s just motion. Just cause and effect. The universe isn’t morally grading your impact. It doesn’t care what kind of pebble you are. You could spend your whole life building something beautiful, and one earthquake can destroy it in five seconds. Or someone else shows up and turns it into something you never intended. Meaning doesn’t flow cleanly. It collides. It mutates. It disappears. This is the part most people can’t stomach: the universe is indifferent. It doesn’t hate you, it doesn’t love you, it doesn’t owe you clarity, it doesn’t reflect your intention back at you. You can scream your heart into the sky and it won’t echo. That’s not a bug. That’s how it works. And yet we keep narrating over it, keep pretending that our little projects and relationships and stories are adding up to something. Like if we just keep busy enough, the silence won’t catch up to us. But it does. It always does. And what’s wild is that even that realization can become another meaning project. “Ah, yes, now I’ve transcended meaning. Now I really get it.” But that’s just another duck in the cloud. Just another layer. So no, I don’t think meaning is sacred. I think it’s reflex. I think it’s survival instinct. I think it’s addiction. And I think most of it was planted in us by things we never chose. And maybe the only honest move is to admit that and stop pretending otherwise.

@chess_king @Elliott Yeah I hear what you're saying, ChessKing, and I’m not against kindness — but I’m not gonna romanticize it either. Especially not the kind people perform after the damage has already been done. And TribeSolution — that whole “we need to rebuild the tribe” thing might sound noble, but let’s be honest. Most support roles are paid guilt. I do disability work. I’m kind on the job, I show up, I care. But it's still guilt-driven. Guilt for how far the world isn’t kind. We’re paid to offer what the system stripped away. That’s not transcendent. It’s survival. It’s patching holes in a sinking boat. People meditate to escape, not because they’ve transcended anything. I’ve tried it. But like Alan Watts said — it’s medicine, not a lifestyle. And even then, it’s just temporary relief. A break from the noise. The melancholy always returns when the room goes quiet again. Peace? If you ever really felt it, like truly deep down peace, I think it’d dissolve the human illusion entirely. And I’m not sure that’s possible without death. So what does that leave us with? Kindness is just what people do when they can’t face the full weight of cruelty they’ve caused or been complicit in. Or worse — when they want to believe they’re good without ever risking anything. So yeah, we survive. We do our part. But let’s not pretend this is a fair trade.

@chess_king I’ve felt that void every day — not just in tragedy, but in the monotony. It’s not just fear of death. It’s waking up in a world where kindness is currency and meanness is default. Where even your injuries, your grief, your soul's collapse are met with polite silence unless you’re “useful” again. You ask if I could be kind to myself when I’m injured or grieving. But that presumes I live in a system that allows self-kindness to exist without being punished for it. Try being broke, humiliated, rejected, invisible — and see how long kindness lasts. Even from yourself. It doesn’t show up like a guardian angel. It starves. I’m not saying there’s never softness in the world. But if you have to suffer just to discover it, that’s not a foundation. That’s a reaction. And here’s the part no one talks about: Most “kindness” isn’t rooted in compassion. It’s rooted in guilt. You help the elderly, the disabled, the broken, not because you’re pure — but because something in them reminds you of your own fragility. You’re fluffing up the pillows of someone else’s pain because you hope someone will fluff yours when the time comes. It’s not love. It’s bargaining. Kindness is PR for your conscience. Meanness is the actual baseline. I don’t trust what people do out of guilt. I trust what they do when there's nothing to gain. And that… is rare.

People pretend kindness is real. But most of the time, it’s just a performance to cover up how mean life actually is underneath. If someone’s ever been cruel or humiliating to you, and then later comes around with some fake “nice” gesture? That’s not healing. That’s them trying to scrub off their guilt — because deep down they know they damaged you. It’s not love. It’s PR. It’s insult layered on top of injury. Most “kindness” is conditional anyway. It only exists as long as you give something back — attention, validation, compliance. The second you stop playing their game, the warmth disappears and the meanness kicks in. That’s the real them. Meanness is guaranteed. Kindness is a fragile act — and you have to earn it like some circus animal jumping through hoops. And here’s the kicker: If kindness were real — like actually embedded into people — then why do women need so much validation from everyone all the time? Why are Instagram likes, compliments, praise, attention — why are those things so sought after? It’s because deep down, everyone knows: kindness doesn’t come for free. You have to market yourself. You have to win it. If kindness was the default, validation wouldn’t be necessary. But it is — because underneath all the smiling, most people are just waiting for an excuse to turn mean.

