Yousif

Apologizes to everyone for getting off topic.

I don’t know how knowledgeable you are about non-duality, you seem to forget that there are no distractions between self and other, pointing fingers doesn’t help you, the true YOU includes the muslims and the jews and everyone and everything that you might not like, so if you finger point at anyone or anything and you have any judgment or criticism towards it, you’re only judging and criticizing yourself.

Basically sums up what I’ve been trying to say

The highest Truth is getting rid of all ideologies, if you can do that l, even looking at your shit inside the toilet seat can potentially cause an awakening. so it doesn’t matter islam, christianity, Buddhism, they all have different methods of realizing the one. I myself had awakeningings literally reading the words of jesus, Mohammed, islam isn’t bad neither are the people that follow it, they’re poor in these countries, they lack critical thinking therefore they’re easily brain washed to do the dirty works of militia groups paid by people that only care about their political positions and power. in the end nobody does anything evil because they’re evil, they’re just ignorant, and when they do evil things, they actually think they’re doing the right thing. In muslim countries they’re so poor and underdeveloped most of them are run by a theocracy, which means that the religion of that nation is the law, which means anything that the verses say is the law for example:- if that country that was run by a theocracy follow the Christian faith, a christian terrorist will emerge and starts killing, raping, stealing, and doing all kings of evil, and he would justify it by saying that god or the law said that I will be forgiven no matter what so why not do whatever the fuck I want? this is how easy these teachings can be corrupted.

They learned their mysticism through the teachings of the Quran and Mohammed, it’s a matter of misinterpretation of what is being said, you act as if you understand the religion of islam fully, it’s been a minute since I watched it but maybe Leo’s video on islam can help you.

And by god you mean Jesus and no one else right? Because that’s what ALL Christians believe today, and if you tell them you’re good you’re gonna be called crazy. Do you not see how problematic this can be, imagine committing a crime and then you go tell the police that had arrested you that, they should forgive you because god or Jesus did. this is how the those high teachings gets corrupted in religions, not just islam, in christianity and other faiths, you’re cheery picking the mis interpretation of islam by people, but people do they same thing with other faiths but I don’t see you mentioning it but when I do you over look it. Maybe you have something in your heart against muslims, that’s something to work on, there are not all that bad, I suggest you befriend some and you’ll come to see that I am right.

Gabriel came down to Mohammed while he was in a cave. Gabriel said ( Read: In the Name of your Lord, who created. Created man from a clinging clot,Read: And your Lord is the Most Generous, He Who taught by the pen, Taught man what he never knew. (Surah Al-‘Alaq) This says that the angel Gabriel is the one who said all that, not god. and this verse was the beginning of Mohammed’s prophecy if you ask any muslim religious sheikh of the meaning of that verse above, they’ll tell you Gabriel or god magically taught Mohammed reading and writing as in school. if you ask me I’ll tell you that by read he was referring to a mystical vision like reading the reality of the situation or reality with samadhi or an awakening. the sufi’s can see it , I can see it, but the majority does not. also the Quran is a collection of revelations of Mohammed, he nor god wrote it down, some khalifa or ruler after Mohammed died collected all of the things that he said. Most Muslims are ignorant to these facts. I see the teachings of the quran no different from the teachings from the bible when I read both, and they’re both ancient and modern societies can’t be run by neither, but they both contain timeless teachings of jesus and Mohammed, you simply gotta have the right understanding and vision to get what they’re referring to. don’t forget that the Christians think that jesus is the only god form that existed, and that the bible is the word of god even tho it’s the collection of the teachings of jesus just like the Quran, we know jesus is one of many Buddha’s or realized beings, although the Christians seem to think otherwise.

You’re forgetting about the sufi mystics, although they are realized, they are still sunni muslims, the problem with religions is that no one can interpret their teachings correctly but enlighten beings, if you’re blind I can never describe the color blue to you, it’s the problem we keep talking about of direct experience.

I can’t verify the validity of the Quran, it was written after Mohammed died, but like I said Mohammed, jesus, moses those guys knew what it’s all about, not their followers nowadays, even in Christianity, they teachings may be correct, but they’re differently misunderstood. There are also verses from the bible that can be seen as old fashioned and harsh like this one:- Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. This refers to the idea of eternal damnation which also exists in christianity. if you gonna talk about what jesus said like, forgiveness, and love your enemies go look up quotes of Mohammed You’ll see that they’re very smilier the bible also was used as a constitution for that time and it simply does not work in the present time. maybe for moral code purposes for people that aren’t ready for the next stage of development it will.

Religions nowadays function as moral codes alongside the law of government to ensure moral behavior in that particular culture, it has nothing to do with spirituality and those that practice it nowadays when they do it, they do it as if it’s a duty to be fulfilled, a job that you have to do so you eat, not because you’re passionate about it, so mystical experiences are very rare.

I’m gonna speak for myself and from where I’m at right now, after I had mystical experiences , I am able to see God/allah/ consciousness, whatever you want to call it in basically all religions, I see Mohammad like I see jesus, like I see moses, like I see the budda, but the problem is if you buy into one of them, you have to believe they’re the only true one and that’s what most people that follow a particular religion feel and/or think, and from that all kinds of “evil” emerges, to me different religions are like different types of food or culture, no one food or culture is the chosen one, you can realize god through a religion or without a religion it doesn’t really matter, but why limit yourself to one when you can practice/experiment with all?? most believers of islam, christianity, judaism believe they have the one true religion and that’s problematic, but once you see the similarities between them, a doubt will emerge which is “ what makes my religion more true than all the others” and if you’re true with yourself you’ll realize you only say your religion is true because you were born into it and everyone you speak to and know follow it, stage blue people’s faith will always fail because they do not have a mystical experience that can back up what they believe in , Mohammed did, but the majority of his followers today did not, probably % 95, same thing with jesus/moses and their followers, most religions turned into culture traditions and themes, and not about discovering that you’re god which is what Mohammed,jesus, moses etc tried to tell you.

An interesting little story that might explain this, and I know this is off topic, about 9 years ago when I was a Muslim I wasn’t really religious and didn’t care much about it it was more about the culture than the actual practice and also I was in my teens back then, but as I started connecting the dots I saw so many contradictions within islam and whitin people that preach and practice it and when I tried to have a conversation with them they just look at me as if I was evil for questioning them and their authority, they just wanted people to blindly believe, they’ll tell you, “ you don’t have enough faith” so you try to have faith but it’s ungrounded unlike if you had a mystical experience and therefore your faith is just a belief, you just buy into a story and so you start studying other religions and you realize they have more stories just different ones and you start to wonder which one is the true faith? If any. Then you start looking into science and slowly turn into an agnostic or an atheist. long story short, before you let something go, people usually hang on to it even tighter until it dissolves into nothing because in the end it was just a concept they bought into, an illusion mistaken for reality. that explains to me why people such as muslims started to hang tighter to their faith and teachings stronger than before, that usually happens before you jump from one stage of the spiral to another.

I mean if you think about it, men wants very feminine submissive women and in order to get that these women have to be spoiled and treated like princesses and queens, on the other hand if you want strong and dependable men, you have to be rough with them both mentally and physically so they grow up to be tough and masculine, if you wanna be treated like a woman fine but you’ll become soft and feminine and that’s cool if its what you want but if you want to be a masculine man you gonna have to toughen up and that’s just how it is.

Listening to videos/ lectures from Leo Gura ,Alan Watts,Ram Dass, Sadhguru does it for me, dancing just letting the body dance to the music however it wants without judgement, walking for the sake of walking, I guess that’s walking meditation, being very active physically gives me that mental clarity and allows me to be able to sit and enjoy silence, handling my worldly affairs consciously like the way I work and live my life allows me to be more conscious, having integrity, maturity, patience, accepting things as they are and even if I couldn’t accept them I would have to accept not accepting them, that allows me to stay conscious, it’s a lifestyle, you can’t just sit and do one thing one time and expect to see results, it’s like you go to the gym once and expect to be any good at lifting or look like Arnold, same thing applies to living consciously. So it also takes time and effort, You work at being conscious and the more understanding,integration, capacity for being/staying conscious you have, the more conscious you will be.