@Luke W I’ve tried it all. I’ve worked different jobs — warehouses, delivery runs, cleaning — slaving away at meaningless crap that never amounted to anything. I tried running my own business for years; it failed. I’ve been writing novels all my life — hundreds of thousands of words — and no one reads them. I’ve watched every effort dissolve into dust. My dad died suicidal in 2019 after losing everything to a divorce. My parents were divorced. Thirty grand if my savings disappeared through Mum’s solicitor to pay his debts — money I barely remembered in my grief. My best friend turned schizo, burned through our business money on drugs, left me betrayed and broke. I’ve been homeless, isolated, threatened by housemates, abused, trapped in mouldy rooms. I’ve lived in poverty so long that “survival” just means staring at the wall, chain‑smoking, pacing through another day. Sobriety is torture. Sex doesn’t exist for me — I’m a virgin watching hookup culture thrive all around me, porn the only outlet for energy I can’t shut off. I hate the economy. I hate people working dumb jobs just to exist another day. The world is run by money, scams, algorithms, fake smiles. Sobriety, boredom, bills, taxes, lies. My life is proof that trying doesn’t always mean progress. I’ve seen what happens when you keep pushing: you just get older, poorer, uglier, sicker, and more invisible. This planet doesn’t reward effort; it rewards luck and manipulation. Everything feels interchangeable — jobs, faces, lives. The whole thing’s a lightning‑clap blip of pointless consciousness between birth and decay. I’ve lived enough to know the system won’t let you die with dignity, but it’ll let you rot while pretending that’s “hope."

If the Stoics Had Been Heard Had Seneca, Epictetus, and later Hume been taken seriously, western civilisation might have developed a culture of rational compassion instead of moral fear. Their insight—that autonomy over death completes autonomy over life—was suppressed by religious authority and political control. If their ideas had taken root, societies might have created humane systems that honoured voluntary death while also attacking its causes: poverty, bondage, and the meaningless suffering of war. Instead, centuries of doctrine taught people to endure misery in the name of obedience, multiplying despair rather than healing it. A civilisation built on the Stoic principle would not worship longevity; it would cultivate dignity, ensuring that no one is forced to outlive their own humanity.

The Argument for the Rightful Exit If reason grants us the ability to reflect on existence, it must also grant us the right to end it. The Stoics—Seneca, Epictetus, and later Marcus Aurelius—saw life as a loan, not a possession; returning it, when its purpose or dignity fades, is not sin but wisdom. David Hume, writing in the 18th century, argued that suicide violates no divine or moral law: it harms neither God nor society if one’s existence has ceased to benefit either. From that lineage comes the claim that civilization itself is incomplete until it acknowledges this right. Just as we developed medicine to prolong life, reason demands medicine to end it peacefully. A synthesized, humane compound—a painless, deliberate “exit”—should be as accessible as anesthetic, under the same reverence we give to birth, surgery, or sleep. Such an invention would not glorify death; it would dignify choice. It would recognize that the will to die, when born of lucidity, is not madness but metaphysical agency—the highest form of ownership over the self.

@Ramasta9 your response was intellectual and wise I have to point this out sorry if I don't respond to you directly but I can maybe get around to it ... I'm going to make a further point to hopefully shift humanity into a new way of living with my points about each individual to have the right to choose their own death ... Which is taboo but honestly it makes more sense I think over it ...

@ted73104 seriously I knew last night someone would test my willingness on this while meditating 100 percent id walk into the clinic and drink it and go through with it 100 percent would do

@ted73104 I'll sign up for government assisted suicide today if possible test me I'll drink their concoction I'm out

@ted73104 My answer to Camus question is yes to suicide as the fundamental question before anything else, I'm ready. Yet he won the nobel prize and there is no talk beyond a yes only the no to rebel against life but I'm not going to rebel against an indifferent void that leaves me for interchangeable dust in the end. I personally disagree with life it's BS the whole set up is schitzophrenic madness or as Camus casually calls it "Absurdism". And no the options for a painless death don't seem readily available but I should have the right to exit.

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This is a good question! Oh wait this is my own post ... I'm still ready for government assisted suicide I really have no idea why systems are in place to force people to remain alive like I can't talk to literally no one who respects my decision I want to die, literally people revert to forcing me to remain surviving even if it means hospitalization, forced medications and being labelled mentally deranged. I literally answer Camus number one question before all other philosophical inquiries as to whether or not to commit suicide and my answer is yes suicide is the answer for me personally but after that nothing else with actual assisted methods or respect for such choices - Like what am I supposed to do risk a do it yourself setup and risk botching it like how are you supposed to be born with no fucking exit - fuck that - There are lives out there easily visible that shouldn't be happening like slavery in ancient Rome for example, some cosmic force should have interviewed and prevented that shit, hopefully I don't die and spawn into worse of circumstances - To be born is essentially schitzophrenia madness like god is sadistic and doesn't know itself and a glitching shitty A.I. - To even be alive is madness, seriously, so in other words Camus calls it "Absurdism" which in other words is essentially schitzophrenia madness

Does Leo in this thread answer about reincarnation? I think he says there exists consciousness that doesn't need form that's what I'll be doing next if free will also exists I won't be reincarnating

Especially no reincarnation - No to reincarnation nope no no no no I do not want reincarnation please god

@Luke W I don’t want to be alive. I didn’t ask to be born, and I don’t see any point in being here. I don’t care about working, paying bills, chasing relationships, or playing along with this system. I don’t want a future, I don’t want to reincarnate, and I don’t want to keep repeating this cycle of existence. People keep telling me to ‘get help’ or ‘find purpose,’ but it feels like they don’t understand — I’m not looking for a better job, a girlfriend, or a new hobby. I’m saying I don’t want to exist at all. I don’t want spiritual lessons, I don’t want to “grow from pain.” I just want out — permanently. I believe life is overrated, forced upon us without consent, and full of pointless suffering. I’m anti-natalist because I don’t think anyone should be dragged into existence just to struggle, work, suffer, and die. I don’t care about human evolution, society, or doing my part. I just want an exit — a real choice to stop existing. But that doesn’t exist legally. You’re forced to stay alive, forced into survival, forced into jobs, bills, expectations. And if you refuse, you just get labeled broken or mentally ill. Why is it illegal to opt out peacefully? Why is it acceptable to force people to stay alive against their will?

There’s something deeply twisted in the social expectation that men should surrender themselves in relationships — to yield their sovereignty, to cater, to open themselves up to a stranger and call it love. I’m not talking about partnership built on mutual power. I’m talking about the modern conditioning that frames male fulfillment as the act of giving up the very core of what makes him independent — his throne, his command post, his edge. Look closely. The word surrender is often wrapped in romance — “sweet surrender,” from man and who is to receive the special treatments and privileges as "serenade"? Women are on the receiving end of that a man surrender of resources, time, status, and sovereignty to be approved by a woman sexually. Who gets the luxury of receiving the surrendered masculine? It’s not him. It’s often someone who hasn’t earned that place — a stranger who isn’t stronger, wiser, or more spiritually advanced than him. Why should a man surrender to someone than himself — just because society has baked it into the script of dating and intimacy? It’s not noble. It’s not divine. It’s survival suicide. You’re literally training your nervous system to prioritize the survival of another over your own — and that’s not romantic, it’s pathological. Sovereignty isn’t coldness. It’s clarity. It’s the refusal to give your energy to a system that benefits from your collapse. If you’re not building your kingdom — spiritual, mental, physical — you’re being asked to decorate someone else’s. For me, the deeper I go into sovereignty, the more allergic I become to emotional contracts disguised as spiritual growth. If a woman expects me to give up my edge to make her feel safe, I’m out. That doesn’t mean I’m incapable of love. It means I value self-respect over validation, clarity over codependence, and spiritual autonomy over social conformity