That’s why they invented the courtroom

Like I said, this is war and that’s what happens in war, and the killing is on both sides, and by not taking a side I mean I’m not choosing a side that I like, I’m taking the side of oppressed rather than the oppressor when mommy and daddy start fighting, I’m not gonna take the side of the one I like, I’m gonna take the side of the wronged.

I’m using my judgment like a judge in a court room, you listen to both sides and then decide which side wronged the other, just because it seems like I’m taking sides doesn’t mean I want that side to win the case. you’re getting lost in the details, try to see the bigger picture.

That’s how the Palestinians would justify it, also women and children are killed/ being killed on both sides, this is war, that’s what happens in war, now who started this war from the very beginning, I’m not taking sides, I’m trying to be unbiased here, you seem to overlook the root of the problem and not confront the Israel’s that this whole this land belong to us is just bullshit, you will have a clearer picture of the situation if you’re unbiased, and since you’re in this forum that belongs to a person that’s always talking about us not seeing the truth simply because we’re too biased, well this is an example of it.

I’m gonna continue with my lil analogy, how do you think the owner of the house would react to the person taking over his home?? you have to solve the problem from its roots, none of this would’ve happened if that person never took over someone’s property. All I can say is killing people who had nothing to do with it is unjustifiable, but you have to blame the person that brought them to the “ house” or this territory in the first place knowing that taking over the house is going to cause conflict for years and was willing to take that risk, so who’s to blame I ask?

Imagine liking a house so much that you think god chose it for you, so you kick the owners ass, temporarily give them the basement until you can slowly get rid of them out of the house completely, so you’re focused on that, and at the same time the neighborhood in which this house exists in is full of people that genuinely dislikes you, despite all of that, you still think that this house is what god chose for you because it’s written somewhere that it is, or however you arrived to this absurd conclusion. A different painting of this Israeli/ Palestinian conflict.

@The0Self you don’t necessarily need psychedelics for god realization

@Giulio Bevilacqua I had a similar experience with kundalini I couldn’t sleep for many nights and I had to work with it, the anxiety was unbearable but I surrendered to it anyway it went on for week or months I can’t exactly remember but I took it long enough until my ego completely collapsed and I entered non-duality and I realized I am god through it, it’s not easy surrounding to it since I felt like I’m in danger 24/7 for a while, but it was the only think I was able to do and I remember repeating to myself that all of this is absolute goodness and perfection for weeks and months until the magic ? happened and I became the god head and oneness, try to surrender and accept it as much as u can is my advice.

@Giulio Bevilacqua I would suggest you let go to the experience and to stop thinking about it, just trust it and it will take care of itself.

@happyhappy I don’t think so but thanks a lot bro!

There’s consciousness aka god, dreaming up reality and the universe, dreaming up you, it is made out of nothing, at the same time it is everything since nothing/everything is a duality, there’s something rather than nothing simply because there’s no difference between the 2 and god simply ising/being itself, the substance of everything that exists is purely imaginary, not only physical objects but everything such as time, space, death, sensation, consciousness has certain qualities to it such as, Goodness as an absolute goodness, Love, selflessness, intelligence, omniscience,omnipotence,omni present, I have realized all of those facets for myself and I also feel as leo that I have reached a point of no return, before I got to this point I had to face madness, all my fears basically, Great grief, nihilism, and solipsism,I also felt like I was dying before I surrendered, I become aware of oneness, everyone is me, I am everyone, I was walking around for a few weeks or months I can’t recall exactly since my sense of time was long gone I felt eternal, there was so much love it was hurting my body I became very weak and fragile even tho I was young (20) and was lifting weights, I’ve had so many awakenings and realizations I can’t tell u how many exactly, I experienced channeling with god before I realized I was god, I had experienced telepathy with Leo I was watching one of his videos laughing the whole time because I was completely conscious of me talking to me it was insanely incredible, I was able to tap into collective consciousness I can not believe how leo is able to find words for it, as of right now I am very peaceful, very happy %99 of the time,I am back into the relative realm But I can’t forget the things I realized so basically everything is meaningless, everyone is me, there’s nothing to do, but I don’t need anything I’m happy just being.