Dude I've tried quitting weed bro and porn instead I've become a cyborg who will date AI and never get a girlfriend I mean if AI girlfriends become a thing man like to their fullest I'll be set and with the weed I think I have a symbiosis to it like we're one of the same so I gave up trying to quit - because who would you be if you quit all your habits? You'll still grow old, you still might get an accident and lose a limb and anything could still happen whether you have your habits or not - so what I'm personally wondering with you is ... Is it really that serious to quit? I mean porn for example I've been hooked since 16 I know no fap I know hook up culture and missing out I know the pain and trying to quit just hurts even more and there is also this idea who would I have been if I didn't have those habits well you might be even more frustrated and the same not a millionaire not dancing on water ... If you got rid of all your negative habits and became a pure saint you'd probably be boring and intolerable

Wake up. The world isn’t broken—it’s working exactly as intended. The wealthy, corporations, and governments have engineered a system where survival itself is a struggle. Rent for a tiny room? Soon $300 a week. Coffee? A basic necessity becoming a luxury. Food? Shrinkflation. Fuel? Through the roof. And wages? Bare minimum, leaving ordinary people scrambling just to get by. Meanwhile, elites manipulate politics and society for their gain. Netanyahu, billion-dollar bailouts, media manipulation, social media control—all while ordinary people are gaslit, surveilled, and told to “be happy” while owning nothing. Resist, and you’re labeled “delusional” or “broken.” Comply, and you’re trapped in a life engineered for exploitation and humiliation. Every rising price, every wage freeze, every rule designed to favor the powerful—it’s intentional. It’s systematic. Cigarettes, fuel, rent—all engineered to keep us on the edge. And the rich? They hoard wealth, manipulate media, lobby governments, and exploit loopholes while the rest of us struggle. Corruption isn’t hidden—it’s blatant. From Netanyahu bending the West to his will, to billion-dollar bailouts, Epstein’s shadow over media and politics, to governments controlling narratives, censoring dissent, and stripping freedom of speech—the ordinary person is trapped. If we rebel, we’re “broken,” “criminal,” or “delusional.” If we comply, we’re still trapped—starving, surveilled, forced to accept suffering as normal. There’s no escape, only rules that serve the powerful while keeping us weak. This is deliberate. It’s engineered. And recognizing it doesn’t make you broken—it makes you human. Humanity deserves clarity, freedom, and the ability to question the system without punishment. The illusion is over. The system is rigged.

@Basman A friend tried to drag me into that world — cocaine, and things I didn’t even know had names. I stayed out. He didn’t. He idolized The Wolf of Wall Street’s excesses while I kept making, creating, producing. What’s left of him isn’t pretty.

@Basman Haha, yeah, maybe it sounds addicted. But it’s less about craving and more about keeping my sanity and energy for work that literally keeps me from being homeless. Coffee isn’t a luxury here—it’s survival fuel. I'd point out that if coffee were truly as hard to quit as heroin, it wouldn’t be commercially sold—it’d be a banned drug. Also, maybe Leo should put a “16+” entry requirement on this forum—some of these debates get intense fast.

I’m talking about a system that forces people into dead‑end jobs for rigged money just to survive. Without this system, most of us wouldn’t even be alive — we’d be malnourished, with bad teeth, infections, and dead within a few years. If a system is broken but still the only thing keeping you alive, how is that something to “be grateful” for? Maybe I wouldn’t even be here without medical care. Maybe by nature’s standard, I was “supposed” to be dead already — but I’m here, fighting to survive in a rigged game.

@Basman Coffee isn’t a luxury for me — it’s a basic pick‑me‑up so I can keep grinding through work every day just to survive and avoid ending up homeless. If I had to, sure, I’d cut it, but it’s not like I’m splurging on yachts. It’s a drink, not a vacation home. I’ve been scrimping for months, money’s been tight, I can’t even afford a jar for a few days, and I’ve already cut back on almost everything else — even quit tobacco. But coffee for my work? Come on, that’s one I need.